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		By: Lizz Slutz		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/04/12/time-to-dissolve-ccdc/#comment-9202</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lizz Slutz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over a Quarter Billion dollars has been spent at the BLRA in Bayonne, New Jersey and nothing has been built there in 9 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over a Quarter Billion dollars has been spent at the BLRA in Bayonne, New Jersey and nothing has been built there in 9 years.</p>
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		By: roddy yazdanpour		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/04/12/time-to-dissolve-ccdc/#comment-4738</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[roddy yazdanpour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What about the DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. If we want to address the waste in our city, let&#039;s take care to examine the DOWN TOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.  It has been sucking the blood out of many of us for years, and taking the credit for the success of down town.  What is the down town bussiness association?  How can we get rid of it?

Or how can we change it from being a mandatory thing to a volunteer thing.  I hate paying the fee&#039;s.  If you don&#039;t pay, they take you to collections.  They don&#039;t do anything.  I don&#039;t need some stupid beaurocracy holding my hand.  This entity infuriates me to no end.  It is white collar extortion.  Forcing me and all the other business&#039;s to pay is border line criminal.  We need to act now before this ridiculous entity becomes larger and more menacing.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. If we want to address the waste in our city, let&#8217;s take care to examine the DOWN TOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.  It has been sucking the blood out of many of us for years, and taking the credit for the success of down town.  What is the down town bussiness association?  How can we get rid of it?</p>
<p>Or how can we change it from being a mandatory thing to a volunteer thing.  I hate paying the fee&#8217;s.  If you don&#8217;t pay, they take you to collections.  They don&#8217;t do anything.  I don&#8217;t need some stupid beaurocracy holding my hand.  This entity infuriates me to no end.  It is white collar extortion.  Forcing me and all the other business&#8217;s to pay is border line criminal.  We need to act now before this ridiculous entity becomes larger and more menacing.</p>
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		By: Terry		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/04/12/time-to-dissolve-ccdc/#comment-4737</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The current Mayor and Council will never go for dis-banding the CCDC - it is too important to their &quot;collect and spend as much money as you can outside the city budget&quot; agenda.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current Mayor and Council will never go for dis-banding the CCDC &#8211; it is too important to their &#8220;collect and spend as much money as you can outside the city budget&#8221; agenda.</p>
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		By: Murphy for Mayor		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/04/12/time-to-dissolve-ccdc/#comment-4736</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Murphy for Mayor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I, and any other candidate for office, can make this an &quot;issue&quot; all we want.  Change, however, requires participation.

The first step is to start rocking the boat now by registering to vote, thereby creating an &quot;unknown&quot; voting block that worries career politicos

That ALONE can be a catalyst for change.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, and any other candidate for office, can make this an &#8220;issue&#8221; all we want.  Change, however, requires participation.</p>
<p>The first step is to start rocking the boat now by registering to vote, thereby creating an &#8220;unknown&#8221; voting block that worries career politicos</p>
<p>That ALONE can be a catalyst for change.</p>
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		By: Murphy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These are just cash cows which are suported by tax payers.  They are so good besides the expansion noted above, Eagle and Meridian now have them, Kuna is in process.  They create so much money they won&#039;t stop expanding.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are just cash cows which are suported by tax payers.  They are so good besides the expansion noted above, Eagle and Meridian now have them, Kuna is in process.  They create so much money they won&#8217;t stop expanding.</p>
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		By: Rod Beck		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/04/12/time-to-dissolve-ccdc/#comment-4734</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod Beck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave,

You left out some of the best stuff!  And I fully agree with you that it’s long since time for them to go away!!  The CCDC should do this community a vast service and voluntarily dissolve.  However, as President Reagan suggested, the closest thing to eternal life on this earth is a Government Program.

Check out the record.  When they (formerly the BRA now CCDC) came imploring the Idaho Legislature to grant them tax increment financing legislation, the legislature was skeptical and conditioned the tax increment financing scheme on the following pledges:

1.	They would NEVER expand beyond the 9 nine blocks of the original tax increment area.
2.	They would NEVER bond in excess of $12,500,000.
3.	They would voluntarily dissolve and turn the assets over to the City of Boise before 2000.

So much for the so-called promises of a government agency.

When the CCDC first proposed another tax increment area I went to the public meeting required by law and reminded them of the commitments they had made in order to get the legislation passed.  They completely ignored my concerns and comments.

I next went to the Boise City Council hearing required by law to enact the ordinance establishing the new tax increment area and reminded the Boise Mayor (Brent Coles) and Council of the commitments that had been made in order to get the tax increment legislation passed.  At that meeting the former Chairmen of the Ada County Highway district also testified that it was his understanding that the tax increment area was NOT to be expanded.  Again, the city ignored both of us.

It is simply time for them to slip off into the sunset.  Hopefully, the CCDC issue will be a major component in the upcoming Boise elections.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>You left out some of the best stuff!  And I fully agree with you that it’s long since time for them to go away!!  The CCDC should do this community a vast service and voluntarily dissolve.  However, as President Reagan suggested, the closest thing to eternal life on this earth is a Government Program.</p>
<p>Check out the record.  When they (formerly the BRA now CCDC) came imploring the Idaho Legislature to grant them tax increment financing legislation, the legislature was skeptical and conditioned the tax increment financing scheme on the following pledges:</p>
<p>1.	They would NEVER expand beyond the 9 nine blocks of the original tax increment area.<br />
2.	They would NEVER bond in excess of $12,500,000.<br />
3.	They would voluntarily dissolve and turn the assets over to the City of Boise before 2000.</p>
<p>So much for the so-called promises of a government agency.</p>
<p>When the CCDC first proposed another tax increment area I went to the public meeting required by law and reminded them of the commitments they had made in order to get the legislation passed.  They completely ignored my concerns and comments.</p>
<p>I next went to the Boise City Council hearing required by law to enact the ordinance establishing the new tax increment area and reminded the Boise Mayor (Brent Coles) and Council of the commitments that had been made in order to get the tax increment legislation passed.  At that meeting the former Chairmen of the Ada County Highway district also testified that it was his understanding that the tax increment area was NOT to be expanded.  Again, the city ignored both of us.</p>
<p>It is simply time for them to slip off into the sunset.  Hopefully, the CCDC issue will be a major component in the upcoming Boise elections.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/04/12/time-to-dissolve-ccdc/#comment-4733</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon:
Amen on the annexation scam. When I lived in Ada County, the Big City decided to annex us. None of us wanted to be annexed, and we made it clear that if we had wanted to live in Boise, we would have moved to Boise in the first place.

I tried to find some way to fight it, and was told it couldn&#039;t be done. Because we didn&#039;t live in the city, we had no say in the decision, even though it was our property that was being decided on.

I told the mayor that their action reminded me a lot of the way Russia simply informed other countries: &quot;You are now part of the  Union of Socialist Republics, no longer an independent nation.&quot;

He didn&#039;t seem to like that comment much, but didn&#039;t really have any response.

So, all we got for the loss of our &quot;freedom&quot; was higher property taxes. Because, although people living in the county don&#039;t have to pay city property tax, people living in the city still have to pay county property tax -- along with the city taxes. (Isn&#039;t there something wrong with that?)

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon:<br />
Amen on the annexation scam. When I lived in Ada County, the Big City decided to annex us. None of us wanted to be annexed, and we made it clear that if we had wanted to live in Boise, we would have moved to Boise in the first place.</p>
<p>I tried to find some way to fight it, and was told it couldn&#8217;t be done. Because we didn&#8217;t live in the city, we had no say in the decision, even though it was our property that was being decided on.</p>
<p>I told the mayor that their action reminded me a lot of the way Russia simply informed other countries: &#8220;You are now part of the  Union of Socialist Republics, no longer an independent nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t seem to like that comment much, but didn&#8217;t really have any response.</p>
<p>So, all we got for the loss of our &#8220;freedom&#8221; was higher property taxes. Because, although people living in the county don&#8217;t have to pay city property tax, people living in the city still have to pay county property tax &#8212; along with the city taxes. (Isn&#8217;t there something wrong with that?)</p>
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		By: Depot Bill		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How long is our city going to run on &#039;autopilot&#039;?  Where&#039;s the oversight?  With elected officials too timid to take charge, let&#039;s consider dumping trash in &#039;the hole&#039; and fill it up! This will relieve pressure on the county landfill and allow space for more uncontrolled growth. I suggest this be one of the topics at the Chamber-sponsored Sun Valley retreat and wine tasting, where City Policy is made. Alas, &quot;Those who have the hole make the rules&quot;.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long is our city going to run on &#8216;autopilot&#8217;?  Where&#8217;s the oversight?  With elected officials too timid to take charge, let&#8217;s consider dumping trash in &#8216;the hole&#8217; and fill it up! This will relieve pressure on the county landfill and allow space for more uncontrolled growth. I suggest this be one of the topics at the Chamber-sponsored Sun Valley retreat and wine tasting, where City Policy is made. Alas, &#8220;Those who have the hole make the rules&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Sharon Ullman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Ullman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay, Dylan, I will clarify.  Those of us in unincorporated Ada County do not have ANY say about any of the Urban Renewal Agencies in the County, but we are subsidizing all of them financially.  It&#039;s taxation without representation, and therefore ought to be unconstitutional!

Also, although you laugh at the concept of people living outside the city being able to vote in city elections, how would that be any different from the Boise City Councilors voting to annex my neighbors against their will, which they have done?!  Seems like both concepts are equally logically (and legally) flawed, to me.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Dylan, I will clarify.  Those of us in unincorporated Ada County do not have ANY say about any of the Urban Renewal Agencies in the County, but we are subsidizing all of them financially.  It&#8217;s taxation without representation, and therefore ought to be unconstitutional!</p>
<p>Also, although you laugh at the concept of people living outside the city being able to vote in city elections, how would that be any different from the Boise City Councilors voting to annex my neighbors against their will, which they have done?!  Seems like both concepts are equally logically (and legally) flawed, to me.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon:  I agree -- except I think the proper time to dissolve it was about 13 seconds after it was created. It seemed obvious at the time that the plan had too many holes in it (No pun on The Big Hole intended), with lack of sufficient oversight, siphoning off of taxes, etc.

Wonk: If you consider a bunch of shoe boxes, some of them standing on end, to be a &quot;nice-looking skyline,&quot; then I guess it is.
Downtown wasn&#039;t a bad place to be until the BRA tore down everything it could, in hopes somebody would come in and build something. We had a good supply of dirt &quot;parking lots&quot; for a long time, and, yes, CCDC had a hand in changing that -- along with adding The Hole to downtown.  But it seems likely that much of the useful development would have arrived on its own as the population continued to grow.

But whatever the past, there&#039;s no apparent reason for the thing to continue to exist, expand, and deprive the rest of our big, fat, flabby government of taxes.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon:  I agree &#8212; except I think the proper time to dissolve it was about 13 seconds after it was created. It seemed obvious at the time that the plan had too many holes in it (No pun on The Big Hole intended), with lack of sufficient oversight, siphoning off of taxes, etc.</p>
<p>Wonk: If you consider a bunch of shoe boxes, some of them standing on end, to be a &#8220;nice-looking skyline,&#8221; then I guess it is.<br />
Downtown wasn&#8217;t a bad place to be until the BRA tore down everything it could, in hopes somebody would come in and build something. We had a good supply of dirt &#8220;parking lots&#8221; for a long time, and, yes, CCDC had a hand in changing that &#8212; along with adding The Hole to downtown.  But it seems likely that much of the useful development would have arrived on its own as the population continued to grow.</p>
<p>But whatever the past, there&#8217;s no apparent reason for the thing to continue to exist, expand, and deprive the rest of our big, fat, flabby government of taxes.</p>
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