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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 03:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Guardian, I think Clancy is right on this one. McCall city council recoprds show that Bieter was the city attorney from at least January 2001 through at least June of 2001. (that is as far back as the council meetings go on the internet.)

So it appears that our mayor was indeed involved in the whole mess.

EDITOR NOTE--Cyclops, no problem if you have the research.  I am  often accused of being unfair to Team Dave and since the mainstreamers and mcCall press release didn&#039;t implicate Bieter, I didn&#039;t want to jump on board.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guardian, I think Clancy is right on this one. McCall city council recoprds show that Bieter was the city attorney from at least January 2001 through at least June of 2001. (that is as far back as the council meetings go on the internet.)</p>
<p>So it appears that our mayor was indeed involved in the whole mess.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Cyclops, no problem if you have the research.  I am  often accused of being unfair to Team Dave and since the mainstreamers and mcCall press release didn&#8217;t implicate Bieter, I didn&#8217;t want to jump on board.</p>
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		By: Snoop		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 02:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It sounds like you have lived here long enough to see history repeating itself Treva. It makes me sick to see those homes littered across subdivisions unfinished. Especially from builders who shouldn’t have been in the market to begin with. It is just like to dot-com boom.

Everybody thought they were a wise and all knowing investor, when in reality if you weren’t making money at that time something was definitely wrong with you. The same is true in the building industry the last few years.

Everyone became a realtor, mortgage person, and builder. I have seen cell phone salesman calling themselves builders. I have seen just about every profession calling themselves a realtor. In a booming market anyone can prosper. The slow down is a good thing. It weeds out everyone that had no business in the market to begin whether they were local or from out of state.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you have lived here long enough to see history repeating itself Treva. It makes me sick to see those homes littered across subdivisions unfinished. Especially from builders who shouldn’t have been in the market to begin with. It is just like to dot-com boom.</p>
<p>Everybody thought they were a wise and all knowing investor, when in reality if you weren’t making money at that time something was definitely wrong with you. The same is true in the building industry the last few years.</p>
<p>Everyone became a realtor, mortgage person, and builder. I have seen cell phone salesman calling themselves builders. I have seen just about every profession calling themselves a realtor. In a booming market anyone can prosper. The slow down is a good thing. It weeds out everyone that had no business in the market to begin whether they were local or from out of state.</p>
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		By: NotQuiteInTheKnow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see any discussion about the issue of City limits.  It seems to me that a few years ago McCall wanted to annex in the houses on the north side of the lake.  Those properties receive City services (including police) but pay no City taxes. As far as I know the (ex) Council declined to annex those homes, leaving the City to continue to provide services for owners who do not pay for those services.  Why the Council chose that route is unknown - I&#039;m sure there is a tangled web of local politics (including the local paper, which argued against annexation.)  Someone please correct me if my rememberances are wrong, but the City seems to have done itself a great disservice, and now leaves itself with an even smaller base (who should have been paying all along) to rectify their current financial woes.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any discussion about the issue of City limits.  It seems to me that a few years ago McCall wanted to annex in the houses on the north side of the lake.  Those properties receive City services (including police) but pay no City taxes. As far as I know the (ex) Council declined to annex those homes, leaving the City to continue to provide services for owners who do not pay for those services.  Why the Council chose that route is unknown &#8211; I&#8217;m sure there is a tangled web of local politics (including the local paper, which argued against annexation.)  Someone please correct me if my rememberances are wrong, but the City seems to have done itself a great disservice, and now leaves itself with an even smaller base (who should have been paying all along) to rectify their current financial woes.</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 16:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Snoop, for correcting me with regard to Commish Yzaguirre.  I think with the recent market changes in real estate perhaps the rapid growth here in Eagle will slow down for awhile.  The quality of life has definitely deteriorated since we moved here from N. Boise several years ago.

It will be interesting to see what happens to recently curbed and guttered new developments.  I remember in the early 80&#039;s when builders walked away from half finished houses and left the state leaving banks to scramble to get properties finished and on the market. I worked for a title company at that time and the foreclosure department was really busy. Lots of money was lost by many people.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Snoop, for correcting me with regard to Commish Yzaguirre.  I think with the recent market changes in real estate perhaps the rapid growth here in Eagle will slow down for awhile.  The quality of life has definitely deteriorated since we moved here from N. Boise several years ago.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what happens to recently curbed and guttered new developments.  I remember in the early 80&#8217;s when builders walked away from half finished houses and left the state leaving banks to scramble to get properties finished and on the market. I worked for a title company at that time and the foreclosure department was really busy. Lots of money was lost by many people.</p>
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		By: Snoop		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 13:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Treva, you are mistaken about the county commissioner Rick Yzaguirre. If you actually knew what was going on in Eagle you would know that they were very unhappy with him because he did not side with them when it came down to the land grab between Star and Eagle. He was acting as he should because he no longer represents Eagle, he represents the county. I think your implications are way off here.

Clippity is right, Eagle needs to take note but for a different reason. Eagle wants to start their own water company which is what McCall did with the sewer. The government needs to continue to let private entities operate these utilities. That is what they specialize in.

I believe Clancy is also right here, growth cannot be the scapegoat for mismanagement. If that were true you could blame growth for the two guys that drove the Zamboni to Burger King. If we didn’t have all those danged ice skaters move here they would have never been tempted to drive that thing in the first place :-)


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Treva, you are mistaken about the county commissioner Rick Yzaguirre. If you actually knew what was going on in Eagle you would know that they were very unhappy with him because he did not side with them when it came down to the land grab between Star and Eagle. He was acting as he should because he no longer represents Eagle, he represents the county. I think your implications are way off here.</p>
<p>Clippity is right, Eagle needs to take note but for a different reason. Eagle wants to start their own water company which is what McCall did with the sewer. The government needs to continue to let private entities operate these utilities. That is what they specialize in.</p>
<p>I believe Clancy is also right here, growth cannot be the scapegoat for mismanagement. If that were true you could blame growth for the two guys that drove the Zamboni to Burger King. If we didn’t have all those danged ice skaters move here they would have never been tempted to drive that thing in the first place 🙂</p>
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		By: dh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just another example of what happens when the locals let the carpetbaggers hypnotize them with tails of derring do and riches beyond their wildest nocturnal emmissions.

As the one carpenter ant, whose wings had just fallen off, said to the local wood ant,  &quot;See that bare and eroded hill over there that used to be a forest?  WE did that and we&#039;re DAMNED proud to be FROM there.  We killed everything we could, crapped on what wouldn&#039;t die, and starved ourselves out.     Now we&#039;re here to &quot;improve&quot; your forest. Hurry up and scoot over so we can get to work on your trees.  My pals and relatives will be here shortly.&quot;  &quot;Oh by the way, Your trails and measly trees really SUCK!  Can you loan me some money?  If you won&#039;t give me money, why, why, We&#039;ll just go somewhere else!&quot;  (Where is the DDT when you REALLY need it?)

Emmett, you better take the high ground at the top of Freezeout SOON.  If Eagle and Star get there first you&#039;ll soon  be forcefully reminded of what rolls down hill!

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another example of what happens when the locals let the carpetbaggers hypnotize them with tails of derring do and riches beyond their wildest nocturnal emmissions.</p>
<p>As the one carpenter ant, whose wings had just fallen off, said to the local wood ant,  &#8220;See that bare and eroded hill over there that used to be a forest?  WE did that and we&#8217;re DAMNED proud to be FROM there.  We killed everything we could, crapped on what wouldn&#8217;t die, and starved ourselves out.     Now we&#8217;re here to &#8220;improve&#8221; your forest. Hurry up and scoot over so we can get to work on your trees.  My pals and relatives will be here shortly.&#8221;  &#8220;Oh by the way, Your trails and measly trees really SUCK!  Can you loan me some money?  If you won&#8217;t give me money, why, why, We&#8217;ll just go somewhere else!&#8221;  (Where is the DDT when you REALLY need it?)</p>
<p>Emmett, you better take the high ground at the top of Freezeout SOON.  If Eagle and Star get there first you&#8217;ll soon  be forcefully reminded of what rolls down hill!</p>
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		By: Depot Bill		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/05/10/city-of-mccall-faces-bankruptcy/#comment-5188</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 23:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just glad that I live in the City of Boise, where decisions like this are made at the Arid Club by overpaid city-sanctioned  appointees whom have the direct input of Chamber &#039;growth groupees&#039; and the developers they represent.  I think &#039;Ignorance&#039; is a little northwest of &#039;Bliss&#039;.  I think &#039;ignorance&#039; is &#039;Boise Valley&#039;!  Unchecked growth is good!  Downtown green areas and landscaped buildings are highly overrated anyway.  Build to the curb, I always say!  Make &#039;infill&#039; work !!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just glad that I live in the City of Boise, where decisions like this are made at the Arid Club by overpaid city-sanctioned  appointees whom have the direct input of Chamber &#8216;growth groupees&#8217; and the developers they represent.  I think &#8216;Ignorance&#8217; is a little northwest of &#8216;Bliss&#8217;.  I think &#8216;ignorance&#8217; is &#8216;Boise Valley&#8217;!  Unchecked growth is good!  Downtown green areas and landscaped buildings are highly overrated anyway.  Build to the curb, I always say!  Make &#8216;infill&#8217; work !!</p>
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		By: Wonk Vader		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 20:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Guardian has left out some facts, either on purpose or ignorance. Was the city charging a hookup fee to new homes? If not, city officials have no one to blame but themselves.

Hookup fees are used only for system expansions, not maintenance, and they&#039;re only charged on new customers. Many cities use that method to keep pace with growth. In fact, it would be useful to have hookup fees for water and electricity as well, so they don&#039;t have to keep raising rates to pay for capacity expansions and stringing power and water lines to new development.

It&#039;s misleading to hold this up as an example to show that growth doesn&#039;t pay for itself. It&#039;s an example of city officials not being good stewards of their quality of life or city&#039;s financial solvency.

EDITOR NOTE--Can&#039;t speak to fees etc.  NONE of the current office holders were involved with problems the former administration created.  If you know facts we have omitted, please share them with our readers.  The entire 7 page document from the city of McCall is attached.  What do you know that we don&#039;t?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Guardian has left out some facts, either on purpose or ignorance. Was the city charging a hookup fee to new homes? If not, city officials have no one to blame but themselves.</p>
<p>Hookup fees are used only for system expansions, not maintenance, and they&#8217;re only charged on new customers. Many cities use that method to keep pace with growth. In fact, it would be useful to have hookup fees for water and electricity as well, so they don&#8217;t have to keep raising rates to pay for capacity expansions and stringing power and water lines to new development.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s misleading to hold this up as an example to show that growth doesn&#8217;t pay for itself. It&#8217;s an example of city officials not being good stewards of their quality of life or city&#8217;s financial solvency.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Can&#8217;t speak to fees etc.  NONE of the current office holders were involved with problems the former administration created.  If you know facts we have omitted, please share them with our readers.  The entire 7 page document from the city of McCall is attached.  What do you know that we don&#8217;t?</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 19:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with Clippityclop.  This is what happens when a small group of people who have been running things for far too many years start having visions of grandeur.  The Eagle council has a friend at the County in the form of former Eagle mayor Rick Yzaguirre.  Guess that means they only need to strong arm one other commissioner to get whatever they want.  I hope Tilman and Woods are against the Eagle land grab.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Clippityclop.  This is what happens when a small group of people who have been running things for far too many years start having visions of grandeur.  The Eagle council has a friend at the County in the form of former Eagle mayor Rick Yzaguirre.  Guess that means they only need to strong arm one other commissioner to get whatever they want.  I hope Tilman and Woods are against the Eagle land grab.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 18:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not know the technicalities of this case, but I don&#039;t think growth initially had anything to do with this case.  It was a environmental decision to improve water quality.  I remember when the sewer was installed around the lake.  But it does look silly, as that city should have more than enough money (tax dollars) to pay the bill with the growth that has taken place.

Second,  guess who was advising the City of McCall at that time as City Attorney?  Dave Bieter.

EDITOR NOTE--when the sewer plant sends dirty water downstream it isn&#039;t because FEWER people are using the system.  Record does NOT reflect that Bieter was involved.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know the technicalities of this case, but I don&#8217;t think growth initially had anything to do with this case.  It was a environmental decision to improve water quality.  I remember when the sewer was installed around the lake.  But it does look silly, as that city should have more than enough money (tax dollars) to pay the bill with the growth that has taken place.</p>
<p>Second,  guess who was advising the City of McCall at that time as City Attorney?  Dave Bieter.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;when the sewer plant sends dirty water downstream it isn&#8217;t because FEWER people are using the system.  Record does NOT reflect that Bieter was involved.</p>
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