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		By: Slim Jim		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/30/surface-runoff-into-boise-park/#comment-2510</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 05:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[E-mail addresses in case you need them:

Mayor Council
Werntz.James@epamail.epa.gov; Ryan.Mark@epamail.epa.gov
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E-mail addresses in case you need them:</p>
<p>Mayor Council<br />
<a href="mailto:Werntz.James@epamail.epa.gov">Werntz.James@epamail.epa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:Ryan.Mark@epamail.epa.gov">Ryan.Mark@epamail.epa.gov</a></p>
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		By: Slim Jim		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/30/surface-runoff-into-boise-park/#comment-2509</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Slim Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, just who wants to join me in requesting a compliance inspection by the EPA? I am not certain as to who to ask, so I will just email the Mayor, the Council and the EPA. This way no one will feel left out. I would hate to do that!

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, just who wants to join me in requesting a compliance inspection by the EPA? I am not certain as to who to ask, so I will just email the Mayor, the Council and the EPA. This way no one will feel left out. I would hate to do that!</p>
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		By: BIG		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/30/surface-runoff-into-boise-park/#comment-2508</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The City of Boise and Drainage District #3 (along with Garden City, ITD, ACHD &amp; BSU) are Co-permittees on the local EPA stormwater permit.  The stormwater permit requires that the Co-permittees use a comprehensive master plan to implement and enforce controls to reduce the discharge of pollutants from areas of new development and significant redevelopment.

The stormwater permit also incorporates by reference Title 8, Chapter 15, The City of Boise Storm Water Management and Discharge Control Ordinance (adopted May 2000). City of Boise Section 8-15-03 specifies that to minimize the discharge of pollutants to storm drains new developments and redevelopment projects which require a building permit are required to submit for approval a stormwater management plan.

These stormwater management plans require (among other things) the prevention of any direct discharge of untreated stormwater and nonstormwater either on or off-site; the prevention of increased post-development discharge rates; and the removal of a minimum amount of annual total suspended solids generated from development or redevelopment runoff prior to any off-site discharge.

As usual the city council has the authority to modify the requirements BUT nowhere does it say that Parks can do it on their own. So it appears that the agreement, as reported, with the Crescent Rim Condo development to run the stormwater to Ann Morrison park pond does not meet these requirements.

EPA has been taking a number of enforcement actions in Idaho over the past two years for stormwater discharge violations. So if Crescent Rim development does not have the required stormwater management plan in place prior to construction it would be very easy for any citizen to request a compliance inspection by EPA.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City of Boise and Drainage District #3 (along with Garden City, ITD, ACHD &#038; BSU) are Co-permittees on the local EPA stormwater permit.  The stormwater permit requires that the Co-permittees use a comprehensive master plan to implement and enforce controls to reduce the discharge of pollutants from areas of new development and significant redevelopment.</p>
<p>The stormwater permit also incorporates by reference Title 8, Chapter 15, The City of Boise Storm Water Management and Discharge Control Ordinance (adopted May 2000). City of Boise Section 8-15-03 specifies that to minimize the discharge of pollutants to storm drains new developments and redevelopment projects which require a building permit are required to submit for approval a stormwater management plan.</p>
<p>These stormwater management plans require (among other things) the prevention of any direct discharge of untreated stormwater and nonstormwater either on or off-site; the prevention of increased post-development discharge rates; and the removal of a minimum amount of annual total suspended solids generated from development or redevelopment runoff prior to any off-site discharge.</p>
<p>As usual the city council has the authority to modify the requirements BUT nowhere does it say that Parks can do it on their own. So it appears that the agreement, as reported, with the Crescent Rim Condo development to run the stormwater to Ann Morrison park pond does not meet these requirements.</p>
<p>EPA has been taking a number of enforcement actions in Idaho over the past two years for stormwater discharge violations. So if Crescent Rim development does not have the required stormwater management plan in place prior to construction it would be very easy for any citizen to request a compliance inspection by EPA.</p>
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		By: Slim Jim		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/30/surface-runoff-into-boise-park/#comment-2507</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ok, can anti-freeze, de-icing chemicals and whatever else people dump into parking lots really be filtered out before the water hits the public dump site ie the pulic park?

Has the city really done it&#039;s homework to see if it&#039;s just smoke and mirrors and a well written piece of ..... antifreeze or really checked into the proposed filtration system? You know, with a critical eye as if their children and grandchildren were going to live and play in proximity to the proposed drainage area.  With so much at stake - well just wildlife, ducks, geese and birds at Julia Davis (you just may shoot one of those and feed it to your kids), but in Ann Morrison, the water will dump into Logger&#039;s Creek (?) before it goes into the river. This way the kids can come into contact with the chemicals first hand along with the wild life.
Will the public parks start being off limits for children? &quot;Just stay in the house kiddies and we will go play at the gym later.&quot;

Developers cannot be trusted...and this one has been particularly sleezy in his dealing with the city. Bounce him back to where he came from. Oh, yeah, we are only the citizens of this city, we don&#039;t have a say it what goes on in it.

Time to start emailing City Hall (beat you to it, HH) before it&#039;s too late.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, can anti-freeze, de-icing chemicals and whatever else people dump into parking lots really be filtered out before the water hits the public dump site ie the pulic park?</p>
<p>Has the city really done it&#8217;s homework to see if it&#8217;s just smoke and mirrors and a well written piece of &#8230;.. antifreeze or really checked into the proposed filtration system? You know, with a critical eye as if their children and grandchildren were going to live and play in proximity to the proposed drainage area.  With so much at stake &#8211; well just wildlife, ducks, geese and birds at Julia Davis (you just may shoot one of those and feed it to your kids), but in Ann Morrison, the water will dump into Logger&#8217;s Creek (?) before it goes into the river. This way the kids can come into contact with the chemicals first hand along with the wild life.<br />
Will the public parks start being off limits for children? &#8220;Just stay in the house kiddies and we will go play at the gym later.&#8221;</p>
<p>Developers cannot be trusted&#8230;and this one has been particularly sleezy in his dealing with the city. Bounce him back to where he came from. Oh, yeah, we are only the citizens of this city, we don&#8217;t have a say it what goes on in it.</p>
<p>Time to start emailing City Hall (beat you to it, HH) before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		By: JEC		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/30/surface-runoff-into-boise-park/#comment-2506</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Same thing happened in Eagle, developer Bob Moffit dumped his parking lot runoff from a 5 acre development into a canal that feeds directly into the Boise River less than a mile below---bet the trout LOVE all those asphault tailings......who is monitoring this stuff?????Dept of Water Rescarces????
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing happened in Eagle, developer Bob Moffit dumped his parking lot runoff from a 5 acre development into a canal that feeds directly into the Boise River less than a mile below&#8212;bet the trout LOVE all those asphault tailings&#8230;&#8230;who is monitoring this stuff?????Dept of Water Rescarces????</p>
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		By: Rod		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/30/surface-runoff-into-boise-park/#comment-2505</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m working in eastern Idaho weekdays for a while but I see the local politicians are still up to their old tricks.  I imagine our local politicians are dreaming of moving up to the big leagues where they can screw up the whole world rather than just Boise and Ada County.  Rumsfeld is a good mentor for them. They can learn from Rumsfeld how to justify the unjustifiable.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working in eastern Idaho weekdays for a while but I see the local politicians are still up to their old tricks.  I imagine our local politicians are dreaming of moving up to the big leagues where they can screw up the whole world rather than just Boise and Ada County.  Rumsfeld is a good mentor for them. They can learn from Rumsfeld how to justify the unjustifiable.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/30/surface-runoff-into-boise-park/#comment-2504</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[
Oh, man! It&#039;s amazing how our officials can keep coming up, time after time, with new ways to ignore, screw with, screw up and/or outright ignore the law, rules and public.

BTW, what ever happened to the guy who was collecting tar and feathers? We need him!!!!



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, man! It&#8217;s amazing how our officials can keep coming up, time after time, with new ways to ignore, screw with, screw up and/or outright ignore the law, rules and public.</p>
<p>BTW, what ever happened to the guy who was collecting tar and feathers? We need him!!!!</p>
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		By: WOW		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/08/30/surface-runoff-into-boise-park/#comment-2503</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do they know that 1 CFS is 448 gals per MINUTE and 26,930 gals in just one hour? If something gets flooded who is liable? The Drainage District? The City? And then it all flows into the river.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they know that 1 CFS is 448 gals per MINUTE and 26,930 gals in just one hour? If something gets flooded who is liable? The Drainage District? The City? And then it all flows into the river.</p>
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