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		By: Tina		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/23/guardian-state-of-the-city/#comment-2462</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Junkyard - - it seems silly for someone to get positive comments about a problem they created in the first place then they tried to repair it - only after a firestorm of neighborhood outcry.

As for the rundraiser issue - the BG is right on! The Mayor should give his State of the CIty address in one of the high school facilites and it should be free!

The Chamber should AT LEAST donate all the money raised to the foodbank or something. I bet they don&#039;t - again it is all about the money.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Junkyard &#8211; &#8211; it seems silly for someone to get positive comments about a problem they created in the first place then they tried to repair it &#8211; only after a firestorm of neighborhood outcry.</p>
<p>As for the rundraiser issue &#8211; the BG is right on! The Mayor should give his State of the CIty address in one of the high school facilites and it should be free!</p>
<p>The Chamber should AT LEAST donate all the money raised to the foodbank or something. I bet they don&#8217;t &#8211; again it is all about the money.</p>
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		By: TG		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/23/guardian-state-of-the-city/#comment-2461</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oy vey-- Mr. Logic trumps. OK-- we should expect better from &quot;one of us&quot;-- so I guess my question is: as a native son, do we hold him to a higher standard and come down on him all the harder when he fails to live up to it?  Or do we cut him some slack, just because he is a &quot;hometown hero&quot;? I don&#039;t have an answer. Though I&#039;ll admit that I&#039;m more sympathetic to him than some others around here. But I&#039;m a Basque Boise High graduate, so I admit I&#039;m biased.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy vey&#8211; Mr. Logic trumps. OK&#8211; we should expect better from &#8220;one of us&#8221;&#8211; so I guess my question is: as a native son, do we hold him to a higher standard and come down on him all the harder when he fails to live up to it?  Or do we cut him some slack, just because he is a &#8220;hometown hero&#8221;? I don&#8217;t have an answer. Though I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;m more sympathetic to him than some others around here. But I&#8217;m a Basque Boise High graduate, so I admit I&#8217;m biased.</p>
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		By: Mr. Logic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/23/guardian-state-of-the-city/#comment-2460</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Logic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TG--
Your Bieter comments are indeed worthy of a conclusion.  He had great parents, he is a Boise native.  We expect better.  Hence the reason &quot;disappointment&quot; is oft heard.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TG&#8211;<br />
Your Bieter comments are indeed worthy of a conclusion.  He had great parents, he is a Boise native.  We expect better.  Hence the reason &#8220;disappointment&#8221; is oft heard.</p>
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		By: TG		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/23/guardian-state-of-the-city/#comment-2459</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For the most part, I&#039;m in agreement with a lot of the above posts-- especially Junkyard Dog and Slim Jim. But Rod&#039;s post has inspired me to point something out that&#039;s been on my mind for awhile-- look, people, you should no more be drinking and floating the river than you should be drinking and driving. It&#039;s a waterway and it&#039;s dangerous and if you want to navigate it you need to be sharp.  And, yes, I&#039;m a native and I remember the good ol&#039; days when you could slam a six-pack cruising around town or down a fifth as you tubed the river, and maybe when we were a little smaller we could wink at that kind of behavior. But the city&#039;s grown, we&#039;re all adults now, quit whining because you can&#039;t get s***faced on the river anymore. Hey, here&#039;s an idea-- float the river and THEN get wasted!!! All these supposed &quot;adults&quot; saying that they won&#039;t do the float anymore because they can&#039;t drink beer is just pathetic. You know, I would have agreed with you-- when I was 22! And I&#039;m no teetotaller. But there&#039;s a time and a place, and out upon the water is not it.

End of rant. But here&#039;s something else to think about while I&#039;m feeling contrary-- it&#039;s interesting that there&#039;s a strong nativist bent in the comments on The Guardian, as well as a strong Bieter-bashing contingent. But has it occurred to anyone that Bieter himself is a native? His family has deep roots in this community, he&#039;s been here most of his life, and lives in town in a well-established, old neighborhood. Not drawing any conclusions, here. Just sayin&#039;.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part, I&#8217;m in agreement with a lot of the above posts&#8211; especially Junkyard Dog and Slim Jim. But Rod&#8217;s post has inspired me to point something out that&#8217;s been on my mind for awhile&#8211; look, people, you should no more be drinking and floating the river than you should be drinking and driving. It&#8217;s a waterway and it&#8217;s dangerous and if you want to navigate it you need to be sharp.  And, yes, I&#8217;m a native and I remember the good ol&#8217; days when you could slam a six-pack cruising around town or down a fifth as you tubed the river, and maybe when we were a little smaller we could wink at that kind of behavior. But the city&#8217;s grown, we&#8217;re all adults now, quit whining because you can&#8217;t get s***faced on the river anymore. Hey, here&#8217;s an idea&#8211; float the river and THEN get wasted!!! All these supposed &#8220;adults&#8221; saying that they won&#8217;t do the float anymore because they can&#8217;t drink beer is just pathetic. You know, I would have agreed with you&#8211; when I was 22! And I&#8217;m no teetotaller. But there&#8217;s a time and a place, and out upon the water is not it.</p>
<p>End of rant. But here&#8217;s something else to think about while I&#8217;m feeling contrary&#8211; it&#8217;s interesting that there&#8217;s a strong nativist bent in the comments on The Guardian, as well as a strong Bieter-bashing contingent. But has it occurred to anyone that Bieter himself is a native? His family has deep roots in this community, he&#8217;s been here most of his life, and lives in town in a well-established, old neighborhood. Not drawing any conclusions, here. Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Rod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps if the standards for infill development consisted of a one residential unit per acre restriction, that could be considered an accomplishment.  Infill is not an acceptable substitute for sprawl.  Neither are acceptable.

Making alcohol illegal on the river is not an accomplishment, it is an assault on freedom and is unacceptable.

Getting the East Parkcenter Bridge back on track is also a mistake.

And finally, they sell cheesecake at Cheesecake Factory restaurants, and it is pretty good.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if the standards for infill development consisted of a one residential unit per acre restriction, that could be considered an accomplishment.  Infill is not an acceptable substitute for sprawl.  Neither are acceptable.</p>
<p>Making alcohol illegal on the river is not an accomplishment, it is an assault on freedom and is unacceptable.</p>
<p>Getting the East Parkcenter Bridge back on track is also a mistake.</p>
<p>And finally, they sell cheesecake at Cheesecake Factory restaurants, and it is pretty good.</p>
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		By: osprey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 04:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Using your postings as a database I think you did a pretty complete job.  One item missed was the bum rap the city got from the Boston College coach and the misleading reporting from the Idaho Statesman at the MPC banquet.

And I agree you won&#039;t hear much if any of your list at the state of the city in September.  I too wish a broader charitable purpose were the result of the breakfast revenues.  The Chamber&#039;s own members are being held hostage for that event as well as the state of Ada County event.

Here&#039;s a few other things that happened that may or may not have been in the guardian archives:

The city brokered a deal to get the East Parkcenter Bridge back on track and prevent ACHD from dragging the matter into court.

Boise efforts and dollars provided the basis for Senate passage of a 19,000 acre land exchange which will protect permanently more than 4,200 acres of open space in the Boise foothills.  The US House will pass it this fall.

While the Guardian mentions no completed contract with the police union I believe he overlooks that a contract was sealed with the firefighters.

City leaders were part of the community effort in support of the Boise School District bond election, which got 71 percent of the vote versus the &quot;paltry&quot; 57 percent support for new libraries.

The city received a 70 acre park donation from Larry and Marianne Williams, adding another jewel to the Boise River.

Two other great things that have happened for Boise is Kempthorne is gone and Judy Peavey will soon follow.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using your postings as a database I think you did a pretty complete job.  One item missed was the bum rap the city got from the Boston College coach and the misleading reporting from the Idaho Statesman at the MPC banquet.</p>
<p>And I agree you won&#8217;t hear much if any of your list at the state of the city in September.  I too wish a broader charitable purpose were the result of the breakfast revenues.  The Chamber&#8217;s own members are being held hostage for that event as well as the state of Ada County event.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few other things that happened that may or may not have been in the guardian archives:</p>
<p>The city brokered a deal to get the East Parkcenter Bridge back on track and prevent ACHD from dragging the matter into court.</p>
<p>Boise efforts and dollars provided the basis for Senate passage of a 19,000 acre land exchange which will protect permanently more than 4,200 acres of open space in the Boise foothills.  The US House will pass it this fall.</p>
<p>While the Guardian mentions no completed contract with the police union I believe he overlooks that a contract was sealed with the firefighters.</p>
<p>City leaders were part of the community effort in support of the Boise School District bond election, which got 71 percent of the vote versus the &#8220;paltry&#8221; 57 percent support for new libraries.</p>
<p>The city received a 70 acre park donation from Larry and Marianne Williams, adding another jewel to the Boise River.</p>
<p>Two other great things that have happened for Boise is Kempthorne is gone and Judy Peavey will soon follow.</p>
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		By: Slim Jim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, it appears that you all are correct. As much as I agree with the list even the BG must admit that our current Mayor appears to be honest which is far more than can be said about the previous one. There is a lot to be said for that. I will take Team Dave over the Coles Creeps any  day of the week....and so would you.  If I don&#039;t see anyone better on the ballot, it&#039;ll be Team Dave again, just because he is honest.

If this doesn&#039;t sound good, just sit back and remember. Perhaps you could help us Fraz ahhhhh the days of ol&#039; king Coles........
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it appears that you all are correct. As much as I agree with the list even the BG must admit that our current Mayor appears to be honest which is far more than can be said about the previous one. There is a lot to be said for that. I will take Team Dave over the Coles Creeps any  day of the week&#8230;.and so would you.  If I don&#8217;t see anyone better on the ballot, it&#8217;ll be Team Dave again, just because he is honest.</p>
<p>If this doesn&#8217;t sound good, just sit back and remember. Perhaps you could help us Fraz ahhhhh the days of ol&#8217; king Coles&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/23/guardian-state-of-the-city/#comment-2455</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can Team Dave take credit for the &quot;Cheesecake Factory&quot; coming to town?  I know KTVB was ALL OVER that story!  (And Cabela&#039;s, too!  I guess the Missus can drop off the Mister at Cabela&#039;s, and then head for the Cheesecake Factory with the credit card.  Ka-ching!  Ka-ching!)

Exactly what IS the Cheesecake Factory?  Is it something like Hooters?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can Team Dave take credit for the &#8220;Cheesecake Factory&#8221; coming to town?  I know KTVB was ALL OVER that story!  (And Cabela&#8217;s, too!  I guess the Missus can drop off the Mister at Cabela&#8217;s, and then head for the Cheesecake Factory with the credit card.  Ka-ching!  Ka-ching!)</p>
<p>Exactly what IS the Cheesecake Factory?  Is it something like Hooters?<br />
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		By: Thistle		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/23/guardian-state-of-the-city/#comment-2454</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thistle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About the only exception to the Guardian&#039;s list I would make the statement about:

&quot;—Continues to battle with Ada County over land use issues.&quot;

I am not sure the Mayor&#039;s right, but he sure has a company when it comes to fighting the county over land use issues.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the only exception to the Guardian&#8217;s list I would make the statement about:</p>
<p>&#8220;—Continues to battle with Ada County over land use issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not sure the Mayor&#8217;s right, but he sure has a company when it comes to fighting the county over land use issues.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Junkyard Dog gives plaudits to the infill standards, etc.

I&#039;d agree -- except that I&#039;d bet a dollar to a stale doughnut that they don&#039;t mean any more than all the other zoning ordinances, long-term plans, etc.: They apply until somebody with a lot of money wants to do something that violates them. Then, presto: exemptions, conditional-use permits, changes in the rules, or just ignore &#039;em.

Infill is good, though. Otherwise, omygod, there might be a bare spot of ground in the city, which everyone knows is supposed to be completely covered with house, apartments, stores, parking lots, etc. Not one square centimeter for anything open and natural, that&#039;s the mantra.

I agree with the dog, though on the other comments -- especially the one on the P&amp;Z foxes guarding the henhouse (apparently no rules against conflict of interest, eh?), and the one about not wanting to be mayor.

Guess that job&#039;s like president: Gotta be someone smart enough to be able to do it, and stupid enough to be willing to.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Junkyard Dog gives plaudits to the infill standards, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree &#8212; except that I&#8217;d bet a dollar to a stale doughnut that they don&#8217;t mean any more than all the other zoning ordinances, long-term plans, etc.: They apply until somebody with a lot of money wants to do something that violates them. Then, presto: exemptions, conditional-use permits, changes in the rules, or just ignore &#8217;em.</p>
<p>Infill is good, though. Otherwise, omygod, there might be a bare spot of ground in the city, which everyone knows is supposed to be completely covered with house, apartments, stores, parking lots, etc. Not one square centimeter for anything open and natural, that&#8217;s the mantra.</p>
<p>I agree with the dog, though on the other comments &#8212; especially the one on the P&#038;Z foxes guarding the henhouse (apparently no rules against conflict of interest, eh?), and the one about not wanting to be mayor.</p>
<p>Guess that job&#8217;s like president: Gotta be someone smart enough to be able to do it, and stupid enough to be willing to.</p>
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