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		By: Inside City Hall		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/11/29/ccdc-gets-windfall-from-schools/#comment-3553</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inside City Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This Council and mayor will not get rid of the CCDC - It is their best tool to cut deals with developers and stay outside the bounds of the City rules.

Why give up give up your best tool to go around the voters and have a never ending flow of cash?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Council and mayor will not get rid of the CCDC &#8211; It is their best tool to cut deals with developers and stay outside the bounds of the City rules.</p>
<p>Why give up give up your best tool to go around the voters and have a never ending flow of cash?</p>
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		By: Wonk Vader		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/11/29/ccdc-gets-windfall-from-schools/#comment-3552</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wonk Vader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, it sure would be interesting to see if CCDC would be eager to deal with poor people. They&#039;ve done a great job so far downtown, but they&#039;ve largely dealt with the movers and shakers, not the moved and the shaken. It would require a big re-orientation of the CCDC&#039;s mission for it to deal with people who are largely poor and vulnerable.

Tam makes a good point about not necessarily needing a URA to do these things. On the other hand, I think some of these landowners would be perfectly content to sit on a trailer park slum and wait until a lucrative offer comes along to sell, then boot everyone off when it comes time to sell. A URA could, if necessary, exercise eminent domain, force the landowner to sell, and then have a developer build decent, dignified low-income housing on the land.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it sure would be interesting to see if CCDC would be eager to deal with poor people. They&#8217;ve done a great job so far downtown, but they&#8217;ve largely dealt with the movers and shakers, not the moved and the shaken. It would require a big re-orientation of the CCDC&#8217;s mission for it to deal with people who are largely poor and vulnerable.</p>
<p>Tam makes a good point about not necessarily needing a URA to do these things. On the other hand, I think some of these landowners would be perfectly content to sit on a trailer park slum and wait until a lucrative offer comes along to sell, then boot everyone off when it comes time to sell. A URA could, if necessary, exercise eminent domain, force the landowner to sell, and then have a developer build decent, dignified low-income housing on the land.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/11/29/ccdc-gets-windfall-from-schools/#comment-3551</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CCDC is looking to expand elsewhere in the city and those approvals should come with some measurable goals.  We would then know when those goals are reached, they are doing their job successfully.

Here is a quote from an article on Public Authorities and I think it sums up the problems with organizations like the CCDC.  &quot;Public authorities are the Enrons of state government, New York State Attorney General Elliot Spitzer charged in a speech last year, &quot;hiding spots, breeding grounds for inertia, incompetence and, at times, worse.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/20040412/200/946&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/20040412/200/946&lt;/a&gt;


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCDC is looking to expand elsewhere in the city and those approvals should come with some measurable goals.  We would then know when those goals are reached, they are doing their job successfully.</p>
<p>Here is a quote from an article on Public Authorities and I think it sums up the problems with organizations like the CCDC.  &#8220;Public authorities are the Enrons of state government, New York State Attorney General Elliot Spitzer charged in a speech last year, &#8220;hiding spots, breeding grounds for inertia, incompetence and, at times, worse.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/20040412/200/946" rel="nofollow">http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/20040412/200/946</a></p>
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		By: Sharon Ullman		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/11/29/ccdc-gets-windfall-from-schools/#comment-3550</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Ullman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The extra $1.75 million CCDC will be collecting would be more than enough - and then some - to offset the revenue they collect for parking at the Ada County Courthouse.  So how about it, CCDC folks, free public parking at the Courthouse?!

Granted, it might be necessary to build a new parking structure to serve all the additional cars that now park at Winco, on the street, etc, to avoid the Courthouse parking situation, but even that would be doable with so much extra revenue.  :-)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The extra $1.75 million CCDC will be collecting would be more than enough &#8211; and then some &#8211; to offset the revenue they collect for parking at the Ada County Courthouse.  So how about it, CCDC folks, free public parking at the Courthouse?!</p>
<p>Granted, it might be necessary to build a new parking structure to serve all the additional cars that now park at Winco, on the street, etc, to avoid the Courthouse parking situation, but even that would be doable with so much extra revenue.  🙂</p>
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		By: Tam		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/11/29/ccdc-gets-windfall-from-schools/#comment-3549</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again, I hope I understand this correctly.  Wonk brings a good point about developers purchasing &quot;trailer parks&quot; and the displacement issues this causes for those least able to cope.  A City can declare an area &quot;Slum and Blight&quot; which makes it eligible for Federal funding and grants to assist owners in avoiding homelessness.  A Slum and Blight area does NOT NEED to be part of a URD to be eligible for funds.  I believe that Sage Community Development assisted the residents of one such park recently with financial assistance, and it didn&#039;t have anything to do with URD.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I hope I understand this correctly.  Wonk brings a good point about developers purchasing &#8220;trailer parks&#8221; and the displacement issues this causes for those least able to cope.  A City can declare an area &#8220;Slum and Blight&#8221; which makes it eligible for Federal funding and grants to assist owners in avoiding homelessness.  A Slum and Blight area does NOT NEED to be part of a URD to be eligible for funds.  I believe that Sage Community Development assisted the residents of one such park recently with financial assistance, and it didn&#8217;t have anything to do with URD.</p>
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		By: Wonk Vader		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/11/29/ccdc-gets-windfall-from-schools/#comment-3548</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wonk Vader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clancy, you raise a really good point. Downtown is pretty much done from what I can see and, judging by the photo at the top of this Web page, the CCDC has done a great job with it. It&#039;s time to move on to other parts of the city that really need help.

I&#039;d like to see the CCDC deal with the increasing problem of trailer parks being bought out and their occupants (usually old/poor/disabled) evicted. State code allowes for urban renewal in areas considered &quot;blighted.&quot; Trailer parks are the closest things we have to slums around here - if anything qualifies for urban renewal TLC, it&#039;s them.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clancy, you raise a really good point. Downtown is pretty much done from what I can see and, judging by the photo at the top of this Web page, the CCDC has done a great job with it. It&#8217;s time to move on to other parts of the city that really need help.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see the CCDC deal with the increasing problem of trailer parks being bought out and their occupants (usually old/poor/disabled) evicted. State code allowes for urban renewal in areas considered &#8220;blighted.&#8221; Trailer parks are the closest things we have to slums around here &#8211; if anything qualifies for urban renewal TLC, it&#8217;s them.</p>
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		By: Mr. Logic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2006/11/29/ccdc-gets-windfall-from-schools/#comment-3547</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Logic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wonk, you reveal more about yourself than any of us care to know.  My reference to &quot;taking money from local government&quot; was the revenues diverted to CCDC which deserve to go to local government.

Government money going to you I am certain would be insignificant by any measure.  Far from obsessed, I care not your activities or involvements.  I will maintain my credibility and reputation anonymously thanks.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonk, you reveal more about yourself than any of us care to know.  My reference to &#8220;taking money from local government&#8221; was the revenues diverted to CCDC which deserve to go to local government.</p>
<p>Government money going to you I am certain would be insignificant by any measure.  Far from obsessed, I care not your activities or involvements.  I will maintain my credibility and reputation anonymously thanks.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is one unanswered question.  When does CCDC&#039;s mission/charter be deemed complete?  Most urban renewal districts eventually expire as they have accomplished the objective that they were created for.

Downtown Boise seems to be revitalized by the completion of projects like BODO, parking garages and new buildings galore.  Is it now time for private business to take over with this foundation laid by CCDC.

EDITOR NOTE--They continue to expand with River Street and West End districts, as well as refinance the original.  We see no end EVER.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one unanswered question.  When does CCDC&#8217;s mission/charter be deemed complete?  Most urban renewal districts eventually expire as they have accomplished the objective that they were created for.</p>
<p>Downtown Boise seems to be revitalized by the completion of projects like BODO, parking garages and new buildings galore.  Is it now time for private business to take over with this foundation laid by CCDC.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;They continue to expand with River Street and West End districts, as well as refinance the original.  We see no end EVER.</p>
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		By: Wonk Vader		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wonk Vader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well put, Tam.

In fact, one would hope that by increasing the amount of money going to pay off the urban renewal bonds, they could be paid off sooner. Then, all the monies now going to pay off the bonds would go to police, fire, schools, etc., which they never would have received if the urban renewal plan were never accomplished. People are under some impression the money goes to enrich the CCDC employees personally, when it really goes to service public infrastructure improvements (parking garages, streetscape, landscaping, etc.).

Urban renewal plans are a long-term investment in the tax base of a city. Hang in there, enjoy the nice downtown depicted in the masthead photo above, pay off the bonds, and we&#039;ll all have a better city in a few decades.

Mr. Logic, you&#039;re obsessed with my work (although you forget to mention I also assist neighborhood associations) and take every cheap shot you get to try and discount my standing to speak here. May I ask, what do you do for a living, or what did you do if you are now retired? No dodging, please.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Tam.</p>
<p>In fact, one would hope that by increasing the amount of money going to pay off the urban renewal bonds, they could be paid off sooner. Then, all the monies now going to pay off the bonds would go to police, fire, schools, etc., which they never would have received if the urban renewal plan were never accomplished. People are under some impression the money goes to enrich the CCDC employees personally, when it really goes to service public infrastructure improvements (parking garages, streetscape, landscaping, etc.).</p>
<p>Urban renewal plans are a long-term investment in the tax base of a city. Hang in there, enjoy the nice downtown depicted in the masthead photo above, pay off the bonds, and we&#8217;ll all have a better city in a few decades.</p>
<p>Mr. Logic, you&#8217;re obsessed with my work (although you forget to mention I also assist neighborhood associations) and take every cheap shot you get to try and discount my standing to speak here. May I ask, what do you do for a living, or what did you do if you are now retired? No dodging, please.</p>
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		By: Tam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. L.  I don&#039;t think the schools are losing 350k.  If I understand tax increment financing, the taxes collected on any increases in value inside the URD stay with the agency to use to complete their Urban Renewal Plan.

The only exception was heretofor that School Districts were allowed their revenue for M and O from the tax increment.  Now that School M and O has been taken FROM the property tax rolls, the URD has no one with whom they must share the booty, if you will.

For small URDs with a solid plan and a respectable shelf life this change is a real boon and will help small towns throughout the State.

For large Development Corporations with perpetual and seemingly endless lists of &quot;projects&quot;, it places an additional burden on those who live within the jurisdiction, but outside the URD.

TAM--Nicely said.  Schools don&#039;t lose, CCDC gains.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. L.  I don&#8217;t think the schools are losing 350k.  If I understand tax increment financing, the taxes collected on any increases in value inside the URD stay with the agency to use to complete their Urban Renewal Plan.</p>
<p>The only exception was heretofor that School Districts were allowed their revenue for M and O from the tax increment.  Now that School M and O has been taken FROM the property tax rolls, the URD has no one with whom they must share the booty, if you will.</p>
<p>For small URDs with a solid plan and a respectable shelf life this change is a real boon and will help small towns throughout the State.</p>
<p>For large Development Corporations with perpetual and seemingly endless lists of &#8220;projects&#8221;, it places an additional burden on those who live within the jurisdiction, but outside the URD.</p>
<p>TAM&#8211;Nicely said.  Schools don&#8217;t lose, CCDC gains.</p>
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