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		By: Rietta		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/27/sex-and-the-constitution/#comment-2238</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with the GUARDIAN about gay rights. I believe it&#039;s bad terminology, implying that homosexuals should be eligible for special rights not afforded to heterosexuals. I do believe that gay people should be allowed the same rights as the rest of us...it&#039;s a sexual preference, for God&#039;s sake, it has nothing to do with political status and shouldn&#039;t even be an issue for the government to decide.

My only concern lies with churches. It is not inconceivable that a homosexual couple would wish to have a traditional &quot;church&quot; wedding, and it is equally possible that some churches might refuse to marry a gay couple. This could raise issues such as the church&#039;s right to refuse to host a gay wedding, whether or not it is discrimination, or a hate crime, and so on and so forth...

While homosexuals should be allowed equal rights, I do not believe that churches should be required to marry a gay couple if the reason for the refusal is based in their theology.

I am concerned that with the legalization of gay marriage will come the persecution of fundamentalist Christian churches who disagree on a religious basis with homosexuality. This is an issue that is rarely talked about, but it needs to be addressed, because I disagree with the government&#039;s interference with the church just as much as I disagree with the government&#039;s intrusion into the personal lives and sexual preferences of individuals.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the GUARDIAN about gay rights. I believe it&#8217;s bad terminology, implying that homosexuals should be eligible for special rights not afforded to heterosexuals. I do believe that gay people should be allowed the same rights as the rest of us&#8230;it&#8217;s a sexual preference, for God&#8217;s sake, it has nothing to do with political status and shouldn&#8217;t even be an issue for the government to decide.</p>
<p>My only concern lies with churches. It is not inconceivable that a homosexual couple would wish to have a traditional &#8220;church&#8221; wedding, and it is equally possible that some churches might refuse to marry a gay couple. This could raise issues such as the church&#8217;s right to refuse to host a gay wedding, whether or not it is discrimination, or a hate crime, and so on and so forth&#8230;</p>
<p>While homosexuals should be allowed equal rights, I do not believe that churches should be required to marry a gay couple if the reason for the refusal is based in their theology.</p>
<p>I am concerned that with the legalization of gay marriage will come the persecution of fundamentalist Christian churches who disagree on a religious basis with homosexuality. This is an issue that is rarely talked about, but it needs to be addressed, because I disagree with the government&#8217;s interference with the church just as much as I disagree with the government&#8217;s intrusion into the personal lives and sexual preferences of individuals.</p>
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		By: Rev. Thomas		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/27/sex-and-the-constitution/#comment-2237</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK.  I agree with the fact that seperation of church and state should be upheld.  We each have our own religion inside of us.  For any one religion to to affect all would unconstitutional and immoral as a people.

Furthermore, in this instance, the GLBT as a community is not asking for anything at all.  It is the state government asking for our permission to &quot;get in the first punch&quot; if you will.  If they pass this ammendment, then they will not have to deal with anyone asking for any rights later that pertain to this subject.  Because they already took the right away before they could ask.

This, I believe, is not EQUALITY.  This is not FAIR.  This is not JUST.

Are we really going to let our own government dictate how and when we enter into the 21st century of enlightenment.  That decision should be up to each and every individual, family, and community.  Not the business men who want to keep the cold war on sexuality alive so they can make more money on it.

OH!  By The Way, this ammendment will not only affect the GLBT people of Idaho, but also it will keep any other person that has been married previous from ever marrying again or being recognized by the state if they have already.  They don&#039;t mention that part of the wording of the ammendment.

As a Reverend, I say let the judgement be made by whatever higher power each of you believe in do the judging, not us.

As a human being that lives on this planet and in this state, I say let no law ever take anyones right to equality away.  Nor, prevent anyone from requesting equality under the law.

Rev. Thomas Cox
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  I agree with the fact that seperation of church and state should be upheld.  We each have our own religion inside of us.  For any one religion to to affect all would unconstitutional and immoral as a people.</p>
<p>Furthermore, in this instance, the GLBT as a community is not asking for anything at all.  It is the state government asking for our permission to &#8220;get in the first punch&#8221; if you will.  If they pass this ammendment, then they will not have to deal with anyone asking for any rights later that pertain to this subject.  Because they already took the right away before they could ask.</p>
<p>This, I believe, is not EQUALITY.  This is not FAIR.  This is not JUST.</p>
<p>Are we really going to let our own government dictate how and when we enter into the 21st century of enlightenment.  That decision should be up to each and every individual, family, and community.  Not the business men who want to keep the cold war on sexuality alive so they can make more money on it.</p>
<p>OH!  By The Way, this ammendment will not only affect the GLBT people of Idaho, but also it will keep any other person that has been married previous from ever marrying again or being recognized by the state if they have already.  They don&#8217;t mention that part of the wording of the ammendment.</p>
<p>As a Reverend, I say let the judgement be made by whatever higher power each of you believe in do the judging, not us.</p>
<p>As a human being that lives on this planet and in this state, I say let no law ever take anyones right to equality away.  Nor, prevent anyone from requesting equality under the law.</p>
<p>Rev. Thomas Cox</p>
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		By: tater		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/27/sex-and-the-constitution/#comment-2236</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I concur with the differentiation between &quot;religious&quot; unions and &quot;civil&quot; unions. One of the best ideas I read was (paraphrasing): civil unions for all, optional church sanctification.

One thing I do wish this debate would avoid is the emotional aspect. Stick to technicalities and shy away from degrees of love. Homosexual partnerships are human too and are no more guaranteed &quot;til death do you part&quot; than heterosexual partnerships. Kick the tired divorce rate argument.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with the differentiation between &#8220;religious&#8221; unions and &#8220;civil&#8221; unions. One of the best ideas I read was (paraphrasing): civil unions for all, optional church sanctification.</p>
<p>One thing I do wish this debate would avoid is the emotional aspect. Stick to technicalities and shy away from degrees of love. Homosexual partnerships are human too and are no more guaranteed &#8220;til death do you part&#8221; than heterosexual partnerships. Kick the tired divorce rate argument.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/27/sex-and-the-constitution/#comment-2235</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why all the discussion? The Guardian said it all, in one line:

EQUAL rights and NO discrimination for any reason.


As for the insurance rates going up: Yep, probably. But if the way to solve that is to ban certain people from enjoying the benefits of marriage/insurance, why make it only gays? How about left-handed people? Non-Christians? People of certain heights or weights or eye colors? And definitely (and the R&#039;s probably would go for this one) anyone who reads The Guardian?
Makes about as much sense.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why all the discussion? The Guardian said it all, in one line:</p>
<p>EQUAL rights and NO discrimination for any reason.</p>
<p>As for the insurance rates going up: Yep, probably. But if the way to solve that is to ban certain people from enjoying the benefits of marriage/insurance, why make it only gays? How about left-handed people? Non-Christians? People of certain heights or weights or eye colors? And definitely (and the R&#8217;s probably would go for this one) anyone who reads The Guardian?<br />
Makes about as much sense.</p>
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		By: HH		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/27/sex-and-the-constitution/#comment-2234</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree. With so many important issues at hand why spend so much time on this one? Good list FerrisB.

I too am opposed to the amendment. Perhaps it could be shelved for a time when the world really has no other problems, when all children are safe, well fed, well insured, etc. etc. etc.  When this happens perhaps then we will be able to debate this &quot;moral  issue&quot;.  Until that time no one is able to cast the first stone.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. With so many important issues at hand why spend so much time on this one? Good list FerrisB.</p>
<p>I too am opposed to the amendment. Perhaps it could be shelved for a time when the world really has no other problems, when all children are safe, well fed, well insured, etc. etc. etc.  When this happens perhaps then we will be able to debate this &#8220;moral  issue&#8221;.  Until that time no one is able to cast the first stone.</p>
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		By: john		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/27/sex-and-the-constitution/#comment-2233</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;marriage&quot; word is the big bugaboo in all this. In the eyes of the &quot;State&quot;, marriage is a civil, legal contract. That&#039;s why you have to buy a licence from the government if you want to do it legally. They don&#039;t care if one spouse is Baptist and the other Taliban. I personally think the so called &quot;gay&quot; community brought this on themselves and has brought a lot of attention in their direction and for what good? Legal unions are a good thing for society. So is child support,love and respect. Look at what is happening today in the name of religion. &quot;Marriage&quot; is a word keeping company with the likes of &quot;family farm&quot;, &quot;patriotisim&quot;, and &quot;sustainable cease fire&quot;.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;marriage&#8221; word is the big bugaboo in all this. In the eyes of the &#8220;State&#8221;, marriage is a civil, legal contract. That&#8217;s why you have to buy a licence from the government if you want to do it legally. They don&#8217;t care if one spouse is Baptist and the other Taliban. I personally think the so called &#8220;gay&#8221; community brought this on themselves and has brought a lot of attention in their direction and for what good? Legal unions are a good thing for society. So is child support,love and respect. Look at what is happening today in the name of religion. &#8220;Marriage&#8221; is a word keeping company with the likes of &#8220;family farm&#8221;, &#8220;patriotisim&#8221;, and &#8220;sustainable cease fire&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Tam		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/27/sex-and-the-constitution/#comment-2232</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have seen time and again, serial monogamist male employees marry, sign up a herd of new wife&#039;s children for health insurance and orthodontic coverage, they all get braces, checkups and so forth and they divorce.  A few weeks later, here comes male employee with new wife and guess what, she also has kids with crooked teeth.  How is that any less a problem for the insurance company and employer?  For that matter, how is it any different to pay for insurance for a lesbian couple, than a woman and a man.  Since we have no control over who marries or when, are we counting (in the actuarial sense) on a certain percentage of gay people in the workforce?  That&#039;s the only way some of this even begins to make sense, and even then, it doesn&#039;t make much.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen time and again, serial monogamist male employees marry, sign up a herd of new wife&#8217;s children for health insurance and orthodontic coverage, they all get braces, checkups and so forth and they divorce.  A few weeks later, here comes male employee with new wife and guess what, she also has kids with crooked teeth.  How is that any less a problem for the insurance company and employer?  For that matter, how is it any different to pay for insurance for a lesbian couple, than a woman and a man.  Since we have no control over who marries or when, are we counting (in the actuarial sense) on a certain percentage of gay people in the workforce?  That&#8217;s the only way some of this even begins to make sense, and even then, it doesn&#8217;t make much.</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/07/27/sex-and-the-constitution/#comment-2231</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, Razzbar, where do I sign up for a health insurance policy with reduced rates for married couples?  When I quit working several years ago my husband and I each got our own high deductible policy. I haven&#039;t seen any rate sheets from the major insurance companies that have married couple rates - please advise.

I was amused by the suggestion that a couple could declare whatever gender they wanted at the marriage license bureau.  I wouldn&#039;t want to be the clerk in that office. You would know they were lying, but what could you do about it?


Lena - you don&#039;t want to buy mortgage insurance....it is a nearly useless and expensive way to purchase life insurance.  You can certainly have insurance on each other without attaching it to home ownership.  As an old escrow officer I can tell you that having closed thousands of real estate transactions, the only time a client purchased mortgage insurance was because one of the couple already had a terminal illness. (We barely got the deal closed in time.)

You can jump through all kinds of legal hoops to get something resembling a civil union but it would be much easier just to get married.  That would take care of most of your issues about inheritance, etc.  That is one of the main reasons that gay people want to get married, after all. (Besides the &quot;recognition&quot; factor.)


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Razzbar, where do I sign up for a health insurance policy with reduced rates for married couples?  When I quit working several years ago my husband and I each got our own high deductible policy. I haven&#8217;t seen any rate sheets from the major insurance companies that have married couple rates &#8211; please advise.</p>
<p>I was amused by the suggestion that a couple could declare whatever gender they wanted at the marriage license bureau.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to be the clerk in that office. You would know they were lying, but what could you do about it?</p>
<p>Lena &#8211; you don&#8217;t want to buy mortgage insurance&#8230;.it is a nearly useless and expensive way to purchase life insurance.  You can certainly have insurance on each other without attaching it to home ownership.  As an old escrow officer I can tell you that having closed thousands of real estate transactions, the only time a client purchased mortgage insurance was because one of the couple already had a terminal illness. (We barely got the deal closed in time.)</p>
<p>You can jump through all kinds of legal hoops to get something resembling a civil union but it would be much easier just to get married.  That would take care of most of your issues about inheritance, etc.  That is one of the main reasons that gay people want to get married, after all. (Besides the &#8220;recognition&#8221; factor.)</p>
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		By: SINical		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While it&#039;s admirable that a citizen (Lena) is fired up over a political issue, it appears that her diatribe is all about a personal irrational fear: that she will end up destitute in the unlikely event that the man she shacks up with suddenly kicks over and - even more unlikely - that the ex-wife will end-run the laws regarding probate. Perhaps Lena is more concerned about her lack of a secure relationship with this dude than with benefitting large groups of the population.

Did I miss something? In her micro-soap opera, is Lena anticipating her good-time Charlie will croak soon, and if so, WHY? An even greater WHY is how Lena thinks her boyfriend&#039;s employer must cough up more in order to extend benefits to her. Health insurance ain&#039;t free, and as a self-employed person, Lena should respect employers not wishing to have their pockets picked by temporary affiliates of their employees who have a sense of entitlement. Lena is providing her own insurance, so? Stick to the ISSUES, not the dirty laundry.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s admirable that a citizen (Lena) is fired up over a political issue, it appears that her diatribe is all about a personal irrational fear: that she will end up destitute in the unlikely event that the man she shacks up with suddenly kicks over and &#8211; even more unlikely &#8211; that the ex-wife will end-run the laws regarding probate. Perhaps Lena is more concerned about her lack of a secure relationship with this dude than with benefitting large groups of the population.</p>
<p>Did I miss something? In her micro-soap opera, is Lena anticipating her good-time Charlie will croak soon, and if so, WHY? An even greater WHY is how Lena thinks her boyfriend&#8217;s employer must cough up more in order to extend benefits to her. Health insurance ain&#8217;t free, and as a self-employed person, Lena should respect employers not wishing to have their pockets picked by temporary affiliates of their employees who have a sense of entitlement. Lena is providing her own insurance, so? Stick to the ISSUES, not the dirty laundry.</p>
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		By: Mr. Logic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Razzbar brings up an interesting scenario.  If the amendment passes there will have to be &quot;gender insepectors&quot; at the marriage license bureau.  This could open up a whole new market in the medical community for a below-the-belt look...or we could turn it over to Homeland Security to use one of their new scanners.

Either way it will be a boost to the economy!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razzbar brings up an interesting scenario.  If the amendment passes there will have to be &#8220;gender insepectors&#8221; at the marriage license bureau.  This could open up a whole new market in the medical community for a below-the-belt look&#8230;or we could turn it over to Homeland Security to use one of their new scanners.</p>
<p>Either way it will be a boost to the economy!</p>
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