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		By: Old Boise Native		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/09/family-oriented-strip-clubs/#comment-4424</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FB - you are right that they had secrets but thats just my point, they were secrets.  I was making more of an overall statement about they way our society in general is not ashamed anymore about what they do in the dark of night or in the back corners.

In fact the sleaze is being flaunted to tell the truth.  Younger folks won&#039;t have the memories that us older people have, but there really was a time when Barney Fife and Andy Taylor might have been in the closet, but they didn&#039;t flaunt it in front of Opie because they still had some shame.

I have been to, and enjoyed many shows at the Big Easy and I think that charge should be tossed out.

But my point overall is I think we should allow people to have thier fun nightlife, to each his own, but why can&#039;t we let our children grow up a little bit before we expose them to the sick side of this world.  They need a childhood too.  They will be adults soon enough.

And really gordon, I did wander out of the house more than you think.  How many strip clubs were in Boise as recently as 15-20 years ago?  I don&#039;t recall any strip clubs in the city limits.

1 in Meridian - kit kat klub
1 in Garden City - Hunt Club
1 out by Lowell Scott - i forget the name (Norm&#039;s I think) also out of Boise city limits.

There were a couple of adult book stores/porno shops and a couple of massage parlors.

I didn&#039;t go to these at the time but I knew they were there if I chose to, and that was fine.

At that time, however, you didn&#039;t have to pass them on every corner and explain to a child why they can&#039;t go into the spiramint rhino because it&#039;s not a candy shop (for kids).  Have you noticed how many of those places are around now?  Unless you never let your kids out of the house, watch TV, or listen to the radio, they are exposed to all this crap.  Kids are not oblivious to all of this!  We have lost the ability to have discretion.

So after all that what does it hurt to clean up our act a little better and keep the secrets in private once again.  Let our kids be kids until they are forced to be bitten in the arse by reality.

We really are hurting our kids.

Thats all folks, end of rant.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FB &#8211; you are right that they had secrets but thats just my point, they were secrets.  I was making more of an overall statement about they way our society in general is not ashamed anymore about what they do in the dark of night or in the back corners.</p>
<p>In fact the sleaze is being flaunted to tell the truth.  Younger folks won&#8217;t have the memories that us older people have, but there really was a time when Barney Fife and Andy Taylor might have been in the closet, but they didn&#8217;t flaunt it in front of Opie because they still had some shame.</p>
<p>I have been to, and enjoyed many shows at the Big Easy and I think that charge should be tossed out.</p>
<p>But my point overall is I think we should allow people to have thier fun nightlife, to each his own, but why can&#8217;t we let our children grow up a little bit before we expose them to the sick side of this world.  They need a childhood too.  They will be adults soon enough.</p>
<p>And really gordon, I did wander out of the house more than you think.  How many strip clubs were in Boise as recently as 15-20 years ago?  I don&#8217;t recall any strip clubs in the city limits.</p>
<p>1 in Meridian &#8211; kit kat klub<br />
1 in Garden City &#8211; Hunt Club<br />
1 out by Lowell Scott &#8211; i forget the name (Norm&#8217;s I think) also out of Boise city limits.</p>
<p>There were a couple of adult book stores/porno shops and a couple of massage parlors.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t go to these at the time but I knew they were there if I chose to, and that was fine.</p>
<p>At that time, however, you didn&#8217;t have to pass them on every corner and explain to a child why they can&#8217;t go into the spiramint rhino because it&#8217;s not a candy shop (for kids).  Have you noticed how many of those places are around now?  Unless you never let your kids out of the house, watch TV, or listen to the radio, they are exposed to all this crap.  Kids are not oblivious to all of this!  We have lost the ability to have discretion.</p>
<p>So after all that what does it hurt to clean up our act a little better and keep the secrets in private once again.  Let our kids be kids until they are forced to be bitten in the arse by reality.</p>
<p>We really are hurting our kids.</p>
<p>Thats all folks, end of rant.</p>
<p>Good day</p>
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		By: Bryce		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/09/family-oriented-strip-clubs/#comment-4423</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the report it sounds like they spent way too much time doing this:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.idahopress.com/files/prohibited_acts_complaints.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.idahopress.com/files/prohibited_acts_complaints.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the report it sounds like they spent way too much time doing this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.idahopress.com/files/prohibited_acts_complaints.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.idahopress.com/files/prohibited_acts_complaints.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Ferris B.		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/09/family-oriented-strip-clubs/#comment-4422</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OBN - Really?  Was Opie there too??

You want to go to the bank on that one?

Gordon is right on so many of his points.  There is no way any town on the 84 corridor was without it&#039;s little secrets.

From the pacific ocean all the way through, even the smallest towns had showings of skin and other depravity.  I hear tell the ankle show in Baker City was especially intoxicating.

Seriously though, how can anyone believe this is somthing recent?

The Big Easy is a great venue.  We have taken our kids there on many occaisions for bands that come through.  Oddly enough, I am more of a prude when it comes to what is on TV than I have ever been at a show.  The kids have never been offered alchohol, drugs or skin and we have been there a lot of times.

If the Big Easy loses out and can&#039;t serve liquor due to some BS trumped up, jacked up, talibanesque ISPABC stormtrooper, then we should all be very afraid.

Are our own homes next?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBN &#8211; Really?  Was Opie there too??</p>
<p>You want to go to the bank on that one?</p>
<p>Gordon is right on so many of his points.  There is no way any town on the 84 corridor was without it&#8217;s little secrets.</p>
<p>From the pacific ocean all the way through, even the smallest towns had showings of skin and other depravity.  I hear tell the ankle show in Baker City was especially intoxicating.</p>
<p>Seriously though, how can anyone believe this is somthing recent?</p>
<p>The Big Easy is a great venue.  We have taken our kids there on many occaisions for bands that come through.  Oddly enough, I am more of a prude when it comes to what is on TV than I have ever been at a show.  The kids have never been offered alchohol, drugs or skin and we have been there a lot of times.</p>
<p>If the Big Easy loses out and can&#8217;t serve liquor due to some BS trumped up, jacked up, talibanesque ISPABC stormtrooper, then we should all be very afraid.</p>
<p>Are our own homes next?</p>
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		By: Peter Joe		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/09/family-oriented-strip-clubs/#comment-4421</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it public record on how much taxpayers money was used in this venture ? As far as I can see the only crime they discovered was someone was serving alcohol to someone who is old enough to go to Iraq and get their arms and legs blown off ,or killed,but not old enough to leagaly drink a beer in the state of Idaho.  Is this Salem, Mass. or Boise,Idaho ? I thought we were done with this type of crap after Mayor Coles got caught parked on his paper route !
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it public record on how much taxpayers money was used in this venture ? As far as I can see the only crime they discovered was someone was serving alcohol to someone who is old enough to go to Iraq and get their arms and legs blown off ,or killed,but not old enough to leagaly drink a beer in the state of Idaho.  Is this Salem, Mass. or Boise,Idaho ? I thought we were done with this type of crap after Mayor Coles got caught parked on his paper route !</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Old Boise says he was born and raised here and Boise didn&#039;t used to have all this sleaze. Wow, he must have never wandered out of his house!

I&#039;ve only been here a little over 40 years, but ever since I&#039;ve arrived, there have been strippers, prostitutes, gambling and all that other nasty stuff going on. And long before I arrived, there was a major red-light district right in the middle of Boise.
By the time I got here, it had been outlawed (along with statewide and city-option casinos), but the stripping, go-go dancing etc. continued.

And which bars to go into to pick up a prostitue were pretty much public knowledge.
Once in a while the cops would bust a bar or a massage parlor for prostitution. The &quot;girls&quot; would pay their fines and go back to work. (The operator of one such operation even phoned The Statesman to thank them for reporting the raid; said it was the best publicity she&#039;d ever had since she couldn&#039;t openly advertise, and she had to hire several more &quot;girls&quot; the next day.)

Several bars had well-known gambling havens in their back rooms or basements; cops more often checked them out to make sure no cheating, robberies etc. were going on than to bust them.

Every city bigger than a few hundred people (and many smaller) have all of these activities in varying degrees -- and always have.

Read history books; read the Bible; read old newspapers, read old police reports -- there is nothing new under the sun.

Speaking of the Bible: a writer to the Nampa paper pointed out that according to the Bible, people used to all speak one language. Then when they tried to built a high tower, God got angry and made them speak a bunch of different languages.

I&#039;m not quite sure what the writer&#039;s point was, but he seemed to be saying that since God decided we should speak various languages, it&#039;s up to the Idaho Legislature to overrule that decision and make us all talk English.

Well, I say, old chap, I believe I can manage that quite nicely. Though English is somewhat of a foreign language to me as American, I&#039;m sure that with practice I can learn to say such things as bloody good, and a spot of bother.

So ta, ta, old thing.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Boise says he was born and raised here and Boise didn&#8217;t used to have all this sleaze. Wow, he must have never wandered out of his house!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only been here a little over 40 years, but ever since I&#8217;ve arrived, there have been strippers, prostitutes, gambling and all that other nasty stuff going on. And long before I arrived, there was a major red-light district right in the middle of Boise.<br />
By the time I got here, it had been outlawed (along with statewide and city-option casinos), but the stripping, go-go dancing etc. continued.</p>
<p>And which bars to go into to pick up a prostitue were pretty much public knowledge.<br />
Once in a while the cops would bust a bar or a massage parlor for prostitution. The &#8220;girls&#8221; would pay their fines and go back to work. (The operator of one such operation even phoned The Statesman to thank them for reporting the raid; said it was the best publicity she&#8217;d ever had since she couldn&#8217;t openly advertise, and she had to hire several more &#8220;girls&#8221; the next day.)</p>
<p>Several bars had well-known gambling havens in their back rooms or basements; cops more often checked them out to make sure no cheating, robberies etc. were going on than to bust them.</p>
<p>Every city bigger than a few hundred people (and many smaller) have all of these activities in varying degrees &#8212; and always have.</p>
<p>Read history books; read the Bible; read old newspapers, read old police reports &#8212; there is nothing new under the sun.</p>
<p>Speaking of the Bible: a writer to the Nampa paper pointed out that according to the Bible, people used to all speak one language. Then when they tried to built a high tower, God got angry and made them speak a bunch of different languages.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure what the writer&#8217;s point was, but he seemed to be saying that since God decided we should speak various languages, it&#8217;s up to the Idaho Legislature to overrule that decision and make us all talk English.</p>
<p>Well, I say, old chap, I believe I can manage that quite nicely. Though English is somewhat of a foreign language to me as American, I&#8217;m sure that with practice I can learn to say such things as bloody good, and a spot of bother.</p>
<p>So ta, ta, old thing.</p>
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		By: Destiney		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/09/family-oriented-strip-clubs/#comment-4419</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a 28 year old woman of 3 kids all boys no less. I do the church thing and all that stuff to but I also have to say I enjoy the nightlife and other things to.

I enjoy the strip clubs and everything else about it. One question I have to ask is why the balcony was not or the Eclub targeted too. I know that there is stuff that goes on in every bar every strip joint. Every one here is right on one thing 90% of these places are not for kids. If you remember back there was a time that the Big Easy had Wednesday nights I think it was for kids 16+, I know this because I took a girl I had living in my home to it. I being over 21 had to go through the bar. There is always going to be one out of a million fake id&#039;s that make it past security, it was just made that well.

Nevertheless, for them to just hit a select few of the bars is a crock. Yes I have seen the Balcony and the Eclub have cops  or what not go through once in a while but I do not think they even thought of it or tried it because it is a (what is the politically correct way of saying it sorry if it is not right) Straight friendly bar/ Gay bar. Are they afraid that they might get a law suite on their hands?

Hmmmm maybe they should  start one for all the other bars, yes keep a eye on the underage drinker YES please do but these places are for us ADULTS not for kids and families. Now when my son is 21 Oh I am so taking to the strip joint and my other son well I will be taking him to the Balcony lol, which is another story. Well that would be my 50 cents worth. Thanks for reading.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 28 year old woman of 3 kids all boys no less. I do the church thing and all that stuff to but I also have to say I enjoy the nightlife and other things to.</p>
<p>I enjoy the strip clubs and everything else about it. One question I have to ask is why the balcony was not or the Eclub targeted too. I know that there is stuff that goes on in every bar every strip joint. Every one here is right on one thing 90% of these places are not for kids. If you remember back there was a time that the Big Easy had Wednesday nights I think it was for kids 16+, I know this because I took a girl I had living in my home to it. I being over 21 had to go through the bar. There is always going to be one out of a million fake id&#8217;s that make it past security, it was just made that well.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, for them to just hit a select few of the bars is a crock. Yes I have seen the Balcony and the Eclub have cops  or what not go through once in a while but I do not think they even thought of it or tried it because it is a (what is the politically correct way of saying it sorry if it is not right) Straight friendly bar/ Gay bar. Are they afraid that they might get a law suite on their hands?</p>
<p>Hmmmm maybe they should  start one for all the other bars, yes keep a eye on the underage drinker YES please do but these places are for us ADULTS not for kids and families. Now when my son is 21 Oh I am so taking to the strip joint and my other son well I will be taking him to the Balcony lol, which is another story. Well that would be my 50 cents worth. Thanks for reading.</p>
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		By: Anne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note: If this is truly a six-month investigation -- although it seems to me that you could determine most of those things in one quick visit -- then it predates our current governor, who has been in office just over two months.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: If this is truly a six-month investigation &#8212; although it seems to me that you could determine most of those things in one quick visit &#8212; then it predates our current governor, who has been in office just over two months.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Guardian, no matter what one thinks of cops spending our bucks hanging out in strip clubs and bikini bars, we all have to acknowledge that some good came from it -- it gave you an excuse to run the prettiest picture you&#039;ve ever had on the site.
So c&#039;mon, Guardian, show us some more of those &quot;facts&quot; you uncovered on your trip. (Or is &quot;uncovered&quot; a bad word in this context?)

But, back on the subject, I think I&#039;ve finally figured out some logic to the law-enforcers&#039; thinking: The young comedian who has been banned from telling jokes in a comedy club needs someplace to go. And the badge-toters figure watching a bunch of guys drool (or whatever) about some scantily clad women would be much more beneficial to the young man&#039;s morals and mental-development that hearing a bunch of folks laughing at his jokes.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guardian, no matter what one thinks of cops spending our bucks hanging out in strip clubs and bikini bars, we all have to acknowledge that some good came from it &#8212; it gave you an excuse to run the prettiest picture you&#8217;ve ever had on the site.<br />
So c&#8217;mon, Guardian, show us some more of those &#8220;facts&#8221; you uncovered on your trip. (Or is &#8220;uncovered&#8221; a bad word in this context?)</p>
<p>But, back on the subject, I think I&#8217;ve finally figured out some logic to the law-enforcers&#8217; thinking: The young comedian who has been banned from telling jokes in a comedy club needs someplace to go. And the badge-toters figure watching a bunch of guys drool (or whatever) about some scantily clad women would be much more beneficial to the young man&#8217;s morals and mental-development that hearing a bunch of folks laughing at his jokes.</p>
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		By: Grumpy Old Guy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought the &quot;family oriented&quot; statement which appeared in the Statesman was one of the best statements attributed to a public official in some time.

How can we take these clowns seriously when they would spend six months on discovering whether or not an ill-defined and overly nuanced action (simulated, or stimulated) sex act is taking place.  I am reminded of the old joke about why fundamentalist Christians don&#039;t have sex while standing - they are afraid it might lead to dancing.  How in the world can anyone take this crap seriously! he cried (into his beer).
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the &#8220;family oriented&#8221; statement which appeared in the Statesman was one of the best statements attributed to a public official in some time.</p>
<p>How can we take these clowns seriously when they would spend six months on discovering whether or not an ill-defined and overly nuanced action (simulated, or stimulated) sex act is taking place.  I am reminded of the old joke about why fundamentalist Christians don&#8217;t have sex while standing &#8211; they are afraid it might lead to dancing.  How in the world can anyone take this crap seriously! he cried (into his beer).</p>
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		By: Old Boise Native		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are all of you from out of town, or are you just childless mindless liberals?

I was born here, raised here, and I would love to raise my kids in a place where all humans are valued for more than thier ability to dance around a pole and lap dance.

I remember when the only sleaze in Boise was located in Garden City.  It was considered gross by most, but it was there.  Boise used to be a great place to raise a family without being bombarded by the sleazy big city problems.  There were the couple of places in Garden City but they were confined to a small area (red light district)

Now it seems that with Boise being such a great place to raise a family in the past, the influx of big city trash has brought there kids here to trash our city, while they have a safe place to raise their kids.

Kids now getting shot while walking down the road.  Drugs are rampant.  Strip clubs and massage parlors are trashing up the city that used to be a nice small town.

Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles, and God forbid San Fran Sicko here we come.  Boise is now embedded with godless people bringing thier godless view of humanity with them.  Boise is lost!!!

The above posts show I&#039;m right.
Where is your shame Boise???
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are all of you from out of town, or are you just childless mindless liberals?</p>
<p>I was born here, raised here, and I would love to raise my kids in a place where all humans are valued for more than thier ability to dance around a pole and lap dance.</p>
<p>I remember when the only sleaze in Boise was located in Garden City.  It was considered gross by most, but it was there.  Boise used to be a great place to raise a family without being bombarded by the sleazy big city problems.  There were the couple of places in Garden City but they were confined to a small area (red light district)</p>
<p>Now it seems that with Boise being such a great place to raise a family in the past, the influx of big city trash has brought there kids here to trash our city, while they have a safe place to raise their kids.</p>
<p>Kids now getting shot while walking down the road.  Drugs are rampant.  Strip clubs and massage parlors are trashing up the city that used to be a nice small town.</p>
<p>Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles, and God forbid San Fran Sicko here we come.  Boise is now embedded with godless people bringing thier godless view of humanity with them.  Boise is lost!!!</p>
<p>The above posts show I&#8217;m right.<br />
Where is your shame Boise???</p>
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