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		By: AC		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/21/taxes-fund-chamber-business-programs/#comment-4527</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Tony Jones!

I hear you have been hired as an economist/economic consultant for Kastera&#039;s Shadow Valley Planned Community.  Kastera is a sponsor of this event.  Do not deny it because I know it is a fact.

Signed,

reporter of truth
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tony Jones!</p>
<p>I hear you have been hired as an economist/economic consultant for Kastera&#8217;s Shadow Valley Planned Community.  Kastera is a sponsor of this event.  Do not deny it because I know it is a fact.</p>
<p>Signed,</p>
<p>reporter of truth</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/21/taxes-fund-chamber-business-programs/#comment-4526</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What if CCDC were to contract with the Chamber to run it&#039;s offices?  Is that still a waste of taxpayer dollars?  This is what they are considering over in Twin Falls according to the Idaho Business Review.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.idahobusinessreview.com/archive.htm/2007/03/26/Twin-Falls-considers-hiring-Chamber-Business-improvement-district-wants-to-enlist-agencys-services]&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.idahobusinessreview.com/archive.htm/2007/03/26/Twin-Falls-considers-hiring-Chamber-Business-improvement-district-wants-to-enlist-agencys-services]&lt;/a&gt;


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if CCDC were to contract with the Chamber to run it&#8217;s offices?  Is that still a waste of taxpayer dollars?  This is what they are considering over in Twin Falls according to the Idaho Business Review.<br />
<a href="http://www.idahobusinessreview.com/archive.htm/2007/03/26/Twin-Falls-considers-hiring-Chamber-Business-improvement-district-wants-to-enlist-agencys-services]" rel="nofollow">http://www.idahobusinessreview.com/archive.htm/2007/03/26/Twin-Falls-considers-hiring-Chamber-Business-improvement-district-wants-to-enlist-agencys-services%5D</a></p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/21/taxes-fund-chamber-business-programs/#comment-4525</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[
Great sleuthing Tony! The only problem I see with putting more tax money back in tax payer pockets is Wal-Mart would loose customers as well as the dollar stores.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great sleuthing Tony! The only problem I see with putting more tax money back in tax payer pockets is Wal-Mart would loose customers as well as the dollar stores.</p>
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		By: Tony Jones		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/21/taxes-fund-chamber-business-programs/#comment-4524</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here’s the trouble Snoop.  If I go to the Boise Chamber web site, I see a link titled, “Relocation Information.”

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boisechamber.org/relo/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.boisechamber.org/relo/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;

That page features a link titled “Click Here for Business/Corporate Relocation Information.”  It takes me to a web site titled Boise Valley Economic Partnership.  That site provides, in a variety of formats, the data and folders generated by the State of Idaho Department of Commerce. For instance, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bvep.org/why-boise-valley/low-business-costs.aspx.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bvep.org/why-boise-valley/low-business-costs.aspx.&lt;/a&gt;  That page starts with the statement, “Low Cost of Doing Business - The overall cost of doing business in Boise Valley is nearly a third lower than it is in California or Washington.”  The site then reproduces the State of Idaho’s brochure referenced in my previous post.

Footnote – The Boise Valley Economic Partnership web site lists Albertsons, now SUPEREVALUE of Eden Prairie, Minnesota, as one of the area&#039;s success stories.  Can you say, “high paying jobs going away?”

Which brings me back to my original point.  The city and county are wasting a bucket of money on a private organization that often does little more than reference and re-post the information generated by a state agency.  It seems to me that it would be a lot cheaper for the city and the county to simply put the link to the state on their own web site and use the savings to lower taxes, another (and more legitimate) path to increased disposable income for area residents.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the trouble Snoop.  If I go to the Boise Chamber web site, I see a link titled, “Relocation Information.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boisechamber.org/relo/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.boisechamber.org/relo/index.htm</a></p>
<p>That page features a link titled “Click Here for Business/Corporate Relocation Information.”  It takes me to a web site titled Boise Valley Economic Partnership.  That site provides, in a variety of formats, the data and folders generated by the State of Idaho Department of Commerce. For instance, <a href="http://www.bvep.org/why-boise-valley/low-business-costs.aspx." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.bvep.org/why-boise-valley/low-business-costs.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bvep.org/why-boise-valley/low-business-costs.aspx</a>.  That page starts with the statement, “Low Cost of Doing Business &#8211; The overall cost of doing business in Boise Valley is nearly a third lower than it is in California or Washington.”  The site then reproduces the State of Idaho’s brochure referenced in my previous post.</p>
<p>Footnote – The Boise Valley Economic Partnership web site lists Albertsons, now SUPEREVALUE of Eden Prairie, Minnesota, as one of the area&#8217;s success stories.  Can you say, “high paying jobs going away?”</p>
<p>Which brings me back to my original point.  The city and county are wasting a bucket of money on a private organization that often does little more than reference and re-post the information generated by a state agency.  It seems to me that it would be a lot cheaper for the city and the county to simply put the link to the state on their own web site and use the savings to lower taxes, another (and more legitimate) path to increased disposable income for area residents.</p>
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		By: Anne		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/21/taxes-fund-chamber-business-programs/#comment-4523</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ackowledging growth is one thing; advertising for it is another. I have long believed that no government should spend public monies on advertisements to entice people to a place -- and that includes recruiting businesses. Putting things in place that would attract business that would supply jobs at a living wage is another matter. This would include adequate infrastructure for business and residents, an educated workforce, a wide mix of housing, healthcare, open space, parks, arts, culture, and, oh yes, sports. That is what government should encourage and do its part to support.

But wait, did someone say it was all a plot to build a real convention center? If we had a real convention center, Antiques Roadshow would come to town. Something to think about.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ackowledging growth is one thing; advertising for it is another. I have long believed that no government should spend public monies on advertisements to entice people to a place &#8212; and that includes recruiting businesses. Putting things in place that would attract business that would supply jobs at a living wage is another matter. This would include adequate infrastructure for business and residents, an educated workforce, a wide mix of housing, healthcare, open space, parks, arts, culture, and, oh yes, sports. That is what government should encourage and do its part to support.</p>
<p>But wait, did someone say it was all a plot to build a real convention center? If we had a real convention center, Antiques Roadshow would come to town. Something to think about.</p>
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		By: Snoop		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/21/taxes-fund-chamber-business-programs/#comment-4522</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snoop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tony you are missing the whole point. The key word in all of your thinking is STATE. What incentive do you think we get when a company relocates to Idaho Falls? Who in Ada County benefits from that?

We aren’t just fighting to get higher paying jobs into Idaho, we are fighting to get them placed here once they decide on Idaho. The Idaho State Department of Commerce is working on getting companies to take a look at Idaho with a very limited budget compared to other states, so every county and city should be chipping in to make it more of an even playing field.

We always complain when our government doesn’t act like they are running a business. Any business owner knows that if you want business, marketing is a key to making it happen.

EDITOR NOTE--Government should NOT mess with business.  Too many Enron, Quest, Albertson, M-K (Agee)
involved.  Government should be for, by, and of the PEOPLE.  Business can do its own thing.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony you are missing the whole point. The key word in all of your thinking is STATE. What incentive do you think we get when a company relocates to Idaho Falls? Who in Ada County benefits from that?</p>
<p>We aren’t just fighting to get higher paying jobs into Idaho, we are fighting to get them placed here once they decide on Idaho. The Idaho State Department of Commerce is working on getting companies to take a look at Idaho with a very limited budget compared to other states, so every county and city should be chipping in to make it more of an even playing field.</p>
<p>We always complain when our government doesn’t act like they are running a business. Any business owner knows that if you want business, marketing is a key to making it happen.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Government should NOT mess with business.  Too many Enron, Quest, Albertson, M-K (Agee)<br />
involved.  Government should be for, by, and of the PEOPLE.  Business can do its own thing.</p>
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		By: Tony Jones		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If nothing else, why are the city and the county dropping money on a project that duplicates the Idaho State Department of Commerce&#039;s activities?

The state already buys advertisements in publications around the country.  And, while people may discount advertisements for what they are, advertisements are a good deal more honest than planted stories when the truth gets out.  (The fact that we are talking about them means that the truth IS out.)

The state also does the targeted contacts, offers tax incentives, trains people, and offers other incentives.  Following is a link to one of their publications.  (Note to s, c, and jt, they are selling cheap business climate, not higher wages.)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://cl.idaho.gov/publications/Idaho&#039;s_Incredible_Business_Incentives_Brochure.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cl.idaho.gov/publications/Idaho&#039;s_Incredible_Business_Incentives_Brochure.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

In my mind, the City and County&#039;s continued spending at the Boise Chamber is one more missed opportunity to reduce their constituent’s tax bills.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else, why are the city and the county dropping money on a project that duplicates the Idaho State Department of Commerce&#8217;s activities?</p>
<p>The state already buys advertisements in publications around the country.  And, while people may discount advertisements for what they are, advertisements are a good deal more honest than planted stories when the truth gets out.  (The fact that we are talking about them means that the truth IS out.)</p>
<p>The state also does the targeted contacts, offers tax incentives, trains people, and offers other incentives.  Following is a link to one of their publications.  (Note to s, c, and jt, they are selling cheap business climate, not higher wages.)</p>
<p><a href="http://cl.idaho.gov/publications/Idaho's_Incredible_Business_Incentives_Brochure.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cl.idaho.gov/publications/Idaho&#039;s_Incredible_Business_Incentives_Brochure.pdf</a></p>
<p>In my mind, the City and County&#8217;s continued spending at the Boise Chamber is one more missed opportunity to reduce their constituent’s tax bills.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/21/taxes-fund-chamber-business-programs/#comment-4520</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scoop and Jess are on target for the reasons any Chamber of Commerce exist.  Without a healthy vibrant business community where would any community be?

Note to the Boise Metro Chamber: Include some &quot;anti growth&quot; speakers and participants at your shindig in Sun Valley all expenses paid for.   This page is a good place to find them.

Note to Tony Jones:  Thanks for giving a heads up to the BOCC so they can figure out the legalities ahead of time.

EDITOR NOTE-- Clancy, our overridding issue here is using taxmoney to fund the Chamber.  How does the Chamber spin Micron&#039;s new plant...in CHINA?



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scoop and Jess are on target for the reasons any Chamber of Commerce exist.  Without a healthy vibrant business community where would any community be?</p>
<p>Note to the Boise Metro Chamber: Include some &#8220;anti growth&#8221; speakers and participants at your shindig in Sun Valley all expenses paid for.   This page is a good place to find them.</p>
<p>Note to Tony Jones:  Thanks for giving a heads up to the BOCC so they can figure out the legalities ahead of time.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211; Clancy, our overridding issue here is using taxmoney to fund the Chamber.  How does the Chamber spin Micron&#8217;s new plant&#8230;in CHINA?</p>
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		By: Snoop		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/21/taxes-fund-chamber-business-programs/#comment-4519</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snoop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with Jess on this one. Everyone complains that wages have not gone up with the rest of the country, but no one questions why, they only balk at prices. Then when someone does actually do something about it, such as advertise to out of state companies to bring their higher paying jobs here, we complain some more.

Then we complain when people from out of state move here to fill these jobs because no one around here is qualified. We complain even further because when all of these people move here it creates problems associated with growth.

Oh man, then what really makes us complain is when our elected officials go to conferences to learn how to better deal with growth and bring in out of state experts. Seems like a whole lot of complaining to me and not enough LOGICAL solutions presented by most of you.

And Mom, there will always be a help wanted sign when our unemployment rate is so low. Standard rule of supply and demand.

Oh yeah, since when is Kastera a who’s who. They have only been in business for a little over a year and haven’t really been that successful. I guess money makes you a who’s who in the Guardian’s eye.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Jess on this one. Everyone complains that wages have not gone up with the rest of the country, but no one questions why, they only balk at prices. Then when someone does actually do something about it, such as advertise to out of state companies to bring their higher paying jobs here, we complain some more.</p>
<p>Then we complain when people from out of state move here to fill these jobs because no one around here is qualified. We complain even further because when all of these people move here it creates problems associated with growth.</p>
<p>Oh man, then what really makes us complain is when our elected officials go to conferences to learn how to better deal with growth and bring in out of state experts. Seems like a whole lot of complaining to me and not enough LOGICAL solutions presented by most of you.</p>
<p>And Mom, there will always be a help wanted sign when our unemployment rate is so low. Standard rule of supply and demand.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, since when is Kastera a who’s who. They have only been in business for a little over a year and haven’t really been that successful. I guess money makes you a who’s who in the Guardian’s eye.</p>
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		By: Mom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jess Taylor, you don&#039;t make any sense at all!  How can you have a &quot;company&quot; with &quot;jobs,&quot; but not have &quot;people?&quot;  You just add to the insanity espoused by the Chamber and Government.  Even if they added new JOBS, the places with the help wanted signs would still be around (hopefully) and all those low income people would have to pay taxes for services of the new ones.

Your logic is sadly lacking.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess Taylor, you don&#8217;t make any sense at all!  How can you have a &#8220;company&#8221; with &#8220;jobs,&#8221; but not have &#8220;people?&#8221;  You just add to the insanity espoused by the Chamber and Government.  Even if they added new JOBS, the places with the help wanted signs would still be around (hopefully) and all those low income people would have to pay taxes for services of the new ones.</p>
<p>Your logic is sadly lacking.</p>
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