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		By: Neighbor		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/08/boise-and-achd-launch-rockets/#comment-2303</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George - the fact is that the City DOES NOT CARE about traffic or traffic loads. If you look over virtually every set of minutes from the last 4 years the City Council even states in its own comments that, &quot;they have no control over roads - that is ACHD&#039;s job&quot;. And then they all vote against efforts to control traffic. This is a fact you can research.

The ONLY reason Ustick Road is an issue is because the City DID NOT act on any concern in the begining and got a huge amount of hate mail for it.

Oh - - and next year is an election year - maybe that is the bigger reason - ya think?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George &#8211; the fact is that the City DOES NOT CARE about traffic or traffic loads. If you look over virtually every set of minutes from the last 4 years the City Council even states in its own comments that, &#8220;they have no control over roads &#8211; that is ACHD&#8217;s job&#8221;. And then they all vote against efforts to control traffic. This is a fact you can research.</p>
<p>The ONLY reason Ustick Road is an issue is because the City DID NOT act on any concern in the begining and got a huge amount of hate mail for it.</p>
<p>Oh &#8211; &#8211; and next year is an election year &#8211; maybe that is the bigger reason &#8211; ya think?</p>
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		By: More Monkey Business		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/08/boise-and-achd-launch-rockets/#comment-2302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More Monkey Business]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ELV - - your dreaming...wake up!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ELV &#8211; &#8211; your dreaming&#8230;wake up!</p>
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		By: curious george		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/08/boise-and-achd-launch-rockets/#comment-2301</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is true that current school district policies prohibit school athletic fields from being used for non-school events (eg, youth soccer), unless special circumstances warrant due to percieved liability isses. PC (PLANNED COMMUNITY) developers are mandated to donate all the land required to build the schools which the development&#039;s homes require. This donation is taken into consideration by the districts, and use of the fields are granted for non-school youth athletic events. Costs to maintain the fields are then underwritten by the developer.

The Boise School district assumes that 13 students are generated for every 20 homes; seven of these students would be in elementary school, three in junior high, and three in senior high. Meridian School District assumes a slightly higher student generation rate (bigger families). The Cliffs developer seems to be taking this into account when he agreed to donate an elementary school site within the development, and pay for all busing for kids until such time as the development has enough homesites to demand an on-site school. This would be towards the full build-out of the development, when The Cliffs&#039; families would generate just under 500 elementary school students and just over 200-each of junior &amp; senior high students.

I believe Avimor has been required to donate an elementary school site, and the Avimor and Dry Creek developers will be collaborating to donate a combined junior high &amp; senior high school site. Dry Creek itself, if approved, would also have to donate at least two additional elementary school sites.

The last neighborhood school constructed in the region was the charter school at the Hidden Springs Planned Community. This school gives enrollment priority to families who live in the Dry Creek Valley (mostly Hidden Springs families - though not exclusively), the school site was donated by the HSPC developer, and the bank loan used to pay for the permanent school building was secured by the HSPC developer.

But since the real issue is traffic congestion, even poorly designed Planned Communities are already assessed a lower traffic generation rate by the Institute of Transportation Engineers (7.5 trips per day, versus 9.57 in a conventional suburban development). More well-designed PC&#039;s record even lower traffic generation rates - because the majority of the residents&#039; needs are within walking distance of their homes.

If Boise leaders were really concerned about traffic congestion in existing neighborhoods, they would start to adopt land use patterns that are identical to the county&#039;s Planned Community ordinance. In fact, since I&#039;m sure some of the traffic driving down Ustick isn&#039;t coming from Boise but from parts west, this more-inclusive (non-auto reliant) land use pattern should be embraced by all the towns in the Valley.

Let&#039;s really make development pay for itself.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that current school district policies prohibit school athletic fields from being used for non-school events (eg, youth soccer), unless special circumstances warrant due to percieved liability isses. PC (PLANNED COMMUNITY) developers are mandated to donate all the land required to build the schools which the development&#8217;s homes require. This donation is taken into consideration by the districts, and use of the fields are granted for non-school youth athletic events. Costs to maintain the fields are then underwritten by the developer.</p>
<p>The Boise School district assumes that 13 students are generated for every 20 homes; seven of these students would be in elementary school, three in junior high, and three in senior high. Meridian School District assumes a slightly higher student generation rate (bigger families). The Cliffs developer seems to be taking this into account when he agreed to donate an elementary school site within the development, and pay for all busing for kids until such time as the development has enough homesites to demand an on-site school. This would be towards the full build-out of the development, when The Cliffs&#8217; families would generate just under 500 elementary school students and just over 200-each of junior &#038; senior high students.</p>
<p>I believe Avimor has been required to donate an elementary school site, and the Avimor and Dry Creek developers will be collaborating to donate a combined junior high &#038; senior high school site. Dry Creek itself, if approved, would also have to donate at least two additional elementary school sites.</p>
<p>The last neighborhood school constructed in the region was the charter school at the Hidden Springs Planned Community. This school gives enrollment priority to families who live in the Dry Creek Valley (mostly Hidden Springs families &#8211; though not exclusively), the school site was donated by the HSPC developer, and the bank loan used to pay for the permanent school building was secured by the HSPC developer.</p>
<p>But since the real issue is traffic congestion, even poorly designed Planned Communities are already assessed a lower traffic generation rate by the Institute of Transportation Engineers (7.5 trips per day, versus 9.57 in a conventional suburban development). More well-designed PC&#8217;s record even lower traffic generation rates &#8211; because the majority of the residents&#8217; needs are within walking distance of their homes.</p>
<p>If Boise leaders were really concerned about traffic congestion in existing neighborhoods, they would start to adopt land use patterns that are identical to the county&#8217;s Planned Community ordinance. In fact, since I&#8217;m sure some of the traffic driving down Ustick isn&#8217;t coming from Boise but from parts west, this more-inclusive (non-auto reliant) land use pattern should be embraced by all the towns in the Valley.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s really make development pay for itself.</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/08/boise-and-achd-launch-rockets/#comment-2300</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I have commented before, I fail to see how a so called &quot;planned community&quot; will generate less traffic.  Mom and Dad will still have to drive to work, the kids will have to be taken to school because neighborhood schools are no longer being built.  Soccer practice doesn&#039;t seem to take place at school anyway - I rarely see anyone using the acres of ground that surround every new school.  As far as I can tell every car coming and going from Avimor will follow Highway 55 to State Street and on.  What does that say about being a &quot;planned community?&quot;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have commented before, I fail to see how a so called &#8220;planned community&#8221; will generate less traffic.  Mom and Dad will still have to drive to work, the kids will have to be taken to school because neighborhood schools are no longer being built.  Soccer practice doesn&#8217;t seem to take place at school anyway &#8211; I rarely see anyone using the acres of ground that surround every new school.  As far as I can tell every car coming and going from Avimor will follow Highway 55 to State Street and on.  What does that say about being a &#8220;planned community?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Curious George		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s take the argument to another level.

The average household size in Ada County is 2.54 people, yet each home generates 9.57 vehicle trips per day. So traffic (and its congestion) increases over 3 3/4 times faster than the county&#039;s population.

This &#039;average&#039; family has two working parents, making four vehicle trips per day to get back and forth to work. The rest of the 5 1/2 trips (nearly 60% of all traffic) comes from having to drive the kids around to school &amp; after school activities - and having to drive to buy groceries &amp; clothes, go to the dentist &amp; doctor, go the library, and (if you have time) going to the bar to knock back the occasional beer (or to engage in whatever adult recreation of your choice).

You can see how the majority of traffic impacts are intertwined with the land uses surrounding a person&#039;s home. What if your kid could walk to school &amp; walk to soccer practice, what if the local library was next to your kid&#039;s school, what if the pub was right around the corner from your house, or you could hop on your bike right onto a recreational trail? What if you could run your business right from your home without having to run through the bureaucratic guantlet at your local land use agency - and a high-bandwidth internet connection was brought right to your home at no extra charge?

If all these things could be accomplished, cutting traffic congestion in half could all be done without having to touch (let alone widen) a single existing road. And, what if this could be done without having to spend a single extra penny of tax money.

Yet Boise&#039;s response to the only such developments that could accomplish this goal has been obstructionary. Boise has sued the county over Avimor (which proposes to construct all of the abovementioned community elements), and has issued a Papal Bull objecting to the planned community development at Hammer Flats (which will provide even more such community elements).

Boise&#039;s opposition has nothing to do with being an advocate for responsible growth, or anything to do with protecting its existing neighborhoods. If it was, it would be jumping on the planned community bandwagon. Instead, Boise opposes growth patterns that would reduce traffic through existing neighborhoods - for what reason?

The only reason that I can think of has to do with giving the &#039;impression&#039; that its willing to duke it out for the little guy - as long as it doesn&#039;t actually cost anything. And, &#039;cost&#039; is the key word. Boise is incredibly anxious to increase its tax income, and so far the only local government that seems to have its head screwed on right is Ada County. A planned community out in the county cuts into Boise government&#039;s tax-avarice, and threatens to expose its tremendous indifference to the traffic plight of its citizens.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s take the argument to another level.</p>
<p>The average household size in Ada County is 2.54 people, yet each home generates 9.57 vehicle trips per day. So traffic (and its congestion) increases over 3 3/4 times faster than the county&#8217;s population.</p>
<p>This &#8216;average&#8217; family has two working parents, making four vehicle trips per day to get back and forth to work. The rest of the 5 1/2 trips (nearly 60% of all traffic) comes from having to drive the kids around to school &#038; after school activities &#8211; and having to drive to buy groceries &#038; clothes, go to the dentist &#038; doctor, go the library, and (if you have time) going to the bar to knock back the occasional beer (or to engage in whatever adult recreation of your choice).</p>
<p>You can see how the majority of traffic impacts are intertwined with the land uses surrounding a person&#8217;s home. What if your kid could walk to school &#038; walk to soccer practice, what if the local library was next to your kid&#8217;s school, what if the pub was right around the corner from your house, or you could hop on your bike right onto a recreational trail? What if you could run your business right from your home without having to run through the bureaucratic guantlet at your local land use agency &#8211; and a high-bandwidth internet connection was brought right to your home at no extra charge?</p>
<p>If all these things could be accomplished, cutting traffic congestion in half could all be done without having to touch (let alone widen) a single existing road. And, what if this could be done without having to spend a single extra penny of tax money.</p>
<p>Yet Boise&#8217;s response to the only such developments that could accomplish this goal has been obstructionary. Boise has sued the county over Avimor (which proposes to construct all of the abovementioned community elements), and has issued a Papal Bull objecting to the planned community development at Hammer Flats (which will provide even more such community elements).</p>
<p>Boise&#8217;s opposition has nothing to do with being an advocate for responsible growth, or anything to do with protecting its existing neighborhoods. If it was, it would be jumping on the planned community bandwagon. Instead, Boise opposes growth patterns that would reduce traffic through existing neighborhoods &#8211; for what reason?</p>
<p>The only reason that I can think of has to do with giving the &#8216;impression&#8217; that its willing to duke it out for the little guy &#8211; as long as it doesn&#8217;t actually cost anything. And, &#8216;cost&#8217; is the key word. Boise is incredibly anxious to increase its tax income, and so far the only local government that seems to have its head screwed on right is Ada County. A planned community out in the county cuts into Boise government&#8217;s tax-avarice, and threatens to expose its tremendous indifference to the traffic plight of its citizens.</p>
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		By: JLo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where is there a &quot;Charming&quot; neighborhood along Ustick  between Cole-5mile? The charm ends at Mnt. View Dr.. When the inmates of Ada county are sent out to do the yard work along Ustick because the residents won&#039;t, that&#039;s where the charm ends.
Sure, it may be an easment but I would not allow a jungle at the rear of my property if it was public ground and I had access.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is there a &#8220;Charming&#8221; neighborhood along Ustick  between Cole-5mile? The charm ends at Mnt. View Dr.. When the inmates of Ada county are sent out to do the yard work along Ustick because the residents won&#8217;t, that&#8217;s where the charm ends.<br />
Sure, it may be an easment but I would not allow a jungle at the rear of my property if it was public ground and I had access.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with meglea.

If you think more asphalt will resolve the traffic problems, then Los Angeles is the model.  They&#039;ve sure eliminated all their traffic problems with all those roads, huh?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with meglea.</p>
<p>If you think more asphalt will resolve the traffic problems, then Los Angeles is the model.  They&#8217;ve sure eliminated all their traffic problems with all those roads, huh?</p>
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		By: meglea		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Funny, MikeB, I had exactly the opposite reaction driving down Ustick at both rushes on Tuesday.  I&#039;m seldom over that way, but I was thinking it would be a big mistake to widen Ustick to 5 lanes to accommodate more east-west traffic.  Better to plan for a larger arterial elsewhere that won&#039;t ruin a charming neighborhood and its road.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, MikeB, I had exactly the opposite reaction driving down Ustick at both rushes on Tuesday.  I&#8217;m seldom over that way, but I was thinking it would be a big mistake to widen Ustick to 5 lanes to accommodate more east-west traffic.  Better to plan for a larger arterial elsewhere that won&#8217;t ruin a charming neighborhood and its road.</p>
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		By: Rod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Considering the madness being perpetrated by our leaders at the local, state and federal levels, we should all be looking for places to buy tar and feathers.  Home Depot just came to mind first.  There are probably plenty of locally-owned outlets for those things, not to mention torches and pitchforks.

I just came back from a wedding in Baltimore, and if the local leaders here are trying to make Boise into a city of that size, then I will be looking to buy stuff other than just tar, feathers, torches, and pitchforks, and so should you.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the madness being perpetrated by our leaders at the local, state and federal levels, we should all be looking for places to buy tar and feathers.  Home Depot just came to mind first.  There are probably plenty of locally-owned outlets for those things, not to mention torches and pitchforks.</p>
<p>I just came back from a wedding in Baltimore, and if the local leaders here are trying to make Boise into a city of that size, then I will be looking to buy stuff other than just tar, feathers, torches, and pitchforks, and so should you.</p>
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		By: ELV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This city is correct on this issue.  ACHD should NOT be allowed to build or widen roads within cities without input and cooperation from those cities.  If the Blueprint for Good Growth is going to be effective, then ACHD should have to comply with the city&#039;s comprehensive plan. Otherwise we end up with dissected and disconnected communities, and ACHD running rampant with projects only trying to justify their own existence.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This city is correct on this issue.  ACHD should NOT be allowed to build or widen roads within cities without input and cooperation from those cities.  If the Blueprint for Good Growth is going to be effective, then ACHD should have to comply with the city&#8217;s comprehensive plan. Otherwise we end up with dissected and disconnected communities, and ACHD running rampant with projects only trying to justify their own existence.</p>
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