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		By: Greenman		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5537</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greenman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While you point out several &quot;issues&quot;, it seems you may be missing the &quot;big picture&quot;. Having local control over issues like transportation, parks and infrastructure requires leadership, imagination and courage. Like it or not there is more at stake than simply the fact that money is being spent. It seems to me that the mayor has put a lot of effort into identifying areas where WE want to see discretionary funds spent.

Do you realize that several of the city departments you are criticizing require NO taxes to operate? Do you realize projects like the Boise River Recreation Park will generate revenues sufficient to pay the project off in less than three years - after that it continues to generate income, improves run-down areas in Boise and Garden City greatly and fixes a badly broken stretch of the river in the process!

It&#039;s also interesting that you criticize the lack of use of the Depot then criticize moving the locomotive to the Depot - one small step that will make the Depot&#039;s use more viable in financial terms. Seems like you want your cake and eat it too!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you point out several &#8220;issues&#8221;, it seems you may be missing the &#8220;big picture&#8221;. Having local control over issues like transportation, parks and infrastructure requires leadership, imagination and courage. Like it or not there is more at stake than simply the fact that money is being spent. It seems to me that the mayor has put a lot of effort into identifying areas where WE want to see discretionary funds spent.</p>
<p>Do you realize that several of the city departments you are criticizing require NO taxes to operate? Do you realize projects like the Boise River Recreation Park will generate revenues sufficient to pay the project off in less than three years &#8211; after that it continues to generate income, improves run-down areas in Boise and Garden City greatly and fixes a badly broken stretch of the river in the process!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting that you criticize the lack of use of the Depot then criticize moving the locomotive to the Depot &#8211; one small step that will make the Depot&#8217;s use more viable in financial terms. Seems like you want your cake and eat it too!</p>
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		By: Bob Blurton		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Blurton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I went to both planning meetings long ago and one of the key reasons for putting in one of these kayak parks is the HUGE benefit to the local economy.

If I remember correctly, they pay for themselves in two years and keep on paying the initial investment every two years into the future.

Our Parks &amp; Recreation Chief came from Golden Colorado where he oversaw construction of one of these in the same capacity.

They benefit: kayakers, canoeists, tubers, boogy boarders, fisherman (it creates habitat and pools), strollers, and all the people who stop to watch the action.

Rodeos and out of town kayaker visits hugely benefit local businesses. It also gives benefits in air quality for the very large amount of trips that do not end up going up to the Payette River to kayak, but stay in town.

The whitewater at that location now is caused by a dangerous pile of concrete that was dumped into the river to back the water up for a cheap/crude canal diversion.

These have been built all over the country and you will not find a town that does not just LOVE their (white)water park.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to both planning meetings long ago and one of the key reasons for putting in one of these kayak parks is the HUGE benefit to the local economy.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, they pay for themselves in two years and keep on paying the initial investment every two years into the future.</p>
<p>Our Parks &#038; Recreation Chief came from Golden Colorado where he oversaw construction of one of these in the same capacity.</p>
<p>They benefit: kayakers, canoeists, tubers, boogy boarders, fisherman (it creates habitat and pools), strollers, and all the people who stop to watch the action.</p>
<p>Rodeos and out of town kayaker visits hugely benefit local businesses. It also gives benefits in air quality for the very large amount of trips that do not end up going up to the Payette River to kayak, but stay in town.</p>
<p>The whitewater at that location now is caused by a dangerous pile of concrete that was dumped into the river to back the water up for a cheap/crude canal diversion.</p>
<p>These have been built all over the country and you will not find a town that does not just LOVE their (white)water park.</p>
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		By: kmarko		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5535</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to know the justification for a 12% budget increase -- line by line. Has the city&#039;s population increased by 12% in the last year? I think not.

Just because the city has money to spend from increased property valuations doesn&#039;t mean they should spend it all. How about helping out on property taxes by actually reducing some mill levies for a change?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know the justification for a 12% budget increase &#8212; line by line. Has the city&#8217;s population increased by 12% in the last year? I think not.</p>
<p>Just because the city has money to spend from increased property valuations doesn&#8217;t mean they should spend it all. How about helping out on property taxes by actually reducing some mill levies for a change?</p>
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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5534</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Grumpy!
How much do you want to bet the city charges us to use those meeting rooms at the &quot;new&quot; libraries?

No room for the citizens to actually USE the libraries? Who would expect any thing different?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Grumpy!<br />
How much do you want to bet the city charges us to use those meeting rooms at the &#8220;new&#8221; libraries?</p>
<p>No room for the citizens to actually USE the libraries? Who would expect any thing different?</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5533</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with much on the list but I take huge exception to your comment on the kayak park. It is not just a kayak park. It is much much more. It will be a city park that has something for everyone and will be 2nd to none in the world.

Calling it a &quot;kayak park&quot; and leaving out the &quot;rest of the story&quot; is disingenuous at best and probably bordering on dishonest.

You can read the rest-of-the-story in my comment in the Mayor&#039;s hotline thread.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much on the list but I take huge exception to your comment on the kayak park. It is not just a kayak park. It is much much more. It will be a city park that has something for everyone and will be 2nd to none in the world.</p>
<p>Calling it a &#8220;kayak park&#8221; and leaving out the &#8220;rest of the story&#8221; is disingenuous at best and probably bordering on dishonest.</p>
<p>You can read the rest-of-the-story in my comment in the Mayor&#8217;s hotline thread.</p>
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		By: Brat1		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5532</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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Probably Dave Bieter wants the White-water park to be named Bieters Washout! What a legacy he will have-- Circumventing the voters at every turn, spending money like a drunken sailer, more money spent on lawsuits than on citizens needs-A forced annexation against citizen wishes for which they can&#039;t provide services for.

All the monies spent on promoting this area could be spent better taking care of those who are already here first!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably Dave Bieter wants the White-water park to be named Bieters Washout! What a legacy he will have&#8211; Circumventing the voters at every turn, spending money like a drunken sailer, more money spent on lawsuits than on citizens needs-A forced annexation against citizen wishes for which they can&#8217;t provide services for.</p>
<p>All the monies spent on promoting this area could be spent better taking care of those who are already here first!</p>
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		By: Sara		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5531</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually the Ustick Library site and the SE Boise site are full service libraries.  The other two are storefronts.

Regarding the City Hall west.  I don&#039;t know why it will take $4+ million to renovate and furnish.  All these people who will work there already work someplace else.  One would think they have furniture.  It may not be brand new but I bet it&#039;s functional.  Use that and save a little money for the taxpayers on the mill levy.

I wish there was someone on the Council who could say - stop spending so much.  Hey maybe Tibbs might want to take that on - ya think?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the Ustick Library site and the SE Boise site are full service libraries.  The other two are storefronts.</p>
<p>Regarding the City Hall west.  I don&#8217;t know why it will take $4+ million to renovate and furnish.  All these people who will work there already work someplace else.  One would think they have furniture.  It may not be brand new but I bet it&#8217;s functional.  Use that and save a little money for the taxpayers on the mill levy.</p>
<p>I wish there was someone on the Council who could say &#8211; stop spending so much.  Hey maybe Tibbs might want to take that on &#8211; ya think?</p>
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		By: Grumpy Old Guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5530</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy Old Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK,  the libraries.  Have you looked at those plans?   There is NO space for library users in them.  These are going to be the home-work and after-school hang-out places for kids?   Where.  And, what about reference assistance.  Where is that located on those plans.  Meeting rooms - fine, good service, but where are the places for a relatively large number of people to sit and relax and read and use the resources - and, come to that, where is the space for the resources?   I really don&#039;t see much space for reading materials there.

I&#039;m also worried about traffic around the Ustick site, too.  I haven&#039;t driven there lately but I seem to remember it as congested with left-turns not the easiest things in the world to execute.

I&#039;m sorry that our &quot;powers that be&quot; are offering these small (cramped?) areas which don&#039;t appear to be anywhere near full-service sites and calling them library service.   They really look a lot more like stationary book mobiles than a place to attract reading, contemplation, research, or even comfortable user spaces.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,  the libraries.  Have you looked at those plans?   There is NO space for library users in them.  These are going to be the home-work and after-school hang-out places for kids?   Where.  And, what about reference assistance.  Where is that located on those plans.  Meeting rooms &#8211; fine, good service, but where are the places for a relatively large number of people to sit and relax and read and use the resources &#8211; and, come to that, where is the space for the resources?   I really don&#8217;t see much space for reading materials there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also worried about traffic around the Ustick site, too.  I haven&#8217;t driven there lately but I seem to remember it as congested with left-turns not the easiest things in the world to execute.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that our &#8220;powers that be&#8221; are offering these small (cramped?) areas which don&#8217;t appear to be anywhere near full-service sites and calling them library service.   They really look a lot more like stationary book mobiles than a place to attract reading, contemplation, research, or even comfortable user spaces.</p>
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		By: Concerned resident		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5529</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned resident]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In addition to the faults you already pointed out with Team Dave trying to sell &quot;City Hall West&quot; to the voting public, here&#039;s another thought.

Due to it&#039;s horrible location, the only ways to access that area are from Emerald (east or west) or Mitchell (north to Fairview).  Now imagine the traffic nighmare that will result when you have marked police cars coming and going at shift change and throughout the day, unmarked police cars doing the same, civilian police employee cars, fire administration employee cars, and those of however many other City services end up out there.  If I lived in that area - and thankfully, I don&#039;t - I would be outraged.

Trust me, you will not want to go anywhere near that general area during daytime hours, lest you be caught in one gigantic traffic jam.  The whole scenario with this building is the epitome of the old &quot;lipstick on a pig&quot; analogy.

Nobody in a leadership position at City Hall has been able to do this right, so they simply make do with the &quot;least worst&quot; option.  I only hope the voters will see through what a sham this is.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the faults you already pointed out with Team Dave trying to sell &#8220;City Hall West&#8221; to the voting public, here&#8217;s another thought.</p>
<p>Due to it&#8217;s horrible location, the only ways to access that area are from Emerald (east or west) or Mitchell (north to Fairview).  Now imagine the traffic nighmare that will result when you have marked police cars coming and going at shift change and throughout the day, unmarked police cars doing the same, civilian police employee cars, fire administration employee cars, and those of however many other City services end up out there.  If I lived in that area &#8211; and thankfully, I don&#8217;t &#8211; I would be outraged.</p>
<p>Trust me, you will not want to go anywhere near that general area during daytime hours, lest you be caught in one gigantic traffic jam.  The whole scenario with this building is the epitome of the old &#8220;lipstick on a pig&#8221; analogy.</p>
<p>Nobody in a leadership position at City Hall has been able to do this right, so they simply make do with the &#8220;least worst&#8221; option.  I only hope the voters will see through what a sham this is.</p>
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		By: Watchout		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/06/25/boise-city-campaign-issues/#comment-5528</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Sisyphus.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sisyphus.</p>
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