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		By: Leaving Little Bel Air		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/05/09/looking-down-on-development/#comment-5177</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leaving Little Bel Air]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You said: &quot;The once vibrant agricultural fields of Eagle, Star, and Middleton have sprouted acres and acres of big houses with dark roofs and green laws eating up fertilizer and water. Again, if you live in the McMansion it is progress, if you like open space, wildlife, fresh air and clean water it is a disaster. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.&quot;

The &quot;People&quot; of Eagle miss the beauty. The people in the Mcmansions as you call them, don&#039;t care anyway or they wouldn&#039;t have over-built our city into the dredges of a &quot;Little Bel Air&quot;.

But you better watch out, it&#039;s going to get worse, because those of us who have tried to stick it out will eventually leave now that the powers that be are demolishing the foothills as well.   Eagle needs a new name:  I vote for Little Bel Air myself.  The new breed of Eagle residents would LOVE it.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said: &#8220;The once vibrant agricultural fields of Eagle, Star, and Middleton have sprouted acres and acres of big houses with dark roofs and green laws eating up fertilizer and water. Again, if you live in the McMansion it is progress, if you like open space, wildlife, fresh air and clean water it is a disaster. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;People&#8221; of Eagle miss the beauty. The people in the Mcmansions as you call them, don&#8217;t care anyway or they wouldn&#8217;t have over-built our city into the dredges of a &#8220;Little Bel Air&#8221;.</p>
<p>But you better watch out, it&#8217;s going to get worse, because those of us who have tried to stick it out will eventually leave now that the powers that be are demolishing the foothills as well.   Eagle needs a new name:  I vote for Little Bel Air myself.  The new breed of Eagle residents would LOVE it.</p>
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		By: Russ on the Bench		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/05/09/looking-down-on-development/#comment-5176</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 16:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was wondering what the motivation could possibly be that would allow the kind of devastation that &quot;skinny housing&quot; is causing in my neighborhood.

I believe that there isn&#039;t any way to defend the obvious effects of crowding too many people together.

The end result is not only predictable; it is viewable in many cities all over America. If the current direction of housing on the Boise Bench  continues, we will have had the unique experience of watching a ghetto of the future being built.

The people who will profit from this travesty will never live there, but we hope to name our ghetto, Pete Town, after the current Mayor so that this legacy can follow him to future political aspirations.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering what the motivation could possibly be that would allow the kind of devastation that &#8220;skinny housing&#8221; is causing in my neighborhood.</p>
<p>I believe that there isn&#8217;t any way to defend the obvious effects of crowding too many people together.</p>
<p>The end result is not only predictable; it is viewable in many cities all over America. If the current direction of housing on the Boise Bench  continues, we will have had the unique experience of watching a ghetto of the future being built.</p>
<p>The people who will profit from this travesty will never live there, but we hope to name our ghetto, Pete Town, after the current Mayor so that this legacy can follow him to future political aspirations.</p>
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		By: SC resident		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/05/09/looking-down-on-development/#comment-5175</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SC resident]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 11:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I graduated from Meridian High school when the enrollment was less than 400.  Meridan had  1800 population and one cop, Dairy Bar at the north turn.  Boise had a population of 40,000 and a drinking fountain in front of city hall.  My Dad&#039;s family rolled into Boise from Wisconsin when it was a miltary outpost.  I packed up, left Meridian ten years ago to much progress.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I graduated from Meridian High school when the enrollment was less than 400.  Meridan had  1800 population and one cop, Dairy Bar at the north turn.  Boise had a population of 40,000 and a drinking fountain in front of city hall.  My Dad&#8217;s family rolled into Boise from Wisconsin when it was a miltary outpost.  I packed up, left Meridian ten years ago to much progress.</p>
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		By: H. H.		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/05/09/looking-down-on-development/#comment-5174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H. H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you remember the old fairgrounds on Orchard and Fairview - where the freeway is now?  And how one had to actually leave Boise to get to Garden City as well as Meridian. . . I was born here too and I miss being able to see the stars at night from my back yard. Yes there are still a few stars....but the light pollution keeps most of the Milky Way out of our vision.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you remember the old fairgrounds on Orchard and Fairview &#8211; where the freeway is now?  And how one had to actually leave Boise to get to Garden City as well as Meridian. . . I was born here too and I miss being able to see the stars at night from my back yard. Yes there are still a few stars&#8230;.but the light pollution keeps most of the Milky Way out of our vision.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/05/09/looking-down-on-development/#comment-5173</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 13:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that the photo of the subdivision is unappealing and that good planning can help. However, we need to consider that not everyone can afford to live in a subdivision with lots of variety in architecture, maybe a park, and mature landscaping. Lots of folks need homes that are affordable, have room for some kids to play, and, if lucky, a place to park a camper.

I realize that planning is important, but we need to provide housing that will not price people out of the market. It&#039;s like Walmart, I may not like to go there, but a lot of folks need to take advantage of the good prices. (Been here since the early 70s. Born in Idaho)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the photo of the subdivision is unappealing and that good planning can help. However, we need to consider that not everyone can afford to live in a subdivision with lots of variety in architecture, maybe a park, and mature landscaping. Lots of folks need homes that are affordable, have room for some kids to play, and, if lucky, a place to park a camper.</p>
<p>I realize that planning is important, but we need to provide housing that will not price people out of the market. It&#8217;s like Walmart, I may not like to go there, but a lot of folks need to take advantage of the good prices. (Been here since the early 70s. Born in Idaho)</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 17:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes it is sad to see development after development that look all the same or are unappealing.  As ATeam88 said creativity in the code is not there to allow for good progress.

In your flight I am sure overlooked some examples of good developments.  What about the award winning Banner Bank building or Bown Crossing as a nice example of infill?

In the Daily, Rocky Barker had an interesting piece on open space.  It basically said Teluride&#039; s Open Space Levy lacked the funds for purchasing a key piece of land, so the community members forked over the remaining funds(25 million). Boise&#039;s levy funds are about exhausted and private landowners should not be responsible for providing open space.  How about some community members step up to the plate to preserve the Foothills?

EDITOR NOTE--Banner bank is a perfect example of the problem!  It is green, award winning, pleasing to the eye. BUT it is jammed into a small parcel of downtown.  Double the size of the land or even put it in the center of a block with nice landscaping, underground parking, and a loop drive to drop off passengers and you have something.  The Grove and Qwest center is typical of too much building on too little land.  Boise is a &quot;small town&quot; no matter how much you crowd the core.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is sad to see development after development that look all the same or are unappealing.  As ATeam88 said creativity in the code is not there to allow for good progress.</p>
<p>In your flight I am sure overlooked some examples of good developments.  What about the award winning Banner Bank building or Bown Crossing as a nice example of infill?</p>
<p>In the Daily, Rocky Barker had an interesting piece on open space.  It basically said Teluride&#8217; s Open Space Levy lacked the funds for purchasing a key piece of land, so the community members forked over the remaining funds(25 million). Boise&#8217;s levy funds are about exhausted and private landowners should not be responsible for providing open space.  How about some community members step up to the plate to preserve the Foothills?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Banner bank is a perfect example of the problem!  It is green, award winning, pleasing to the eye. BUT it is jammed into a small parcel of downtown.  Double the size of the land or even put it in the center of a block with nice landscaping, underground parking, and a loop drive to drop off passengers and you have something.  The Grove and Qwest center is typical of too much building on too little land.  Boise is a &#8220;small town&#8221; no matter how much you crowd the core.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/05/09/looking-down-on-development/#comment-5171</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 16:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Harris Ranch

I&#039;ve been going out there since there was an old car graveyard, just at the base of what is now Warm Springs Mesa.  (Obviously a kid is attracted to something as alluring as a car graveyard!  Back in those days, you went past the Idaho State Pen and the big Gate City Steel warehouse to get there.)

Nowadays we (myself and several other cyclists) refer to Barber Drive as &quot;The Cow Loop.&quot;  Porcupine is right - the cows are still there, off and on, depending on the time of year.  But you can bet the city-slickers will eventually demand their removal.  &quot;Cows are stinky!&quot; (in a whiny voice, by transplanted people who don&#039;t realize there used to be a ranch at &quot;Harris Ranch.&quot;)

I&#039;m trying to treasure up the mental images.  The pastures and cows.  The &quot;rock chucks&quot; (currently in prolific abundance).  The birds of prey.  The deer - I&#039;ve seen 20 or 30 before, right by the side of the road.  I&#039;ve chased a lone coyote for half-a-mile down that road.  I love The Cow Loop.  Soon it will all be gone.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Harris Ranch</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been going out there since there was an old car graveyard, just at the base of what is now Warm Springs Mesa.  (Obviously a kid is attracted to something as alluring as a car graveyard!  Back in those days, you went past the Idaho State Pen and the big Gate City Steel warehouse to get there.)</p>
<p>Nowadays we (myself and several other cyclists) refer to Barber Drive as &#8220;The Cow Loop.&#8221;  Porcupine is right &#8211; the cows are still there, off and on, depending on the time of year.  But you can bet the city-slickers will eventually demand their removal.  &#8220;Cows are stinky!&#8221; (in a whiny voice, by transplanted people who don&#8217;t realize there used to be a ranch at &#8220;Harris Ranch.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to treasure up the mental images.  The pastures and cows.  The &#8220;rock chucks&#8221; (currently in prolific abundance).  The birds of prey.  The deer &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen 20 or 30 before, right by the side of the road.  I&#8217;ve chased a lone coyote for half-a-mile down that road.  I love The Cow Loop.  Soon it will all be gone.</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 15:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr Guardian
Yep
The Harris Ranch folks still have their cows... over 400 so I&#039;m told.  How long will they be there? Your guess is as good as mine.

But like I said, you need to get out more.  Try flying over, or ( to reduce your carbon footprint)  bike out in September. I know biking is a large come down for you high rollers in helicopters.  It is  always fun to see the little babies show up.  I will miss that when it is gone.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Guardian<br />
Yep<br />
The Harris Ranch folks still have their cows&#8230; over 400 so I&#8217;m told.  How long will they be there? Your guess is as good as mine.</p>
<p>But like I said, you need to get out more.  Try flying over, or ( to reduce your carbon footprint)  bike out in September. I know biking is a large come down for you high rollers in helicopters.  It is  always fun to see the little babies show up.  I will miss that when it is gone.</p>
<p>Porcupine</p>
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		By: porcupine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 10:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Guardian
Even though you have been&quot;38 years in Boise&quot;,  doesn&#039;t make you much of a cowboy.

Your statement  &quot;Harris Ranch looked better with cattle.&quot; shows that you haven&#039;t noticed in the last 38 years that Harris Ranch moves their cows up to the hills above Lucky Peak for the summer.  My bet is the &quot;cows will come home&quot; again this year as they have done for the last 50.

Maybe you should get out more?

PS I have lived next to the Harris Fam. for 60 years now... good folks.

EDITOR NOTE-- Huh?  Cows among all those houses and plans for retail, hotels, meeting facilities, and they won&#039;t build the bridge they once promised?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Guardian<br />
Even though you have been&#8221;38 years in Boise&#8221;,  doesn&#8217;t make you much of a cowboy.</p>
<p>Your statement  &#8220;Harris Ranch looked better with cattle.&#8221; shows that you haven&#8217;t noticed in the last 38 years that Harris Ranch moves their cows up to the hills above Lucky Peak for the summer.  My bet is the &#8220;cows will come home&#8221; again this year as they have done for the last 50.</p>
<p>Maybe you should get out more?</p>
<p>PS I have lived next to the Harris Fam. for 60 years now&#8230; good folks.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211; Huh?  Cows among all those houses and plans for retail, hotels, meeting facilities, and they won&#8217;t build the bridge they once promised?</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 02:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gosh, Dave!  I thought you were an old-timer!  39 years?  I was born in the old downtown St. Alphonsus you speak of, a number of years before that.  Curtis Road was WAY out in the sticks at the time.

Once when I was lamenting how MY town has changed, the brother-in-law, who owns a retail business here, got quite defensive, declaring how good all the influx is for his business.  And I s&#039;pose I should be conflicted - I work for a company that is dependent on construction to stay afloat.

But when I ride my bike through sprawling suburbia, with a neverending stream of cars at the elbow, I can&#039;t help but miss the pastures and fields that have been displaced by seas of rooftops.  &quot;They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.&quot;

I was just watching the local evening news.  The reporterette was gushing about how Boise has landed on yet one more &quot;top ten list&quot; or some such, like it&#039;s a WONDERFUL thing.  I&#039;d like to see more publicity about how crummy our schools are.  (Aren&#039;t we always hearing that?)  And how Idaho is #50 in community colleges.  And the nursing shortage.  How bad the air sometimes gets.  Gas prices are #3 here, behind only California and Illinois.  I occasionally see a bumpersticker: &quot;Idaho, the slave-wage state.&quot;  Why can&#039;t they just move away if it&#039;s so awful?

Maybe even make some stuff up... the Nazis have moved down from northern Idaho and are recruiting our youth.  Graffiti gangs take over the streets after dark.  Drive-by shootings. Could somebody start up a &quot;Chamber of Anti-Commerce,&quot; just to drive a propaganda machine?

I&#039;d gladly give up the mall, and the Taco Bell arena, and the 30-screen entertainment complex, and the connector, if I could go back to when the BJC Gym was THE indoor arena, the Boise and Pinney and Ada were the movie-houses, and if you wanted to shop at the mall, Karcher was a short drive away.

Thanks, Dave!  I&#039;m feeling bitterly nostalgic now.  You think Boise is a nice place to live?  You shoulda seen it 40 years ago!  The bad genie is out of the bottle.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, Dave!  I thought you were an old-timer!  39 years?  I was born in the old downtown St. Alphonsus you speak of, a number of years before that.  Curtis Road was WAY out in the sticks at the time.</p>
<p>Once when I was lamenting how MY town has changed, the brother-in-law, who owns a retail business here, got quite defensive, declaring how good all the influx is for his business.  And I s&#8217;pose I should be conflicted &#8211; I work for a company that is dependent on construction to stay afloat.</p>
<p>But when I ride my bike through sprawling suburbia, with a neverending stream of cars at the elbow, I can&#8217;t help but miss the pastures and fields that have been displaced by seas of rooftops.  &#8220;They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was just watching the local evening news.  The reporterette was gushing about how Boise has landed on yet one more &#8220;top ten list&#8221; or some such, like it&#8217;s a WONDERFUL thing.  I&#8217;d like to see more publicity about how crummy our schools are.  (Aren&#8217;t we always hearing that?)  And how Idaho is #50 in community colleges.  And the nursing shortage.  How bad the air sometimes gets.  Gas prices are #3 here, behind only California and Illinois.  I occasionally see a bumpersticker: &#8220;Idaho, the slave-wage state.&#8221;  Why can&#8217;t they just move away if it&#8217;s so awful?</p>
<p>Maybe even make some stuff up&#8230; the Nazis have moved down from northern Idaho and are recruiting our youth.  Graffiti gangs take over the streets after dark.  Drive-by shootings. Could somebody start up a &#8220;Chamber of Anti-Commerce,&#8221; just to drive a propaganda machine?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d gladly give up the mall, and the Taco Bell arena, and the 30-screen entertainment complex, and the connector, if I could go back to when the BJC Gym was THE indoor arena, the Boise and Pinney and Ada were the movie-houses, and if you wanted to shop at the mall, Karcher was a short drive away.</p>
<p>Thanks, Dave!  I&#8217;m feeling bitterly nostalgic now.  You think Boise is a nice place to live?  You shoulda seen it 40 years ago!  The bad genie is out of the bottle.</p>
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