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		By: D. L.		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/03/11/more-poop-on-sewer-plant/#comment-969</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of my relatives worked for the Operations Div. of PW for years. The Ops. Div. is by far the largest Div. in PW and has had the same manager since the early 90&#039;s.  All of the &quot;mid-level&quot; managers mentioned in connection with the poop farm and Hidden Springs work for the Ops. manager. In my opinion, this man would have to be truly ignorant, really stupid, or both, to not be completely aware of these &quot;goings on&quot;.  Frankly, I don&#039;t believe that he is either the former or the latter and as far I have seen, is &quot;in it&quot; up to his neck. As far as the lack of response from HR goes, this same Ops. manager has, for some reason, a tremendous amount of &quot;clout&quot; at HR and no &quot;good&quot; HR employee would cross swords with him. My suggestion is, &quot;Cut off the head (of Ops.) and the rest of the snake dies.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my relatives worked for the Operations Div. of PW for years. The Ops. Div. is by far the largest Div. in PW and has had the same manager since the early 90&#8217;s.  All of the &#8220;mid-level&#8221; managers mentioned in connection with the poop farm and Hidden Springs work for the Ops. manager. In my opinion, this man would have to be truly ignorant, really stupid, or both, to not be completely aware of these &#8220;goings on&#8221;.  Frankly, I don&#8217;t believe that he is either the former or the latter and as far I have seen, is &#8220;in it&#8221; up to his neck. As far as the lack of response from HR goes, this same Ops. manager has, for some reason, a tremendous amount of &#8220;clout&#8221; at HR and no &#8220;good&#8221; HR employee would cross swords with him. My suggestion is, &#8220;Cut off the head (of Ops.) and the rest of the snake dies.</p>
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		By: Concerned Insider		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/03/11/more-poop-on-sewer-plant/#comment-968</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do work for a city sewer department and I can tell you I&#039;ve never worked with better.

There have been three different mid level managers identified with questionable activities, one of which has already been indicted and awaiting his day in court.  All of these managers have the same thing in common; they work for the same division within the same department.  This is obviously a management issue at all levels.

Employees who have gone to HR have gotten no where, just as the Guardian found when it tried to bring the matter to the city’s attention.  This has been a no win situation for those who want to do the right thing.  There has been no place go, no place to turn to and if the mayor had his way whistle blowers would be banned from the face of the earth.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do work for a city sewer department and I can tell you I&#8217;ve never worked with better.</p>
<p>There have been three different mid level managers identified with questionable activities, one of which has already been indicted and awaiting his day in court.  All of these managers have the same thing in common; they work for the same division within the same department.  This is obviously a management issue at all levels.</p>
<p>Employees who have gone to HR have gotten no where, just as the Guardian found when it tried to bring the matter to the city’s attention.  This has been a no win situation for those who want to do the right thing.  There has been no place go, no place to turn to and if the mayor had his way whistle blowers would be banned from the face of the earth.</p>
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		By: Luddite		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/03/11/more-poop-on-sewer-plant/#comment-967</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I noticed that there is a Lead Plant Mechanic position that is open at one of the Waste Water Treatment Plants.  Maybe everyone could apply and someone here could have the same benefits.  Unless you lack the qualifications, that is...

I once worked for a City Sewer Department.  We used to come in at 0630 and take lunch at 1100 to 1130 and got off at 1700.  We would just eat lunch at our jobsite since we all brought our lunches.  The town was dominated by citizens that had strong views on almost everything.  City Hall would get calls about City crews sitting around at 1100.  When they were told that we took our lunch then, some people responded that it didn&#039;t look right to have us sitting on a tailgate at that time.  Our spineless Mayor directed us to take lunch at 1200 and to come back to the City Sewer Shop.  This extended our lunch from 1200 to almost 1300.  We finally got tired of wasting the time and gas and we would just eat a bite here and there as we worked.

The moral of the story is that not all City employees are out to shaft the taxpayers.

ED NOTE--Luddite and Mayor McCheese offer some sound advice.  GUARDIAN is concerned that a positive posting like this one has generated so many negative comments and apparently from folks in the know.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that there is a Lead Plant Mechanic position that is open at one of the Waste Water Treatment Plants.  Maybe everyone could apply and someone here could have the same benefits.  Unless you lack the qualifications, that is&#8230;</p>
<p>I once worked for a City Sewer Department.  We used to come in at 0630 and take lunch at 1100 to 1130 and got off at 1700.  We would just eat lunch at our jobsite since we all brought our lunches.  The town was dominated by citizens that had strong views on almost everything.  City Hall would get calls about City crews sitting around at 1100.  When they were told that we took our lunch then, some people responded that it didn&#8217;t look right to have us sitting on a tailgate at that time.  Our spineless Mayor directed us to take lunch at 1200 and to come back to the City Sewer Shop.  This extended our lunch from 1200 to almost 1300.  We finally got tired of wasting the time and gas and we would just eat a bite here and there as we worked.</p>
<p>The moral of the story is that not all City employees are out to shaft the taxpayers.</p>
<p>ED NOTE&#8211;Luddite and Mayor McCheese offer some sound advice.  GUARDIAN is concerned that a positive posting like this one has generated so many negative comments and apparently from folks in the know.</p>
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		By: Mayor McCheese		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/03/11/more-poop-on-sewer-plant/#comment-966</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please don&#039;t go branding all city employees with this!

Public Works management is more often than not the real culprit.  I am not saying all of them are bad, but they know who they are.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t go branding all city employees with this!</p>
<p>Public Works management is more often than not the real culprit.  I am not saying all of them are bad, but they know who they are.</p>
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		By: Dennis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding Homer&#039;s comments.

He is correct, Public Works employees who are part of Operations Division can check out tools.  Hand tools, power tools, etc...

So, if you happen to have this moon lighting business, need some rather special tools and happen to work in Operations Division - just go check out what you need. Sweet deal...

How do you think work gets done at these treatment plants of Hidden Springs and other locations?  You don&#039;t think they would invest their own money in equipment and tools do you?

The only time anyone outside the city would be the wiser is if they needed to use equipment mounted on one of the trucks.  Didn’t someone spot a city vehicle out at Hidden Springs?

This is all manager approved employee benefits.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Homer&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>He is correct, Public Works employees who are part of Operations Division can check out tools.  Hand tools, power tools, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>So, if you happen to have this moon lighting business, need some rather special tools and happen to work in Operations Division &#8211; just go check out what you need. Sweet deal&#8230;</p>
<p>How do you think work gets done at these treatment plants of Hidden Springs and other locations?  You don&#8217;t think they would invest their own money in equipment and tools do you?</p>
<p>The only time anyone outside the city would be the wiser is if they needed to use equipment mounted on one of the trucks.  Didn’t someone spot a city vehicle out at Hidden Springs?</p>
<p>This is all manager approved employee benefits.</p>
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		By: Homer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Text in parentheses was edited for libel and clarity.
(If you think Boise is bad, take a look at Garden City PW Dept.)

Also, the last that I heard Boise public works employees could still “check out” small tools for personal use.  Not quite in the same league as Garden City where they could take what ever they wanted.

ED NOTE--Are you saying taxpayers are paying for a free &quot;tool library&quot; for employees, but not for the citizens who bought the tools??
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Text in parentheses was edited for libel and clarity.<br />
(If you think Boise is bad, take a look at Garden City PW Dept.)</p>
<p>Also, the last that I heard Boise public works employees could still “check out” small tools for personal use.  Not quite in the same league as Garden City where they could take what ever they wanted.</p>
<p>ED NOTE&#8211;Are you saying taxpayers are paying for a free &#8220;tool library&#8221; for employees, but not for the citizens who bought the tools??</p>
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		By: Judy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There will always be a means for an employee to cheat the system and employees to make it happen.

However, you don&#039;t allow it to continue once it&#039;s been discovered and you don&#039;t make allowances for it to continue, preferred employees or not.

The farm manager problems went on far too long and involved too much money for it not to of been known by senior management and now employee complaints of wrong doing about these other two managers in the same department...

We&#039;re not hearing a complaint about the activities of management in the city’s other departments, just Public Works.

What is wrong with this picture???


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will always be a means for an employee to cheat the system and employees to make it happen.</p>
<p>However, you don&#8217;t allow it to continue once it&#8217;s been discovered and you don&#8217;t make allowances for it to continue, preferred employees or not.</p>
<p>The farm manager problems went on far too long and involved too much money for it not to of been known by senior management and now employee complaints of wrong doing about these other two managers in the same department&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not hearing a complaint about the activities of management in the city’s other departments, just Public Works.</p>
<p>What is wrong with this picture???</p>
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		By: Melissa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess Garden City had this kind of problem, with public works employees actually using government vehicles on their own time and &quot;borrowing&quot; equipment.

As an aside, I&#039;ve heard Garden City wants to privatize this whole aspect of their government.

I&#039;m going to guess that Public Works departments in particular have problems because their employees have skills that aren&#039;t always easy to find in the private sector, and they have ready access to lots of tools, vehicles, etc.

That being said, the employees I know in Boise City Public Works are awesome and I&#039;ve had great service whenever I&#039;ve had to call about something.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Garden City had this kind of problem, with public works employees actually using government vehicles on their own time and &#8220;borrowing&#8221; equipment.</p>
<p>As an aside, I&#8217;ve heard Garden City wants to privatize this whole aspect of their government.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to guess that Public Works departments in particular have problems because their employees have skills that aren&#8217;t always easy to find in the private sector, and they have ready access to lots of tools, vehicles, etc.</p>
<p>That being said, the employees I know in Boise City Public Works are awesome and I&#8217;ve had great service whenever I&#8217;ve had to call about something.</p>
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		By: john		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If everybody was just willing to have their phones bugged we wouldn&#039;t have a problem with moonlighting ethics. George Bush is right, only the guilty or those contemplating a crime would object to government domestic spying. How about expanding our police force with a uniformed &quot;ethics police unit&quot;. We&#039;d all be more free and more ethical. That&#039;s a good thing.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everybody was just willing to have their phones bugged we wouldn&#8217;t have a problem with moonlighting ethics. George Bush is right, only the guilty or those contemplating a crime would object to government domestic spying. How about expanding our police force with a uniformed &#8220;ethics police unit&#8221;. We&#8217;d all be more free and more ethical. That&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		By: Concerned		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So how do you control all the folks that use their personal cell phones to sell real estate, Amway, EBAY, and conduct other business while on city property or during their workday? The only way to know is to have a full disclosure policy.

How do we know that city vehicles are not used to drive to close home sales after work? Or that city officers do not use city issued equipment for off-duty activities? Without full disclosure the city can simply not tell who is doing what with city resources or on city time.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how do you control all the folks that use their personal cell phones to sell real estate, Amway, EBAY, and conduct other business while on city property or during their workday? The only way to know is to have a full disclosure policy.</p>
<p>How do we know that city vehicles are not used to drive to close home sales after work? Or that city officers do not use city issued equipment for off-duty activities? Without full disclosure the city can simply not tell who is doing what with city resources or on city time.</p>
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