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		By: Dwight Tovey		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/10/20/bikers-need-enforcement-too/#comment-3145</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kip Wills said that he would get the word out to other Boise officers &quot;to take the time and at the least issue warnings when they see dangerous and/or illegal behavior regarding bicyclists.&quot;  Has that happened yet?  The reason I ask is that today at about 4:00PM I was riding westbound on Emerald when a young woman on  a bike passed me while I was waiting at the red light at Curtis.  I was about the 4th vehicle in line, and a Boise Police officer was the 2nd vehicle.  The young woman briefly stopped, then ran the light right in front of eastbound traffic that was turning left.  She then proceeded on up Emerald.  The BPD officer passed her on the overpass, and kept on going.  He had the perfect opportunity to stop her and at least have a chat, but he just kept on going.

I almost caught up with her at Cole, but she again ran the red light, again right in front of traffic turning left.  This time the motorists definately had to hit their brakes to avoid hitting her.  Then to top it off at Milwaukee she rode up to the light in the bike lane that is on the left side of the right-turn-only lane, then turned right onto Milwaukee, directly in front of a SUV that was in the process of making a right turn.  She then cut across Milwaukee into REI, where I went in and chewed her out for giving bicyclists such a good name.  Her excuse was that she was late for work.  That makes it OK to be reckless?

And how much time did this reckless behavior really save her, especially since this pot-bellied, balding, middle-aged gray-beard kept catching up with her?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip Wills said that he would get the word out to other Boise officers &#8220;to take the time and at the least issue warnings when they see dangerous and/or illegal behavior regarding bicyclists.&#8221;  Has that happened yet?  The reason I ask is that today at about 4:00PM I was riding westbound on Emerald when a young woman on  a bike passed me while I was waiting at the red light at Curtis.  I was about the 4th vehicle in line, and a Boise Police officer was the 2nd vehicle.  The young woman briefly stopped, then ran the light right in front of eastbound traffic that was turning left.  She then proceeded on up Emerald.  The BPD officer passed her on the overpass, and kept on going.  He had the perfect opportunity to stop her and at least have a chat, but he just kept on going.</p>
<p>I almost caught up with her at Cole, but she again ran the red light, again right in front of traffic turning left.  This time the motorists definately had to hit their brakes to avoid hitting her.  Then to top it off at Milwaukee she rode up to the light in the bike lane that is on the left side of the right-turn-only lane, then turned right onto Milwaukee, directly in front of a SUV that was in the process of making a right turn.  She then cut across Milwaukee into REI, where I went in and chewed her out for giving bicyclists such a good name.  Her excuse was that she was late for work.  That makes it OK to be reckless?</p>
<p>And how much time did this reckless behavior really save her, especially since this pot-bellied, balding, middle-aged gray-beard kept catching up with her?</p>
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		By: Dwight Tovey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John asked why we don&#039;t have a &quot;defensive driving program for bicycles&quot; (I assume that he means for bicyclists - I never did have much luck trying to train a bicycle).  There actually is a bike safety course, developed by the League of American Bicyclists (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/education/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/education/&lt;/a&gt; for more info).  There are even two instructors in the Treasure Valley: myself in Meridian and Paul Greear in Nampa.

I&#039;ll admit that we don&#039;t do a very good job of promoting the class though: I&#039;m lousy at marketing.  However the Treasure Valley Cycling Alliance (TVCA) has recently started helping with that.  We recently put on a class in Boise, and plans are in the works to hold more classes in the spring.

If you are interested in taking the class, keep an eye on the TVCA website: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biketreasurevalley.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.biketreasurevalley.org/&lt;/a&gt;  We&#039;ll post the schedules for the classes there.  Or even better, come join the TVCA an help us work on making bicycling better in the Treasure Valley.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John asked why we don&#8217;t have a &#8220;defensive driving program for bicycles&#8221; (I assume that he means for bicyclists &#8211; I never did have much luck trying to train a bicycle).  There actually is a bike safety course, developed by the League of American Bicyclists (see <a href="http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/education/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/education/</a> for more info).  There are even two instructors in the Treasure Valley: myself in Meridian and Paul Greear in Nampa.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit that we don&#8217;t do a very good job of promoting the class though: I&#8217;m lousy at marketing.  However the Treasure Valley Cycling Alliance (TVCA) has recently started helping with that.  We recently put on a class in Boise, and plans are in the works to hold more classes in the spring.</p>
<p>If you are interested in taking the class, keep an eye on the TVCA website: <a href="http://www.biketreasurevalley.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.biketreasurevalley.org/</a>  We&#8217;ll post the schedules for the classes there.  Or even better, come join the TVCA an help us work on making bicycling better in the Treasure Valley.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George... Idaho&#039;s bike LAWS are great, IMO... just rarely enforced except when an accident happens.  (What&#039;s the value of an unenforced law?)  Boise&#039;s bike infrastructure is great, too... there are very few roads I don&#039;t feel comfortable on.

Cyclists can coast through a stop sign (yielding, of course).  Cyclists must stop at a red light.  Then they can proceed cautiously after yielding.  (It was intended as a work-around to non-responsive signals, NOT to allow cyclists to ignore the light.  If cars are waiting for a light to turn green, I will ALWAYS wait with them.  I&#039;d rather work with motorists who don&#039;t resent my presence.  Gomers on bikes give ALL cyclists a black eye.)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George&#8230; Idaho&#8217;s bike LAWS are great, IMO&#8230; just rarely enforced except when an accident happens.  (What&#8217;s the value of an unenforced law?)  Boise&#8217;s bike infrastructure is great, too&#8230; there are very few roads I don&#8217;t feel comfortable on.</p>
<p>Cyclists can coast through a stop sign (yielding, of course).  Cyclists must stop at a red light.  Then they can proceed cautiously after yielding.  (It was intended as a work-around to non-responsive signals, NOT to allow cyclists to ignore the light.  If cars are waiting for a light to turn green, I will ALWAYS wait with them.  I&#8217;d rather work with motorists who don&#8217;t resent my presence.  Gomers on bikes give ALL cyclists a black eye.)</p>
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		By: john		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the reasons we have bicycle accidents is because so many people regard bikes as toys for fun and not viable, lawful transportation. We have the Stars program for motorcycles. Why not a defensive driving course for bicycles?

I think a lot of Idahoans would complain because for the most part, the drivers here wish the bikes were not using any road. I doubt I would commute to work on my bike in traffic here if there was not a Greenbelt. I have had too many ugly drivers rage at me for just using the road. I wish the canal roads could be paved and used for bike traffic.

One also has to remember that risk is involved when using two wheel transportation. Here in Boise, just being a pedestrian is a risky form of transportation.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons we have bicycle accidents is because so many people regard bikes as toys for fun and not viable, lawful transportation. We have the Stars program for motorcycles. Why not a defensive driving course for bicycles?</p>
<p>I think a lot of Idahoans would complain because for the most part, the drivers here wish the bikes were not using any road. I doubt I would commute to work on my bike in traffic here if there was not a Greenbelt. I have had too many ugly drivers rage at me for just using the road. I wish the canal roads could be paved and used for bike traffic.</p>
<p>One also has to remember that risk is involved when using two wheel transportation. Here in Boise, just being a pedestrian is a risky form of transportation.</p>
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		By: curious george		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/10/20/bikers-need-enforcement-too/#comment-3141</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bikeboy,

Idaho actually has one of the more progressive bicycle statutes on the books, 49-720 - pretty regularly quoted by out-of-state bicycle advocacy groups looking for similar statutes.

This state law permits bicyclist to proceed through red lights after assessing the safety of the situation (sort of like treating it as a flashing red) - and even taking right-turns-on-reds and left-hand turns onto to one-ways against reds, if the intersection is clear.

I ride a bike pretty regularly, and have the scars to prove it (three facial &amp; dental reconstructive surgeries from one accident - the hardway to learn the value of a helmet). But what&#039;s tough on cyclists in downtown is the number of one-way streets and alleys. If we could just adopt a  ride-on-the-right regardless of the direction of motor traffic, it would be a lot easier.

Who knows, maybe I lost more brain cells than skin &amp; bone in my accident...
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikeboy,</p>
<p>Idaho actually has one of the more progressive bicycle statutes on the books, 49-720 &#8211; pretty regularly quoted by out-of-state bicycle advocacy groups looking for similar statutes.</p>
<p>This state law permits bicyclist to proceed through red lights after assessing the safety of the situation (sort of like treating it as a flashing red) &#8211; and even taking right-turns-on-reds and left-hand turns onto to one-ways against reds, if the intersection is clear.</p>
<p>I ride a bike pretty regularly, and have the scars to prove it (three facial &#038; dental reconstructive surgeries from one accident &#8211; the hardway to learn the value of a helmet). But what&#8217;s tough on cyclists in downtown is the number of one-way streets and alleys. If we could just adopt a  ride-on-the-right regardless of the direction of motor traffic, it would be a lot easier.</p>
<p>Who knows, maybe I lost more brain cells than skin &#038; bone in my accident&#8230;</p>
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		By: junkyard dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/10/20/bikers-need-enforcement-too/#comment-3140</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with what everyone else has posted and recall, too, as a kid those annual inspections and licensing and so forth for those of us who rode bikes.
However, one thing to remember is that kids simply will be kids and are very unpredictable. This is why residential and school zones have 20 mph speed limits and why motorists must be ever vigilant in these areas.

I can&#039;t count the number of times I&#039;ve had kids swerve directly in the path of my car -- and avoided hitting them because I was going the posted 20 mph speed limit and was anticipating they might do something foolish.

All the training in the world isn&#039;t going to prevent kids (particularly adolescent boys) from horsing around and all motorists have a responsibility to drive defensively, especially in areas that are school routes.

Getting back to Joe&#039;s comment about the licensing, as a kid, I rode my bike every where and never got hit, nor do I recall anyone else getting hit either.  BUT back then, motorists drove the speed limit, yielded to kids on bikes, stopped at crosswalks, slowed down when passing cyclists, stayed in one lane instead of changing every 5 seconds, and didn&#039;t race through red lights without looking.

Ada County motorists are the worst drivers I have ever seen in my life and if any education needs to happen, it has to start with the people behind the steering wheels.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what everyone else has posted and recall, too, as a kid those annual inspections and licensing and so forth for those of us who rode bikes.<br />
However, one thing to remember is that kids simply will be kids and are very unpredictable. This is why residential and school zones have 20 mph speed limits and why motorists must be ever vigilant in these areas.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t count the number of times I&#8217;ve had kids swerve directly in the path of my car &#8212; and avoided hitting them because I was going the posted 20 mph speed limit and was anticipating they might do something foolish.</p>
<p>All the training in the world isn&#8217;t going to prevent kids (particularly adolescent boys) from horsing around and all motorists have a responsibility to drive defensively, especially in areas that are school routes.</p>
<p>Getting back to Joe&#8217;s comment about the licensing, as a kid, I rode my bike every where and never got hit, nor do I recall anyone else getting hit either.  BUT back then, motorists drove the speed limit, yielded to kids on bikes, stopped at crosswalks, slowed down when passing cyclists, stayed in one lane instead of changing every 5 seconds, and didn&#8217;t race through red lights without looking.</p>
<p>Ada County motorists are the worst drivers I have ever seen in my life and if any education needs to happen, it has to start with the people behind the steering wheels.</p>
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		By: Joe Moran		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember when I was in grammer school, all the &quot; cool&quot; kids rode a bike to school.There were yearly annual inspections of our bikes and licensing.  Every kid had a book of bike safety that they had to read and there were very few accidents ( this area was 10 miles due west of NYC.  It was a smaller town but there were traffic cops at every school crossing and primary importance was given to getting the children to and from school safely.

In contrast, Boise is a large city, where everyone owns a car, but with streets made for the 1950&#039;s.  Rush hours resemble NASCAR rallies and the downtown area often looks like a parking lot.  The mayor and city council should ask the police  to see that all bike riders are helmeted and obey all traffic laws or be fined .  We have, since Bush took over a plurality of police agency&#039;s; perhaps one of them could be put to work on the above.  The life you save by doing something positive here  might be someone in your family!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I was in grammer school, all the &#8221; cool&#8221; kids rode a bike to school.There were yearly annual inspections of our bikes and licensing.  Every kid had a book of bike safety that they had to read and there were very few accidents ( this area was 10 miles due west of NYC.  It was a smaller town but there were traffic cops at every school crossing and primary importance was given to getting the children to and from school safely.</p>
<p>In contrast, Boise is a large city, where everyone owns a car, but with streets made for the 1950&#8217;s.  Rush hours resemble NASCAR rallies and the downtown area often looks like a parking lot.  The mayor and city council should ask the police  to see that all bike riders are helmeted and obey all traffic laws or be fined .  We have, since Bush took over a plurality of police agency&#8217;s; perhaps one of them could be put to work on the above.  The life you save by doing something positive here  might be someone in your family!</p>
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		By: kip wills		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that more enforcement of bicycle laws would be one component of a safety program.  However, we in traffic enforcement refer to this as the 3 E&#039;s (Education, Enforcement and Engineering) Better engineered bike lanes, better education for both bicyclists and drivers and then stepped up enforcement efforts.  I do know though that several of the day traffic officers with BPD do stop bicyclists routinely for violations.  I would say that the number is lower than what everyone would like to see but there is some enforcement.  One of the things that we at BPD face though is manpower shortage.  Due to limited manpower the neighborhood traffic team (A Sgt. and 8 officers) had to be reassigned to patrol duties over a year ago.

Compared to cities our size using any generally accepted numbers we are 50-100 officers behind where we should be. (Goes back to that growth thing!) With all of that being said I still maintain that we can do better and I will make an effort to get the word out to our officers to take the time and at the least issue warnings when they see dangerous and/or illegal behavior regarding bicyclists. If you have specific concerns regarding areas of town, etc. that are repetitive please feel free to  call BPD and leave me a message and I will help where I can.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that more enforcement of bicycle laws would be one component of a safety program.  However, we in traffic enforcement refer to this as the 3 E&#8217;s (Education, Enforcement and Engineering) Better engineered bike lanes, better education for both bicyclists and drivers and then stepped up enforcement efforts.  I do know though that several of the day traffic officers with BPD do stop bicyclists routinely for violations.  I would say that the number is lower than what everyone would like to see but there is some enforcement.  One of the things that we at BPD face though is manpower shortage.  Due to limited manpower the neighborhood traffic team (A Sgt. and 8 officers) had to be reassigned to patrol duties over a year ago.</p>
<p>Compared to cities our size using any generally accepted numbers we are 50-100 officers behind where we should be. (Goes back to that growth thing!) With all of that being said I still maintain that we can do better and I will make an effort to get the word out to our officers to take the time and at the least issue warnings when they see dangerous and/or illegal behavior regarding bicyclists. If you have specific concerns regarding areas of town, etc. that are repetitive please feel free to  call BPD and leave me a message and I will help where I can.</p>
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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About two weeks ago, St. Lukes and various other agencies, sponsored &quot;bike rodeos&quot; at two local middle schools. Bike inspections, qualifying courses and coaching by one of the local bicycle groups were provided. Helmets were required to be on the course and if a participant didn&#039;t have one, they could purchase one for 5 bucks. Brand new!   The turn out wasn&#039;t that great but it is definitely a worth while program.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About two weeks ago, St. Lukes and various other agencies, sponsored &#8220;bike rodeos&#8221; at two local middle schools. Bike inspections, qualifying courses and coaching by one of the local bicycle groups were provided. Helmets were required to be on the course and if a participant didn&#8217;t have one, they could purchase one for 5 bucks. Brand new!   The turn out wasn&#8217;t that great but it is definitely a worth while program.</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It feels really strange to say this but it actually felt safer to ride a bike in San Francisco than in Boise.  After I moved back here I had a few too close calls with mirrors on pickup trucks and really inattentive driving.  I can&#039;t ride a bike anymore but even if I could I would choose my route very carefully.

Why bikers like Hill Road is beyond me - it is seriously unsafe because of the narrowness of the bike lane. I use that road a lot, in my car,  and try to give the bikers all the room they need, even if I have to go really slow for awhile until there is room to pass safely. I have seen some really odd behavior on the part of bikers too.  All I can say is that they need to remember that cars have a really big weight advantage - don&#039;t take chances even if you are in the right. And thanks for not adding pollution to the valley.  :)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It feels really strange to say this but it actually felt safer to ride a bike in San Francisco than in Boise.  After I moved back here I had a few too close calls with mirrors on pickup trucks and really inattentive driving.  I can&#8217;t ride a bike anymore but even if I could I would choose my route very carefully.</p>
<p>Why bikers like Hill Road is beyond me &#8211; it is seriously unsafe because of the narrowness of the bike lane. I use that road a lot, in my car,  and try to give the bikers all the room they need, even if I have to go really slow for awhile until there is room to pass safely. I have seen some really odd behavior on the part of bikers too.  All I can say is that they need to remember that cars have a really big weight advantage &#8211; don&#8217;t take chances even if you are in the right. And thanks for not adding pollution to the valley.  🙂</p>
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