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		By: Joe Vandal		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/02/28/barefoot-and-pregnant-in-the-kitchen/#comment-4357</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Vandal]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[This disgusted me when I first read about it.

However, I became outraged when four of these legislators tried to justify their reasons in today&#039;s post register op-ed section.

I wrote an article that clearly lays out their hypocrisy.

Please comment, and especially use the Share feature to email two of those legislators and ask them to answer the charges of hypocrisy.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://idahofallz.com/2007/03/08/legislators-reveal-their-hypocrisy-in-family-values/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://idahofallz.com/2007/03/08/legislators-reveal-their-hypocrisy-in-family-values/&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This disgusted me when I first read about it.</p>
<p>However, I became outraged when four of these legislators tried to justify their reasons in today&#8217;s post register op-ed section.</p>
<p>I wrote an article that clearly lays out their hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Please comment, and especially use the Share feature to email two of those legislators and ask them to answer the charges of hypocrisy.</p>
<p><a href="http://idahofallz.com/2007/03/08/legislators-reveal-their-hypocrisy-in-family-values/" rel="nofollow">http://idahofallz.com/2007/03/08/legislators-reveal-their-hypocrisy-in-family-values/</a></p>
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		By: Naznarreb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Naznarreb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an idea that I think could apply to many of the state licenses that Bikeboy mentioned: the state issues licenses a) for revenue and b) because it&#039;s something easy to do that they can point at and say, &quot;Look! We&#039;re protecting you from shady business&#039; by requiring them to be licensed! Now you can be sure they&#039;re well trained in their field!&quot;

I&#039;ll skip the argument about how people still come across all kinds of &quot;licensed&quot; shady business&#039; and get to my idea: make it an optional certification.  If a business wants to, they can become &quot;certified&quot; by the state and be able to display a plaque or something (like BBB or Chamber of Commerce members) people who don&#039;t feel the need or have the money to become certified are free to skip it.

Consumers would then have a choice. If certification was important to you (in daycares, for example) you&#039;d seek out those business&#039; that are certified, if it wasn&#039;t (barbers), you&#039;d just go wherever it was more convenient. Certified business&#039; could point at their certification as something important for their customers, and uncertified business&#039; might be able to offer lower prices (not having to pay for an annual certification) or being able to offer products/services/techniques that lie outside the bounds of official certification.

The market would determine which type of business will be more popular and profitable.

This way everybody wins!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea that I think could apply to many of the state licenses that Bikeboy mentioned: the state issues licenses a) for revenue and b) because it&#8217;s something easy to do that they can point at and say, &#8220;Look! We&#8217;re protecting you from shady business&#8217; by requiring them to be licensed! Now you can be sure they&#8217;re well trained in their field!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll skip the argument about how people still come across all kinds of &#8220;licensed&#8221; shady business&#8217; and get to my idea: make it an optional certification.  If a business wants to, they can become &#8220;certified&#8221; by the state and be able to display a plaque or something (like BBB or Chamber of Commerce members) people who don&#8217;t feel the need or have the money to become certified are free to skip it.</p>
<p>Consumers would then have a choice. If certification was important to you (in daycares, for example) you&#8217;d seek out those business&#8217; that are certified, if it wasn&#8217;t (barbers), you&#8217;d just go wherever it was more convenient. Certified business&#8217; could point at their certification as something important for their customers, and uncertified business&#8217; might be able to offer lower prices (not having to pay for an annual certification) or being able to offer products/services/techniques that lie outside the bounds of official certification.</p>
<p>The market would determine which type of business will be more popular and profitable.</p>
<p>This way everybody wins!</p>
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		By: RiverCity		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RiverCity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unbelievable, our fine legislators had a chance to redeam themselves on this issue and again resisted indicating that minimum standards for daycares would head us down the road toward Soviet style Communism.  Amazing, simply amazing.
Maybe this will wake our citizenry up to just how out of touch with modern society these backward thinking politicians are.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable, our fine legislators had a chance to redeam themselves on this issue and again resisted indicating that minimum standards for daycares would head us down the road toward Soviet style Communism.  Amazing, simply amazing.<br />
Maybe this will wake our citizenry up to just how out of touch with modern society these backward thinking politicians are.</p>
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		By: Jack		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/02/28/barefoot-and-pregnant-in-the-kitchen/#comment-4354</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon,

Wow, &quot;three in the 80&#039;s, two in the 90&#039;s and one in the 00&#039;s&quot;.

You are stronger than most of us.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon,</p>
<p>Wow, &#8220;three in the 80&#8217;s, two in the 90&#8217;s and one in the 00&#8217;s&#8221;.</p>
<p>You are stronger than most of us.</p>
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		By: BoiseCitzen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BoiseCitzen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Check out Red State Rebels dot com to see who is a welfare king! A million dollar one at that. Unbelieveable.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Red State Rebels dot com to see who is a welfare king! A million dollar one at that. Unbelieveable.</p>
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		By: Sisyphus		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/02/28/barefoot-and-pregnant-in-the-kitchen/#comment-4352</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sisyphus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the Idaho Press Tribune another example of why these laws are necessary.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2007/03/03/news/news1.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2007/03/03/news/news1.txt&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Idaho Press Tribune another example of why these laws are necessary.  <a href="http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2007/03/03/news/news1.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2007/03/03/news/news1.txt</a></p>
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		By: Sharon Ullman		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/02/28/barefoot-and-pregnant-in-the-kitchen/#comment-4351</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Ullman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sis - Thank you for getting this discussion started!  There are many related issues, which becomes even more clear when reading all the responses.

Kevin Richert did eventually do an opinion piece about the topic on his Statesman blog.  It was likely inspired, albeit perhaps indirectly, by your effort to get the paper to cover the issue.  I called Kevin when his piece was posted and suggested that it might be helpful to the general public if the Statesman would take the time to do a piece about the ages, and urban vs. rural, etc. background on our 105 legislators.

I&#039;m not sure of the average age of our legislators, but I do know that many of them are WELL past their child-rearing years.  Not only has it been a long time since they had young children, but I think part of the daycare issue is the difference between generations and how things work now, versus how it worked &quot;then&quot;.  People who were raising their children in the 1950&#039;s and 60&#039;s have a different perspective than do those of us who had our children in the 1980&#039;s, 90&#039;s and 2000&#039;s.  (I admit, I had three in the 80&#039;s, two in the 90&#039;s and one in the 00&#039;s myself!)

Anyway, thanks again for getting the conversation started on here.  If nothing else, this issue should remind all of us with young children that we can never be too careful when leaving our children with other people - even when only for short periods of time.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sis &#8211; Thank you for getting this discussion started!  There are many related issues, which becomes even more clear when reading all the responses.</p>
<p>Kevin Richert did eventually do an opinion piece about the topic on his Statesman blog.  It was likely inspired, albeit perhaps indirectly, by your effort to get the paper to cover the issue.  I called Kevin when his piece was posted and suggested that it might be helpful to the general public if the Statesman would take the time to do a piece about the ages, and urban vs. rural, etc. background on our 105 legislators.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure of the average age of our legislators, but I do know that many of them are WELL past their child-rearing years.  Not only has it been a long time since they had young children, but I think part of the daycare issue is the difference between generations and how things work now, versus how it worked &#8220;then&#8221;.  People who were raising their children in the 1950&#8217;s and 60&#8217;s have a different perspective than do those of us who had our children in the 1980&#8217;s, 90&#8217;s and 2000&#8217;s.  (I admit, I had three in the 80&#8217;s, two in the 90&#8217;s and one in the 00&#8217;s myself!)</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again for getting the conversation started on here.  If nothing else, this issue should remind all of us with young children that we can never be too careful when leaving our children with other people &#8211; even when only for short periods of time.</p>
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		By: Anne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 17:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Idaho Legislature has consistently been at war with adequate education, child facilities of any kind, and keeping the majority of Idahoans above surfdom.

Our daughter makes well above the minimum wage and finds it difficult to cover day-to-day expenses. Her monthly grocery bill has nearly doubled in the last three years without a change in diet. Utilities have gone up. Gas has gone up. And she is just one person driving an older vehicle and living in an older rental.

For people with children on the majority of Idaho wages, finding affordable daycare is the first issue. For those who can afford it, only those in the Boise area have the ability to judge their choices based on licensing standards.

I say to JJ: Why aren&#039;t your children walking or biking home from school?


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Idaho Legislature has consistently been at war with adequate education, child facilities of any kind, and keeping the majority of Idahoans above surfdom.</p>
<p>Our daughter makes well above the minimum wage and finds it difficult to cover day-to-day expenses. Her monthly grocery bill has nearly doubled in the last three years without a change in diet. Utilities have gone up. Gas has gone up. And she is just one person driving an older vehicle and living in an older rental.</p>
<p>For people with children on the majority of Idaho wages, finding affordable daycare is the first issue. For those who can afford it, only those in the Boise area have the ability to judge their choices based on licensing standards.</p>
<p>I say to JJ: Why aren&#8217;t your children walking or biking home from school?</p>
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		By: RiverCity		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RiverCity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclops, you are correct, I am constantly frustrated by Idaho politics.
My wife is a councilor for the Meridian School district, and despite a three year masters degree required for the position she is on the same pay scale as are teachers.  I am a public employee working for the fine City of Eagle.  If my wife or myself decided to stay at home we would not be able to own a home and would definately have to get rid of one of our cars. We would also probably have to take at least one of our kids out of music lessson.  Let&#039;s see, which one should we choose?  You see it only takes making a middle income wage, not a minimum wage, to put both parents to work in order to provide some basic advantages to your family.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclops, you are correct, I am constantly frustrated by Idaho politics.<br />
My wife is a councilor for the Meridian School district, and despite a three year masters degree required for the position she is on the same pay scale as are teachers.  I am a public employee working for the fine City of Eagle.  If my wife or myself decided to stay at home we would not be able to own a home and would definately have to get rid of one of our cars. We would also probably have to take at least one of our kids out of music lessson.  Let&#8217;s see, which one should we choose?  You see it only takes making a middle income wage, not a minimum wage, to put both parents to work in order to provide some basic advantages to your family.</p>
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		By: Sisyphus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sisyphus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joe, when this was posted there was no story as you can see by the respective dates on the stories. And even when they ran a story days after the hearing the thrust of the article was on the recent national study.  They buried and referenced only one legislator&#039;s comments voting on the measure and utterly failed to list the members of the committee, their votes, or any other comments, pro or con, on the measure. The focus should have been on the hearing with reference to the study not the other way around. In fact it looks like they only included Loertscher&#039;s comments as an afterthought and even then it came straight out of the article from a paper in Washington probably as a result of the email I sent Dan Popkey requesting why his paper did no story it.

Democracy depends upon an informed electorate but if the local paper doesn&#039;t inform its readership of the very basic workings of democracy in this state how can we hold legislators accountable for bad decisions?  The comments of those legislators voting no on minimum standards for day cares disclose a myopic and archaic point of view demonstrating how unfit these legislators are to recognize the connections between, and to solve, the problems facing them, which this year include dangerous daycares and a nursing shortage. But these legislators will suffer no recriminations if we are unaware.  Big thanks to Dave for helping to plug the holes of our ignorance.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, when this was posted there was no story as you can see by the respective dates on the stories. And even when they ran a story days after the hearing the thrust of the article was on the recent national study.  They buried and referenced only one legislator&#8217;s comments voting on the measure and utterly failed to list the members of the committee, their votes, or any other comments, pro or con, on the measure. The focus should have been on the hearing with reference to the study not the other way around. In fact it looks like they only included Loertscher&#8217;s comments as an afterthought and even then it came straight out of the article from a paper in Washington probably as a result of the email I sent Dan Popkey requesting why his paper did no story it.</p>
<p>Democracy depends upon an informed electorate but if the local paper doesn&#8217;t inform its readership of the very basic workings of democracy in this state how can we hold legislators accountable for bad decisions?  The comments of those legislators voting no on minimum standards for day cares disclose a myopic and archaic point of view demonstrating how unfit these legislators are to recognize the connections between, and to solve, the problems facing them, which this year include dangerous daycares and a nursing shortage. But these legislators will suffer no recriminations if we are unaware.  Big thanks to Dave for helping to plug the holes of our ignorance.</p>
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