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		By: Grumpy Old Guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/15/ccdc-jumps-on-arid-club-issue/#comment-4498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy Old Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry guys, I&#039;m either being more dense than usual or something isn&#039;t adding up here.  If the CCDC is NOT a taxing district, who determines the tax rate and who collects those taxes.  Further, if the funds collected from those who use the facilities and the funds payed in the form of the taxes gathered all go to the CCDC (which I had believed to be the fact) then who reviews their books, and how often are audits conducted.

If the commissioners are proposed by Boise&#039;s Mayor and confirmed by the City Council, how does one go about submitting a suggestion for names of folks to serve, and when should such suggestions be made.  For how long does each Commissioner serve?  Is there a means of dismissal?  Is the service for a set term of office, or at the pleasure of the Mayor.

Mayhap a little less grumpy, but still confused, and worried.

EDITOR NOTE--Property taxes are determined by a LEVY as a percentage against the ASSESSED VALUE of the parcel.  Value is determined by the county assessor.  The levies come from each city, county, ACHD, school etc.  All levies are uniform throughout the disstirct and the appraisals use the same uniform formula.  But the revenues on new buidings and appreciation go to CCDC.

Terms are 4 years and from the looks of the membership it is mostly insider trading.  No housewives or worker bees from the bench serve.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry guys, I&#8217;m either being more dense than usual or something isn&#8217;t adding up here.  If the CCDC is NOT a taxing district, who determines the tax rate and who collects those taxes.  Further, if the funds collected from those who use the facilities and the funds payed in the form of the taxes gathered all go to the CCDC (which I had believed to be the fact) then who reviews their books, and how often are audits conducted.</p>
<p>If the commissioners are proposed by Boise&#8217;s Mayor and confirmed by the City Council, how does one go about submitting a suggestion for names of folks to serve, and when should such suggestions be made.  For how long does each Commissioner serve?  Is there a means of dismissal?  Is the service for a set term of office, or at the pleasure of the Mayor.</p>
<p>Mayhap a little less grumpy, but still confused, and worried.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Property taxes are determined by a LEVY as a percentage against the ASSESSED VALUE of the parcel.  Value is determined by the county assessor.  The levies come from each city, county, ACHD, school etc.  All levies are uniform throughout the disstirct and the appraisals use the same uniform formula.  But the revenues on new buidings and appreciation go to CCDC.</p>
<p>Terms are 4 years and from the looks of the membership it is mostly insider trading.  No housewives or worker bees from the bench serve.</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/15/ccdc-jumps-on-arid-club-issue/#comment-4497</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have questioned the need for &quot;redeveloping&quot; going back to the early 70&#039;s when I worked for the Broadbent company which was selling all the buildings downtown to the BRA.  I still don&#039;t get it.

I can&#039;t believe the movers and shakers are still enamored of the Arid Club.  The food isn&#039;t all that wonderful and it doesn&#039;t even have a golf course.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have questioned the need for &#8220;redeveloping&#8221; going back to the early 70&#8217;s when I worked for the Broadbent company which was selling all the buildings downtown to the BRA.  I still don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe the movers and shakers are still enamored of the Arid Club.  The food isn&#8217;t all that wonderful and it doesn&#8217;t even have a golf course.</p>
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		By: Tony Jones		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/15/ccdc-jumps-on-arid-club-issue/#comment-4496</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The guardian gets major credit for getting the spotlight turned onto this issue.   Now that it is on, we need to keep turned on, and make it even brighter.

I do have a small issue with the editor’s last point that  CCDC, “should be (a taxing district)”, an issue with which I think the Guardian will agree.

Before CCDC is given taxing capability, there needs to be an open, honest, public discussion about CCDCs role in the community.  And, preceding the discussion, there needs to be an independent audit/analysis of CCDC’s activities.  We need to determine whether or not the subsidies CCDC has granted, and continues to grant, to downtown businesses are providing a legitimate benefit to the area.  For instance, are they providing a net benefit to area taxpayers, or are the subsidies just a transfer payment from area residents and businesses to CCDC&#039;s recipients?  Or worse, are the subsidies being paid to out of state developers with the result that Ada County tax payers are subsidizing businesses in other states?

Once we have the answer to those, and a host of related questions, we need a yes or no vote on whether or not CCDC should continue, or be terminated.

If we, the Ada County taxpayers, like the answers we get from such a discourse, and we vote to continue CCDC, then yes, they should be set up as a tax district with elected representatives.

EDITOR NOTE--I do indeed agree.  My point was that if they have what amounts to taxing authority, they should play by the rules of elected taxing districts.  As it is now they make their own rules.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guardian gets major credit for getting the spotlight turned onto this issue.   Now that it is on, we need to keep turned on, and make it even brighter.</p>
<p>I do have a small issue with the editor’s last point that  CCDC, “should be (a taxing district)”, an issue with which I think the Guardian will agree.</p>
<p>Before CCDC is given taxing capability, there needs to be an open, honest, public discussion about CCDCs role in the community.  And, preceding the discussion, there needs to be an independent audit/analysis of CCDC’s activities.  We need to determine whether or not the subsidies CCDC has granted, and continues to grant, to downtown businesses are providing a legitimate benefit to the area.  For instance, are they providing a net benefit to area taxpayers, or are the subsidies just a transfer payment from area residents and businesses to CCDC&#8217;s recipients?  Or worse, are the subsidies being paid to out of state developers with the result that Ada County tax payers are subsidizing businesses in other states?</p>
<p>Once we have the answer to those, and a host of related questions, we need a yes or no vote on whether or not CCDC should continue, or be terminated.</p>
<p>If we, the Ada County taxpayers, like the answers we get from such a discourse, and we vote to continue CCDC, then yes, they should be set up as a tax district with elected representatives.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;I do indeed agree.  My point was that if they have what amounts to taxing authority, they should play by the rules of elected taxing districts.  As it is now they make their own rules.</p>
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		By: Grumpy Old Guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/15/ccdc-jumps-on-arid-club-issue/#comment-4495</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy Old Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, to be sure, I mean to add my thanks to the Guardian for this, and a lot more.  And, thanks too, to Sharon for that reference to the CCDC web site.

It still puzzles me how that a taxing district can have an APPOINTED, rather than elected, Board of Commissioners.  Cemetery, Mosquito, Weed, Hospital and Library districts (and all the others) elect their Commissioners, how did our (un)beloved Legislature ever allow this much &quot;local control&quot; over a tax-gathering district operation.  But, I&#039;m about to get myself started on a whole different can of worms if I allow myself to dwell on either the Legislature or Local Control.

thanks Dave, thanks Sharon.

Not much less grumpy, but thankful.

EDITOR NOTE--Our main problem with the taxing structure is that the CCDC is NOT a tyaxing district, but it SHOULD be.  They get direct tax payments from the county treasurer, but are APPOINTED by the Mayor.  Attempts to have the members ELECTED were quashed by Boise City lobbying efforts.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, to be sure, I mean to add my thanks to the Guardian for this, and a lot more.  And, thanks too, to Sharon for that reference to the CCDC web site.</p>
<p>It still puzzles me how that a taxing district can have an APPOINTED, rather than elected, Board of Commissioners.  Cemetery, Mosquito, Weed, Hospital and Library districts (and all the others) elect their Commissioners, how did our (un)beloved Legislature ever allow this much &#8220;local control&#8221; over a tax-gathering district operation.  But, I&#8217;m about to get myself started on a whole different can of worms if I allow myself to dwell on either the Legislature or Local Control.</p>
<p>thanks Dave, thanks Sharon.</p>
<p>Not much less grumpy, but thankful.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Our main problem with the taxing structure is that the CCDC is NOT a tyaxing district, but it SHOULD be.  They get direct tax payments from the county treasurer, but are APPOINTED by the Mayor.  Attempts to have the members ELECTED were quashed by Boise City lobbying efforts.</p>
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		By: osprey		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/15/ccdc-jumps-on-arid-club-issue/#comment-4494</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back in the old days I think the City Council was the board of directors over the Boise Redevelopment Agency.

I think they got tired of it and reconstituted it as the CCDC and outsourced the oversight to the local businessmen and other influence peddlers like Reberger. Two council members draw the short straw and have to serve on the board to provide that varnish of credibility.  With the Council checked out it&#039;s not a surprise that a mentality would take over that public agency official should have his Arid Club dues comped.

When government officials and lobbyists have no one to watch them, and they play footsie with business, bad things like this happen.  Or worse.  University Place.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the old days I think the City Council was the board of directors over the Boise Redevelopment Agency.</p>
<p>I think they got tired of it and reconstituted it as the CCDC and outsourced the oversight to the local businessmen and other influence peddlers like Reberger. Two council members draw the short straw and have to serve on the board to provide that varnish of credibility.  With the Council checked out it&#8217;s not a surprise that a mentality would take over that public agency official should have his Arid Club dues comped.</p>
<p>When government officials and lobbyists have no one to watch them, and they play footsie with business, bad things like this happen.  Or worse.  University Place.</p>
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		By: Not Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure channel six is responsible for solving this problem.  Least... that&#039;s what they keep telling me.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure channel six is responsible for solving this problem.  Least&#8230; that&#8217;s what they keep telling me.</p>
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		By: Bonnie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bonnie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hang em high ! Not a shock to find the under-table
being done by the ccdc. What ever happened to
over sight ?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang em high ! Not a shock to find the under-table<br />
being done by the ccdc. What ever happened to<br />
over sight ?</p>
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		By: Wonk Vader		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wonk Vader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree, it&#039;s bad PR and bad public policy for tax money to be used to pay for a private club.

The CCDC was right to put a stop to it, but it does erode confidence in their claim of city oversight. The CCDC has done a lot of good work for this city and it&#039;s unfortunate the CCDC, the city and auditors approved this improper expenditure year after year.

Makes you wonder what other local officials have memberships at public expense at local golf clubs or whatever.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it&#8217;s bad PR and bad public policy for tax money to be used to pay for a private club.</p>
<p>The CCDC was right to put a stop to it, but it does erode confidence in their claim of city oversight. The CCDC has done a lot of good work for this city and it&#8217;s unfortunate the CCDC, the city and auditors approved this improper expenditure year after year.</p>
<p>Makes you wonder what other local officials have memberships at public expense at local golf clubs or whatever.</p>
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		By: Chester		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very nicely done! No matter what they may say, I know they read the Guardian..... Keep&#039;em on their toes!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nicely done! No matter what they may say, I know they read the Guardian&#8230;.. Keep&#8217;em on their toes!</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No wonder the Statesman doesn&#039;t need investigative reporters. The G-Man does it for them. If I were on the news desk over there I would be ashamed. But really folks, isn&#039;t Bronco football and what the cheerleaders do in their spare time more important to the citizens?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder the Statesman doesn&#8217;t need investigative reporters. The G-Man does it for them. If I were on the news desk over there I would be ashamed. But really folks, isn&#8217;t Bronco football and what the cheerleaders do in their spare time more important to the citizens?</p>
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