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		By: Jon Q Publique		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with Curious George (and before him Inside Boi) about using the Depot as a light rail station/transfer point. It doesn’t make sense.

Getting the buses to head north from the Depot should be a real trick. Talk about delay time. On the other hand, it would be a great &quot;neighborhood reinvestment&quot; project.

Public officials seem adamant about getting a light rail system going. I thought the idea would go away when Brent did, but no such luck. Dave, the Council, and CCDC continue to push the idea. Makes one wonder if Motive Power having a locomotive rebuild/manufacturing facility here in Boise has anything to do with that.  Oops, sorry, that’s heavy rail.

Maybe Guardian readers can contribute to a fund to buy a Lionel or American Flyer train set for the Mayor, the Council, and CCDC in lieu of light rail. Lionel used to have a really nice Birney streetcar.

Folks I know who have mass transit backgrounds say light rail isn’t feasible for Boise for a long, long time although preserving the corridor is a good idea. The Valley doesn’t have the population density necessary to support light rail.

These sources tell me that Cleveland and Los Angeles, both with more population and more population density than Boise, are currently developing bus rapid transit (BRT) in lieu of light rail.  Salem, Oregon put plans for a light rail system on hold after cost estimates came in at $ 51 million for 2.5 miles and federal monies dried up.

They also tell me the cost of a new Diesel Multiple Unit (DMU), similar to the one that ran here on a demo basis in 1997, is a mere $ 4 million plus.  That’s just capital cost for one unit.  A Valley Ride study indicates they would need at least 4 units.  Operating costs are extra.

The Statesman recently reported that the whatever our name is this week bus system is only covering about 10% of its operating cost from fares. I’m told that is an all time low for Boise and that its nearly $ 60 per vehicle hour operating cost is an all time high.

Valley Ride’s own rail corridor study estimated operating costs for a 30 minute DMU schedule to be slightly more than $ 5,000,000 per year or over $ 500 per vehicle hour - about 10 times the operating cost of the bus system.

I could not find any ridership or revenue estimates in the study.  The study also notes that the Depot is not a good place for a transfer point.  Sorry, I mean transportation center.

My transit sources suggest uttering the words “New Starts” whenever public officials use the words “light rail”. Seems federal funding for new light rail starts is a real moving target. Of course when all else fails, there’s always the good olde “demonstration project.”

Guardian readers may want to read Mark Glines Reader’s Opinion in the July 1st Statesman.  It’s an interesting piece.

Guardian readers also may wish to visit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publicpurpose.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.publicpurpose.com/&lt;/a&gt; for alternative views on a range of urban topics including transit.

Boise needs a light rail system? Don’t think so.  It does desperately need some creative out of the box thinking for alternative transportation.  Traditional bus and trolley lines don’t cut it in the 21st Century.

JQP
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Curious George (and before him Inside Boi) about using the Depot as a light rail station/transfer point. It doesn’t make sense.</p>
<p>Getting the buses to head north from the Depot should be a real trick. Talk about delay time. On the other hand, it would be a great &#8220;neighborhood reinvestment&#8221; project.</p>
<p>Public officials seem adamant about getting a light rail system going. I thought the idea would go away when Brent did, but no such luck. Dave, the Council, and CCDC continue to push the idea. Makes one wonder if Motive Power having a locomotive rebuild/manufacturing facility here in Boise has anything to do with that.  Oops, sorry, that’s heavy rail.</p>
<p>Maybe Guardian readers can contribute to a fund to buy a Lionel or American Flyer train set for the Mayor, the Council, and CCDC in lieu of light rail. Lionel used to have a really nice Birney streetcar.</p>
<p>Folks I know who have mass transit backgrounds say light rail isn’t feasible for Boise for a long, long time although preserving the corridor is a good idea. The Valley doesn’t have the population density necessary to support light rail.</p>
<p>These sources tell me that Cleveland and Los Angeles, both with more population and more population density than Boise, are currently developing bus rapid transit (BRT) in lieu of light rail.  Salem, Oregon put plans for a light rail system on hold after cost estimates came in at $ 51 million for 2.5 miles and federal monies dried up.</p>
<p>They also tell me the cost of a new Diesel Multiple Unit (DMU), similar to the one that ran here on a demo basis in 1997, is a mere $ 4 million plus.  That’s just capital cost for one unit.  A Valley Ride study indicates they would need at least 4 units.  Operating costs are extra.</p>
<p>The Statesman recently reported that the whatever our name is this week bus system is only covering about 10% of its operating cost from fares. I’m told that is an all time low for Boise and that its nearly $ 60 per vehicle hour operating cost is an all time high.</p>
<p>Valley Ride’s own rail corridor study estimated operating costs for a 30 minute DMU schedule to be slightly more than $ 5,000,000 per year or over $ 500 per vehicle hour &#8211; about 10 times the operating cost of the bus system.</p>
<p>I could not find any ridership or revenue estimates in the study.  The study also notes that the Depot is not a good place for a transfer point.  Sorry, I mean transportation center.</p>
<p>My transit sources suggest uttering the words “New Starts” whenever public officials use the words “light rail”. Seems federal funding for new light rail starts is a real moving target. Of course when all else fails, there’s always the good olde “demonstration project.”</p>
<p>Guardian readers may want to read Mark Glines Reader’s Opinion in the July 1st Statesman.  It’s an interesting piece.</p>
<p>Guardian readers also may wish to visit <a href="http://www.publicpurpose.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.publicpurpose.com/</a> for alternative views on a range of urban topics including transit.</p>
<p>Boise needs a light rail system? Don’t think so.  It does desperately need some creative out of the box thinking for alternative transportation.  Traditional bus and trolley lines don’t cut it in the 21st Century.</p>
<p>JQP</p>
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		By: Sharon Ullman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Take a look at the COMPASS minutes from March 20 and April 17 of this year.  In both cases, the three Ada County Commissioners, three Ada County Highway District Commissioners, two members representing the Association of Canyon County Highway Districts, and the Mayors of Garden City and Star (ten people) outvoted these 18: the Boise Mayor and two City Council members, representatives from the City of Caldwell, Canyon County, the City of Eagle, the City of Kuna, the City of Meridian (2 reps), the City of Middleton, the City of Nampa (2 reps), the City of Parma, BSU, CCDC, DEQ, ITD, and Valley Regional Transit.

In some cases, the COMPASS dues paid by a lone taxpayer buy power for multiple elected officials who vote against each other.  I wouldn’t want them all walking in lockstep, of course, but this situation is a good reminder of the importance of watching to see whose interests our elected officials are really representing.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the COMPASS minutes from March 20 and April 17 of this year.  In both cases, the three Ada County Commissioners, three Ada County Highway District Commissioners, two members representing the Association of Canyon County Highway Districts, and the Mayors of Garden City and Star (ten people) outvoted these 18: the Boise Mayor and two City Council members, representatives from the City of Caldwell, Canyon County, the City of Eagle, the City of Kuna, the City of Meridian (2 reps), the City of Middleton, the City of Nampa (2 reps), the City of Parma, BSU, CCDC, DEQ, ITD, and Valley Regional Transit.</p>
<p>In some cases, the COMPASS dues paid by a lone taxpayer buy power for multiple elected officials who vote against each other.  I wouldn’t want them all walking in lockstep, of course, but this situation is a good reminder of the importance of watching to see whose interests our elected officials are really representing.</p>
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		By: curious george		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[COMPASS does permit a weighted vote, the vote being pro rated by the dues paid by any member agency. The amount of dues is determined, not by any amount the agency chooses to contribute, but by a 75-cent per capita rate for the agency&#039;s representative population.

In 2005, Ada County and the Ada County Highway District were levied the highest rates at just over $137K each, with Notus coming in last at $259. As far as land use decision making bodies go, Ada County with its $137K still outweighed all the county&#039;s cities put together - their contributions being just under $106K.

If all Ada County agencies voted in a block, their combined $381K would outweigh the Canyon County agencies $175K.

Since contributions are based off of population counts, it could be viewed as a curious form of capitalistic democracy. But there is a catch, in that a form of multiple taxation occurs - which could be viewed as a gerrymandering of weighted votes.

If you are unfortunate enough to live in a city, you are paying quite a few times over for your representation on the COMPASS Board.

Including highway districts, counties, and cities, there are two other taxing authorities which pay &quot;special membership&quot; dues - Boise &amp; Meridian School Districts. ITD and DEQ, though not taxing authorities in themselves, do pay for special memberships, from their share of the state&#039;s general fund (or gasoline tax).

So, in reality, an Ada County resident (living within a city) will have paid six times over for representation on the COMPASS Board. For example, a Boise citizen pays for the city, for the county, for the school district, for ACHD, for ITD, and for DEQ. If you&#039;re a student at BSU, add another chunk for BSU&#039;s special membership - another if you ride the Bus (for VRT&#039;s special membership), another if you ever parked in a downtown parking garage (for CCDC&#039;s special membership). What&#039;s that - nine times?

But then again, that&#039;s just over $2.25 - less than an espresso at Moxie Java. Think of all the power you wield...
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COMPASS does permit a weighted vote, the vote being pro rated by the dues paid by any member agency. The amount of dues is determined, not by any amount the agency chooses to contribute, but by a 75-cent per capita rate for the agency&#8217;s representative population.</p>
<p>In 2005, Ada County and the Ada County Highway District were levied the highest rates at just over $137K each, with Notus coming in last at $259. As far as land use decision making bodies go, Ada County with its $137K still outweighed all the county&#8217;s cities put together &#8211; their contributions being just under $106K.</p>
<p>If all Ada County agencies voted in a block, their combined $381K would outweigh the Canyon County agencies $175K.</p>
<p>Since contributions are based off of population counts, it could be viewed as a curious form of capitalistic democracy. But there is a catch, in that a form of multiple taxation occurs &#8211; which could be viewed as a gerrymandering of weighted votes.</p>
<p>If you are unfortunate enough to live in a city, you are paying quite a few times over for your representation on the COMPASS Board.</p>
<p>Including highway districts, counties, and cities, there are two other taxing authorities which pay &#8220;special membership&#8221; dues &#8211; Boise &#038; Meridian School Districts. ITD and DEQ, though not taxing authorities in themselves, do pay for special memberships, from their share of the state&#8217;s general fund (or gasoline tax).</p>
<p>So, in reality, an Ada County resident (living within a city) will have paid six times over for representation on the COMPASS Board. For example, a Boise citizen pays for the city, for the county, for the school district, for ACHD, for ITD, and for DEQ. If you&#8217;re a student at BSU, add another chunk for BSU&#8217;s special membership &#8211; another if you ride the Bus (for VRT&#8217;s special membership), another if you ever parked in a downtown parking garage (for CCDC&#8217;s special membership). What&#8217;s that &#8211; nine times?</p>
<p>But then again, that&#8217;s just over $2.25 &#8211; less than an espresso at Moxie Java. Think of all the power you wield&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sharon Ullman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great transportation system analysis, Curious George!

Did you know that COMPASS now has provisions in its bylaws to use &quot;weighted voting&quot; in which each member organization has voting authority in direct relation to the amount of dues that organization contributes?  Here&#039;s a passage from the bylaws:

&quot;Section 4. Votes Per Voting Director. Three voting alternatives exist. Unless otherwise provided, Alternative A (one vote per Voting Director) shall be used.

A. One vote per Voting Director:
Each Voting Director casts one and only one vote.

B. Weighted Voting:
Voting Directors from each General and Special Purpose Member cast a number of votes equal to the member agency’s Association membership dues as provided below.

C. Intra-County Voting:
Only Voting Directors from within one county cast a vote.&quot;

COMPASS meeting minutes show that weighted voting has been used.  For more information, check out the bylaws on the COMPASS website at:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.compassidaho.org/documents/people/board/COMPASSBylaws.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.compassidaho.org/documents/people/board/COMPASSBylaws.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great transportation system analysis, Curious George!</p>
<p>Did you know that COMPASS now has provisions in its bylaws to use &#8220;weighted voting&#8221; in which each member organization has voting authority in direct relation to the amount of dues that organization contributes?  Here&#8217;s a passage from the bylaws:</p>
<p>&#8220;Section 4. Votes Per Voting Director. Three voting alternatives exist. Unless otherwise provided, Alternative A (one vote per Voting Director) shall be used.</p>
<p>A. One vote per Voting Director:<br />
Each Voting Director casts one and only one vote.</p>
<p>B. Weighted Voting:<br />
Voting Directors from each General and Special Purpose Member cast a number of votes equal to the member agency’s Association membership dues as provided below.</p>
<p>C. Intra-County Voting:<br />
Only Voting Directors from within one county cast a vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>COMPASS meeting minutes show that weighted voting has been used.  For more information, check out the bylaws on the COMPASS website at:  <a href="http://www.compassidaho.org/documents/people/board/COMPASSBylaws.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.compassidaho.org/documents/people/board/COMPASSBylaws.pdf</a></p>
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		By: curious george		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have long held that the Depot is a VERY poor place to establish a light rail transit station, all for the very reasons stated by Inside. Yet just to the east (at the intersection of Protest and Federal Way) is a seven acre vacant parcel that is ideally suited for such a transfer station. Anyone who believes that moving Big Mike will somehow make the Depot more &quot;entertaining&quot; or a more viable transit station - is smoking crack (sorry Team Dave).

But Inside&#039;s jab at the county is a little off-mark. The initiative to push for light rail in the valley came straight from former Mayor Cole&#039;s administration - nowhere else. And, the 1997 Rail Demonstration Project (where a number of communities brought in a diesle powered light rail car for a two-week run - shuttling back and forth between Meridian and Micron) pretty clearly showed that connections to a local bus service from the Depot was exceedingly difficult.

The COMPASS Board of Director&#039;s (comprised of 39 elected officials and agency representatives from throughout Ada &amp; Canyon Counties, with the county commissioners having only 6 votes - not even enough to block a super-majority vote if one was ever cast), has agreed to manage an &quot;Alternatives Analysis&quot; for a Treasure Valley Priority Corridor that will examine whether I-84 or the rail corridor could be effectively used for high-capacity transit.

One option that will be explored is whether the rail corridor land could be purchased in order to build a dedicated bus rapid transit (BRT) road corridor - as opposed to a dedicated diamond lane on I-84. A BRT route can be constructed for a tenth the cost of a light rail system, per mile, and actually carry more people than a light rail system. Get all the cross-county buses off crowded I-84, Fairview, Chinden, and State Street, onto their own thoroughfare - and transit will start operating at vastly improved levels of service.

Remember, trying to run a high-capacity transit system on local roads, puts all those buses in the same traffic jams that everyone else is stuck in. Even rail lines placed on these roadways will have innumerable at-grade crossings that will slow down everyone, and only increase the hazards of commuting to work. The days of the old intervalley trolley are long gone, such a system would snarl the entire road network today.

Use transfer stations like the one that should be put at Protest &amp; Federal Way, to get people off the rapid transit system onto the local system. Commuters using a BRT on the old rail corridor could get east &amp; west twice as fast as a driver on the freeway or any of the local roads - and use an improved local service to get directly to work.

Don&#039;t throw the baby out with the bath water.

And really, leave Big Mike where it&#039;s at. Use the money to improve (and build) safe commuter bike routes that actually lead somewhere, better pedestrian directional signage downtown, improved alternative vehicle parking downtown, improved downtown streetscaping, better pedestrian connections across the Boise River to Garden City, better home-to-school pedestrian routes for our kids, the list goes on...
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long held that the Depot is a VERY poor place to establish a light rail transit station, all for the very reasons stated by Inside. Yet just to the east (at the intersection of Protest and Federal Way) is a seven acre vacant parcel that is ideally suited for such a transfer station. Anyone who believes that moving Big Mike will somehow make the Depot more &#8220;entertaining&#8221; or a more viable transit station &#8211; is smoking crack (sorry Team Dave).</p>
<p>But Inside&#8217;s jab at the county is a little off-mark. The initiative to push for light rail in the valley came straight from former Mayor Cole&#8217;s administration &#8211; nowhere else. And, the 1997 Rail Demonstration Project (where a number of communities brought in a diesle powered light rail car for a two-week run &#8211; shuttling back and forth between Meridian and Micron) pretty clearly showed that connections to a local bus service from the Depot was exceedingly difficult.</p>
<p>The COMPASS Board of Director&#8217;s (comprised of 39 elected officials and agency representatives from throughout Ada &#038; Canyon Counties, with the county commissioners having only 6 votes &#8211; not even enough to block a super-majority vote if one was ever cast), has agreed to manage an &#8220;Alternatives Analysis&#8221; for a Treasure Valley Priority Corridor that will examine whether I-84 or the rail corridor could be effectively used for high-capacity transit.</p>
<p>One option that will be explored is whether the rail corridor land could be purchased in order to build a dedicated bus rapid transit (BRT) road corridor &#8211; as opposed to a dedicated diamond lane on I-84. A BRT route can be constructed for a tenth the cost of a light rail system, per mile, and actually carry more people than a light rail system. Get all the cross-county buses off crowded I-84, Fairview, Chinden, and State Street, onto their own thoroughfare &#8211; and transit will start operating at vastly improved levels of service.</p>
<p>Remember, trying to run a high-capacity transit system on local roads, puts all those buses in the same traffic jams that everyone else is stuck in. Even rail lines placed on these roadways will have innumerable at-grade crossings that will slow down everyone, and only increase the hazards of commuting to work. The days of the old intervalley trolley are long gone, such a system would snarl the entire road network today.</p>
<p>Use transfer stations like the one that should be put at Protest &#038; Federal Way, to get people off the rapid transit system onto the local system. Commuters using a BRT on the old rail corridor could get east &#038; west twice as fast as a driver on the freeway or any of the local roads &#8211; and use an improved local service to get directly to work.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t throw the baby out with the bath water.</p>
<p>And really, leave Big Mike where it&#8217;s at. Use the money to improve (and build) safe commuter bike routes that actually lead somewhere, better pedestrian directional signage downtown, improved alternative vehicle parking downtown, improved downtown streetscaping, better pedestrian connections across the Boise River to Garden City, better home-to-school pedestrian routes for our kids, the list goes on&#8230;</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[As stated before if you spend time inside city government you quickly learn that the city wants to have a rail system at any cost and wants to convert the area around the depot into a transit center.

This means all the homes south of the depot can and would be removed for a &quot;bus exchange area&quot; to accommodate the need to move people from the train to buses.

The entire Crescent Rim, Peasley, Rose Hill area would be massively effected by this center. But again the City (and County) don&#039;t care. The rail system - IF there is one should go to a large transit center DOWNTOWN so people could walk from there to their giant office buildings - NOT LOAD AND RE-LOAD BUSES!. The idea of the Depot as a transit center shows a total lack of understanding of public transportation and logistics, let alone cost evaluation and ROI.

The Depot SHOULD be a museum and if trains run the tracks they should simply pass by on their way to Micron and Mt. Home.

Besides - with all the condos that are to be built downtown everyone will already be living downtown and we will not need to bring them here - right? Maybe Meridian or Nampa will soon realize that as soon as they build a couple of highrise offices (and they would easily fill them), downtown Boise will not be the only act in the valley.

All of this &quot;future rail service&quot; agenda is  being loaded into the COMPASS covertly so Boise and COMPASS can say that the COMPASS study demands it be done.

Other bias &quot;study data&quot; is being prepared to support the &quot;rail dream&quot; dream - regardless of cost or tax increases or subsidies needed.

oh yea...So WHY are we moving Big Mike?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As stated before if you spend time inside city government you quickly learn that the city wants to have a rail system at any cost and wants to convert the area around the depot into a transit center.</p>
<p>This means all the homes south of the depot can and would be removed for a &#8220;bus exchange area&#8221; to accommodate the need to move people from the train to buses.</p>
<p>The entire Crescent Rim, Peasley, Rose Hill area would be massively effected by this center. But again the City (and County) don&#8217;t care. The rail system &#8211; IF there is one should go to a large transit center DOWNTOWN so people could walk from there to their giant office buildings &#8211; NOT LOAD AND RE-LOAD BUSES!. The idea of the Depot as a transit center shows a total lack of understanding of public transportation and logistics, let alone cost evaluation and ROI.</p>
<p>The Depot SHOULD be a museum and if trains run the tracks they should simply pass by on their way to Micron and Mt. Home.</p>
<p>Besides &#8211; with all the condos that are to be built downtown everyone will already be living downtown and we will not need to bring them here &#8211; right? Maybe Meridian or Nampa will soon realize that as soon as they build a couple of highrise offices (and they would easily fill them), downtown Boise will not be the only act in the valley.</p>
<p>All of this &#8220;future rail service&#8221; agenda is  being loaded into the COMPASS covertly so Boise and COMPASS can say that the COMPASS study demands it be done.</p>
<p>Other bias &#8220;study data&#8221; is being prepared to support the &#8220;rail dream&#8221; dream &#8211; regardless of cost or tax increases or subsidies needed.</p>
<p>oh yea&#8230;So WHY are we moving Big Mike?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just heard Councilor Jordan on KBOI-AM670 say she wanted to keep the Depot as a spot for &quot;future rail service&quot;.  She did NOT favor a museum.   Why put an old steam engine on display in a space needed for busses and commuters?  Sounds like they will have to move the thing out of the way in the future.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just heard Councilor Jordan on KBOI-AM670 say she wanted to keep the Depot as a spot for &#8220;future rail service&#8221;.  She did NOT favor a museum.   Why put an old steam engine on display in a space needed for busses and commuters?  Sounds like they will have to move the thing out of the way in the future.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boise City and GBAD (the Greater Boise Auditorium District) could just get together and use the Depot as one piece of their expandable Convention Center!  ;-)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boise City and GBAD (the Greater Boise Auditorium District) could just get together and use the Depot as one piece of their expandable Convention Center!  😉</p>
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		By: Why?		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/03/boise-off-track-on-locomotive-move/#comment-1955</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why? Why move Big Mike at all? What is FORCING this?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why? Why move Big Mike at all? What is FORCING this?</p>
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		By: Joe Public		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/03/boise-off-track-on-locomotive-move/#comment-1954</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This $1000.00 dollars party money that the city gets for renting out the Boise Depot.  What do they do with that money?  Where does it go?

Since it is OUR building, you would think we the people at least have the right of knowing what they are doing with the money.

It appears we don&#039;t have a say in how the building is to be used, do we have any rights here? Never mind, I know that answer...

EDITOR NOTE--Like the Army Officer in Vietnam explained, &quot;We had to burn the village to save it.&quot;  The City has long held the position they have to rent the Depot to pay the cost of maintaining it...but for whom?


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This $1000.00 dollars party money that the city gets for renting out the Boise Depot.  What do they do with that money?  Where does it go?</p>
<p>Since it is OUR building, you would think we the people at least have the right of knowing what they are doing with the money.</p>
<p>It appears we don&#8217;t have a say in how the building is to be used, do we have any rights here? Never mind, I know that answer&#8230;</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Like the Army Officer in Vietnam explained, &#8220;We had to burn the village to save it.&#8221;  The City has long held the position they have to rent the Depot to pay the cost of maintaining it&#8230;but for whom?</p>
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