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6/22/07
Gaylon Hughes
1273 N. Astor Pl.
Boise, ID 83704
Half-Way House: I’m calling to voice my concern about the new halfway house or inmate detention center, or whatever you want to call it, that’s been placed with eight men living on my street now without any notification what-so-ever to me or my children. I believe this is an instance that is unsafe, and to me it’s also a commercial venture in which people are profiting in a residential district, and I don’t believe this is valid. If you would like to contact me, I would love to speak to you about it. Thank you.
M/CC PDS

6/22/07
Martha Boeckling
83704
Half-Way House: I will not give my address for public record since I do fear retaliation. I have been following the story about the Dennis Mansfield stuff that’s in the paper, about what he is trying to do in our neighborhoods, particularly on the west side of Boise, and I just wanted to voice my concern about this, that he has been able to do this. I think the Mayor needs to do something about this, and I think he needs to make his presence known. I just wanted to let you know that I am a voter and I will be considering that in November depending on what happens in this issue. Thank you.
M/CC PDS

6/23/07
Glenn Miles
1306 N. 26th
Boise, ID 83702
BPD: My lawyer and I together observed two white vans with expired license plates. One was parked in front of my place at 1306, and also parked in front of 1304 N. 26th with license plate # 2C73701, computer going full boar inside the van. The individual did not answer to anybody calling outside the van. He later came out of the home of 1304 N. 26th. The license plate expiration date was January of 2007. It was an Econoline Ford and for some strange reason we’re seeing more and more of this in the North End and there needs to be a clamp down. Oddly enough 26th was blocked off going to State St. and no one needed to be particularly parked there for any reason other than skull-duggery if they’re going to have a license plate expired in January. If the police force isn’t going to look into the number of vans going through the North End with expired license plates, it makes you wonder from a neighborhood watch standpoint, why neighborhood watch no longer is a phone number in usage, and what recourse does the public have to make sure that some of this stuff is clamped down for a targeted type of crime. Thank you so very much, Miles out.
M/CC BPD

6/23/07
Glenn Miles
BPD: I would urge you not to sign the union contract. Former Police Chief Church had a really great idea that if we cannot re-assign the policemen within the city, there’s no effective control or discipline. Certain areas of the town in the North End are not enforcing the decal code, for instance IA MJI56 has an over-expired decal on the back and one of the indications on N. 26th St. is that there’s an over-occupancy of this house. Sometimes this ford is parked in front across the street, as now, and sometimes in back. The police tend to be looking the other way, and the only way that something like that can be effectively changed is if the Chief of Police can re-assign the policemen and exercise meaningful discipline. There are other reasons that I have for this, but by cracky, I would argue that either we need to move to the Ada County / Boise City police and get rid of the union contract for disciplinary reasons, or we need to figure out some way of making effective change. Thank you.
M/CC BPD

6/24/07
Anonymous
Police Contract: I wanted to leave a message regarding the lack of a police contract for the Boise City Policemen that’s been going on now for several years. I wanted to comment that my husband has been on the force for quite a while, but I was shocked the first three years that we were here in Boise and my husband was a member of the police department. His salary put us under the poverty level, and my kids at the elementary school qualified for poverty level for reduced lunches for my children. It was embarrassing; here my husband was a Boise City policeman and we were making below what is considered in Idaho as poverty wages. What Bieter is doing by not having a contract, especially for the young officers on the force, is a crime. He will not be getting my vote this election. Thank you very much.
M/CC BPD

6/24/07
Mika Holloway
Police Contract: Mayor Bieter and City Council, say you’ll get used to my name because if there’s an issue in our city that needs to be looked at, I’m an educated advocate, X-Marine. I’m involved in veteran’s affairs, city affairs, county affairs, and now I’m calling you about this march on City Hall with the Boise PD. You’ve got plenty of money for the Olympics that are coming and the Harris Ranch development. You’re going to hire 130 more; do you think a 130 more police officers are going to come into your city and work for you if you won’t pay them properly? What the heck. I’m a former dispatcher too from the state of California and we didn’t treat our police officers that way. They didn’t ever, ever have to march on city hall for a pay raise. There was a 10%, if not a 15% pay raise, not the lousy pay raise that you’re proposing. Give them some money; that and teachers too. Teachers and police officers are the best citizens we can have in our communities. All of you should understand that. Hello Sly, if you don’t know who Mick Sly is, ask your child’s neighbors, they know. Well, get it right you guys and quite fooling around with these police officers who are saving your life, and your children, and your grandchildren from harms way. Good bye.
M/CC BPD


6/24/07
Anonymous
Police Contract: Regarding the police – screw ‘em. They make up to $49,000 after five years of work. What’s the medium income in Idaho for a job that doesn’t require a college degree? Screw ‘em!
M/CC BPD
6/25/07
Anonymous
Police Contract: I do not want to give my name because of possible intimidation by the Boise Police. I’m really upset about what is happening. I just found out that the Boise Police earn more money than any other city employee. These people are the ones who are supposed to be upholding the law and yet they have resorted to intimidating the populous instead of doing what they’re supposed to be doing. I might add again, paid handsomely to do, which is to uphold the law. Because they carry guns, they feel like they have the power to put fear in the hearts of Boise citizens. Something must be done to put a stop to their aggression. What is this anyhow, a third world city? Thank you.
M/CC BPD

6/25/07
Marita Drucker
Ellens Ferry 83703
ACHD: I’m concerned that I cannot turn left onto State St. from Ellens Ferry on my bike. I carry my two four-year olds behind me on a bike tandem burley setup. I have my 7 year old beside me on her bike. We have to use the regular left-hand turn lane to get across because there’s no sidewalk; it’s a gravelly, rocky, broken glass, goat head infested slope; it’s not even appropriate for pedestrians. If there’s no traffic turning onto State St. from Ellens Ferry, I have to leave my kids in the left-hand turn lane, go across and punch the cross-walk signal to get across, because the light will only turn for one or two seconds. I know the Mayor is a very busy person, and I’m sure he gets an endless stream of complaints all the time, and I have called several other people about this, including ACHD light timing coordinator; Christian Lingstrom, the bike road coordinator for ACHD; and I’m going to continue calling a couple more people, so this isn’t just a single call. I do want to call anyone I can because this is a situation that is inappropriate. The light needs to stay long enough before it turns to allow bicycles to get across by 5 or 6 seconds; we’re a very slow moving setup, so we need 5 or 6 seconds to get across; the light will only turn for 1 or 2 seconds. This might be a simple issue; it might be a big issue, I don’t know. This is another thing, since I’m on the phone with you. My husband travels from 4th and Bannock to Ellens Ferry every single day because he works down there. The bike lane on State St. we all know is atrocious to begin with; it’s inadequately large, it’s so small and it’s terrible. I would never take my children on it even though it’s a bike lane. There’s debris, debris, debris; dead cats, boards, hub caps, all the debris from the road. It seems like it’s getting swept into the bike lane, but I think it’s just happening haphazardly and no one is paying attention. My husband traverses this six nights a week and here we wanted to have Boise as a bike friendly community; we’re not. We are native Boiseans who have ridden our bikes here our whole life and we laugh at that. The only bike friendly part of this city is down here in the main part of the city, and this part of the city is not even that bike friendly. I want to travel with my children; I want to be an example for my neighbors and the community that you can get around; get to the library, the post office, the grocery store, all off of the Greenbelt with our bikes. But here, to get onto the Greenbelt, we have to go through this intersection. I shouldn’t have to leave my young children in the left-hand turn lane to walk across and punch the button for the light to change. There should be a sidewalk there, that’s what it needs. But to cure the problem for now would be if the signal turned long enough to let my children and I on our bikes get across to the sidewalk. Then of course, the sidewalk is littered with goat heads on both sides for the first stretch of the way. I’m just thankful that I live in an area where we have a little chunk of sidewalk to get to the Greenbelt and we don’t have to go all the way around through the communities and up 36th and across the 36th section to get to the Greenbelt. I know that in other countries it is not like this; even in other cities in America they have very appropriate, safe setups for bikes. They’re very thoughtful of their cyclists. I know Mr. Bieter is a wonderful, wonderful Mayor who I adore and everyone I know adores him. I just wanted to let you guys know that as a person who uses bikes a lot in this community, these are the issues that my husband and I are facing. Thank you for your time.
M/CC ACHD

6/25/07
Barbara Martin-Sparrow
Budget: Thank you for this service. Because I’m taking care of my mother in a hospice situation, my mailing address is 6945 Holiday Dr., Boise, ID 83709. It’s best to call me in the p.m. This message is about the budget meetings this week, and today is Monday. I want to encourage the Council to budget for a Senior Citizen Center West. The present center serves the north and east; the graying population is now in the west and southwest, many of whom are long-times residents and taxpayers. The Boise School District is presently closing or changing 16 schools because of the graying of our population in the west, yet no west center is available despite needs for a respite daycare and senior program such as arts therapy. My suggestion is to examine trading land with the School District for one of those schools. I will try to email a letter today with the solutions and possible ideas for this need. Thank you very much for your consideration.
M/CC
Action Taken: contacted her w/ public hearing date

6/25/07
Marita Drucker
ACHD: I called this hotline earlier and voiced my concern about bicycles and some issues with the roads. I wanted to give you a follow-up call because I did call and leave a long message that I have spoken with a woman called Christian Lungstrom, the ACHD Pedestrian Bicycle Coordinator. She has informed me about the bicycle group meetings that they have the first Monday of every month and that there’s a big project underway with a group from Portland to redo the bike systems down here in the city. We spoke for a long time and got a work order put in with ACHD that we had verified by Christian Lungstrom, to sweep the bike lanes from downtown to out here in this area. Evidently the chip seal sweepers haven’t been available to do this. As far as the light is concerned, I also complained that I can’t turn left onto State St. with my children when there’s no car in the lane to trigger the light, and there’s no sidewalk. As far as that issue, I spoke with the light coordinator, Mike. Hopefully we can get that taken care of too. I should have probably waited until I had spoken with all these people, but I was just trying to touch base with anybody who might have cared. Thank you for your time.
M/CC

6/25/07
Anonymous
Depot Flag: I’m at the Platt Gardens at the Depot and I’m noticing that the flag is tattered in a manner that would offend many right-thinking Americans, and I suggest that you get it replaced, certainly before the Mayor faces re-election. You do not need to know my name to contact me, I WILL BE WATCHING. Thank you.
M/CC BPR

6/26/07
Glenn Miles
1306 N. 26th
Boise, ID 83702
BPD: This item should be put under the subject of drugs. We live in a triangle affect of Heron, 26th St., Ellis. That little triangle at times is a source of drugs. The record will show that there is an apartment house building that oft times has been selling drugs. We’ve observed in the recent last three days, a van, Econoline Ford, with a computer running in the back of the van. There is nobody in the van; it has an expired license plate of January 07. I don’t know whether it’s a stolen plate or what have you, but when I was riding around the North End with my lawyer, I discovered that there was another white van with an expired license plate, and in the course of neighborhood watching in my area, when someone was putting up shingles on a house, and the workers had a break, somebody asked me if I wanted to buy drugs in the same area I’m talking about. So I think the drug questions is real; it’s in the neighborhood of Lowell and St. Mary’s schools, and I think when it gets down to the grade school level, it’s pretty bad. I think this is a potential election issue, and I wish that the police force would stop looking the other way because it sure looks as if that’s exactly what they’re doing, and it’s really sad. Thank you so much.
M/CC BPD

6/27/07
Addie Haus
1285 N. Astor Pl.
Half-Way House: Good morning Jerry. Thanks for coming to the meeting. I am still concerned that a certain amount of the population has more rights than taxpayers and law abiding citizens. Moving into our neighborhood has been very upsetting and disturbing. I’m not stopping, I’ve got a list of phone numbers to start in, so I’ll let you go for now, but I’ll call you tomorrow.
M/CC PDS

6/27/07
Ann Giles
1351 N. Astor Pl.
Half-Way House: I’m calling regarding the halfway house that was just opened in my neighborhood. I just wanted to lend my voice to say that we are not in support of these homes being opened around Boise, and would appreciate any kind of follow-up that the Mayor’s office could give. Thank you.
M/CC PDS

6/27/07
Monte Gamble
1274 N. Astor Pl.
Boise, ID 83704
Half Way House: I’m calling in response to these group homes that are popping up now in Boise. It’s a concern; I have one in my neighborhood. It’s unfair to have neighbors subjected to that without any knowledge or understanding with no way to protect themselves.
M/CC

6/27/07
Floyd Loomis
5203 W. Silver Lake Ln.
Boise, ID
Lake Harbor Noise: My call is regarding Lake Harbor, otherwise known as Silver Lake. There is a Lake Harbor retail operation on the north end of Lake Harbor. A number of homeowners here have been discussing in recent weeks the increase of noise coming from the retail center in the form of concert activity on weekends, particularly on Friday nights. We would like to know whether or not the city has authorized some sort of permit to allow concerts at this retail center. The concerts have actually been taking place within a few of at least one of our homeowners here in this area. He can’t even go out on his back porch on Friday nights because there’s a music concert going on just across the grass from him. I represent the East Lake Homeowners Association and I have been in discussions with some other homeowners associations on the lake who are concerned about this recent development. Most of us are working families and we don’t have a lot of time during the day to investigate these things, so I thought I would inquire directly to the Mayor’s office to see if there has been a permit issued to the owners of the Lake Harbor waterfront retail operation to permit this kind of thing. If so, it appears that the city has agreed with a private business operation to circumvent certain noise ordinances which are on the books in Boise. Our primary concern is that the noise ordinances be enforced and that primarily involves public address systems in areas where people live. If somebody could get back to me, I would certainly appreciate it. Thank you.
M/CC BPD
Action Taken: contacted

6/27/07
Jennifer Grimes
1321 N. Gawaine Pl.
Boise, ID
North Hampton Subdivision
Half-Way House: I called last week to express my concern regarding the Dennis Mansfield home that’s been placed in our little subdivision. I just wanted to call to follow up to see what plans there were internally to review this. We are very concerned; we had another neighborhood meeting last night and we’re looking at all of our options. It is my understanding that at the city and state’s hands are somewhat tied, however I do know that if you’re going to address a federal situation, it’s always better to have your city and state representatives behind you. We are looking for your support, understanding, and compassion in this issue and ask that you please review it. Dennis Mansfield has moved into a facility in our neighborhood, with eight adult men who are convicted felons. I’m not sure of the specifics, which is one of the issues we have in the neighborhood. This has all been so secretive. We all know each other pretty well, we know what to expect, we would like to know what to expect specifically in regards to this. We don’t know what the rules and regulations are with the home; we don’t know what type of individuals are being placed in the home; it was very secretively done, they kind of snuck them in there and asked us to just live with it. This is a man who is running a business making good money off of it. I hate to believe that a for-profit company is impeding the lives of 47 homes in this little area. It’s frustrating and we’re all very concerned. This is affecting all of us; it’s a nuisance; it’s causing a burden on every single person in the neighborhood and we would love and appreciate your help in addressing this matter.
M/CC PDS

6/28/07
Larry Kelly
Caldwell
Budget: I’m not going to give my address or anything like that; if you want to get hold of me, look it up in the phone book. I want to find out what the Mayor is thinking wasting all that money on the whitewater thing, then moving the police way out where they can’t get out during the heavy times and everything else like that. Why is he wasting all the taxpayer’s money? I haven’t seen him do anything right yet; when is he going to straighten up and do something right in this city?
M/CC

6/28/07
Julie Houk
3167 E. Bonview Dr.
Boise, ID 83712
Ada County Parks Greenbelt: I am calling regarding one of Boise’s greatest amenities and that is the Greenbelt. I would like to voice my concerns and complaints regarding the Greenbelt. It is a great attraction and helps draw people here. It is very well used and unfortunately it is not maintained in accordance with its use. Specifically, I would like to let you know that my husband crashed on his bike two weeks ago, on the 13th of June, on the bridge going over the Boise River at Barber Park. He hit a concrete post that is not so conveniently placed in the middle of the path, with a sign saying “No Motorized Vehicles”. I’m wondering if that’s really necessary; I’m not quite sure how motorized vehicles, except dirt bikes, or small motorcycles, but it seems more of a hazard than an aid. Also the condition of the path in general is deplorable. There are bumps, holes, ruts, there are sections where the path is just caving in and is falling away. There are sections that are incredibly hazardous to young riders, there are tremendous drop-offs and there are other areas where these posts are placed in the middle of the path. My family uses the path a lot, so we’re pretty familiar with the path from Warm Springs Golf Course to Lucky Peak Dam. The other really treacherous part is as you enter Discovery Park. There’s a huge railroad tie that is vertical in the middle of the path. One-half of the path is a big hump where I suppose maybe tree roots are growing or something. It is a very dangerous area, particularly if there are people going both directions at the same time. At Diversion Dam, right where there is an information sign, there is what is left of a big huge metal link of a chain and I just want to let you know that we are very unhappy with the condition of the path and my husband broke his collar bone, had multiple contusions and abrasions, and he’s a very experienced rider, a very experienced endurance athlete, and the position and placement of that post that he clipped with his handle bars is ridiculous. Fortunately he is healing, but it’s not how he wanted to start his summer off. I just wanted to let you know if the path is not maintained and hazards removed, the city will probably be looking at some law suits. If you would like to call us, that’s fine. Hopefully we will see some action on the path. Maybe Boise should look to the Sun Valley / Ketchum area for some advice because their path is completely smooth and free of obstacles and hazards. On your website, you list safety and hazards, and you warn people about personal safety on the path, but what you should be warning people of is the holes, the ruts, the bumps, and the obstacles in the middle of the path. We look forward to action on this. Thank you.
Ada County Parks & Waterway
Action Taken: contacted

6/29/07
Melissa Goff
1254 N. Astor Pl.
Boise, ID 83704
Half-Way House: I’m calling as a concerned neighbor of the new half-way house, or whatever you want to call it, of Dennis Mansfield. I live two houses down from it and I believe in a system for these guys, but not at our expense. Being put into our neighborhood without our knowledge is deceitful and disregards our rights as citizens of Boise. There’s a huge question of why they have more rights than the rest of us. Why can’t we know their names and what crimes they have committed; it’s a huge secret and I believe that’s putting more fear into us in the neighborhood and the community. Please note that I am not against helping these guys; I’m just against the way and the location it was done. My husband and I not longer want to raise a family here because of the situation, yet we are stuck here. Our property value has decreased immensely. We want to be able to get out of the house without loosing money because we are two houses down from eight grown men and one has a felony. I believe that this definitely needs to be a huge concern to our city since at least 30 houses like this will be going up like this soon. I ask you to please listen to the people who helped put you into office. You need to stop this and change it before it gets too big. I believe this is a huge responsibility of the people in power of this city and I think they need to step up. Thank you for your time and feel free to contact me. Thank you.
M/CC PDS

6/29/07
Jill
6/29/07
Toni Breese
8050 Crestwood Dr.
Boise, ID 83704
Fireworks: My comment is that I continue to be outraged that fireworks are sold to the public in Idaho. With temperatures soaring to 100 degrees, I believe that we are endangering our fire fighters’ lives and potentially overwhelming their capabilities. Anybody who thinks that the 4th of July is fun should visit the burn unit and take a look at those who have been burned or disfigured by fireworks. I believe the time has come for our firework policy to change and for the citizens of Idaho to have the potential to vote on this. Thank you very much.
M/CC BFD

Comments & Discussion

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  1. I would like to see the data for the Police wages. I highly doubt they are below the poverty line, and in speaking with other law enforcement professionals from other jurisdictions, many come to Boise for the higher wages at BPD. While you couldn’t pay me enough to be a police officer, it is a tough and under appreciatted job, but it is time people stop lamenting the low wages and back it up with factual data and relevant comparisions. This info may exist, but it seems to be elusive in the emotional pleas of the employees and union reps. It is time that real data and common sense overcomes our emotions and turf battles.

    EDITOR NOTE–Well said! They start at near $40,000 and with overtime there a bunch who exceed $70,000. Sgts. do better of course.

  2. The only way that police officer’s family was under the poverty limit was if they had 27 children, which I sincerely doubt.

    This whole police/union/bargaining/city won’t listen /yadda yadda has been played out many many times before. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the police union. Their job is to try and extract as much money from the taxpayers as they can. To me public service unions are a total oxymoron.

    Dick Eardley’s biggest mistake of his mayoralty was to recognize the union. It’s been one big hassle after another ever since.

  3. Guardian, I doubt there is a “bunch” making that kind of money as patrol officers. Besides, if you can get the occasional bit of overtime, that is how you pay for the little “extras” for you and your family. When you HAVE to have the overtime in order to make it, that’s not right. I have a real tough time justifying paying someone 40-50 grand to be a traffic controller, first responder, the person that deals with the part of our society that the rest of us don’t want to know exists, every day, almost all day.

    To expect them to be a social worker, sociologist, psychologist, psychiatrist, referee, drug councilor, judge, jury, and sometimes, even an executioner. No, I think there aren’t many of us who would be willing to do that job for twice the pay.

    And for the city to say “that’s all your worth” is an insult. One of the things anyone wants, and needs, is to know that their efforts are appreciated, that they are respected. So it doesn’t really matter what we pay them as long as Alan Shealy thinks they ” are on drugs and dog food”. No, I believe this has gone far beyond wages and benefits. It seems to me that it has entered the arena of respect and appreciation. It’s a good thing they can’t strike. Then we would really learn to appreciate what they do and who they are. And we would learn that very quickly!

  4. Cyclops–or should we call you “cycle cops,”

    Neither JJ nor the G man said anything bad about Boise’s finest. You ignore JJ’s plea for some LOGICAL thinking and less emotion. No one on this site is begrudging the cops their wages or benefits. It just seems LOGICAL that a good number on the force earn in excess of $70,000 annually for a 4 day work week, based on pay scales. The old union boss made over $60,000 nearly 10 years ago as a patrolman/specialist according to a release from the former mayor.

  5. I appreciate those of you who want hard facts, so here they are…The salary is broke down at 5 yr increments, previously the city compared us to Reno, Spokane, Eugene, Tacoma and SLC but since we earned 15 percent less than all those cities on average they change their tune to Idaho, so I will provide those numbers; at the entry level we are out earned by Nampa PD, at the 5 yr level we are out earned by Ada Sheriffs Office and Garden City; at the 10 yr level we are out earned by Meridian and ACSO, at the 15 yr level we are out earned by Meridian and ACSO, at the 20 yr level we are out earned by Meridian (by 800 dollars a month and ACSO and our Sergeants are out earned by Nampa, Meridian, Garden City and ACSO. ACSO is also going to receive a 3-4.5 percent raise in October depending where on the scale they are.

    I don’t begrudge any officer their salary, this can be a difficult profession for all. The above figures range from 25-800 dollars a month that we trail these agencies. When I came to work from another agency we made substantially more money than any other peers in the area, that is simply no longer the case.

    Are we destitute? No, but what we are asking is that are wages continue to put us in a position to draw the best applicants around, but since we are being surpassed by many local agencies that makes it difficult. If we have a “Good many” officers drawing over 70,000 a year they are working hours away from family and friends. I am not here to debate the merits of our pay but to simply provide facts for those of you asking for them and let you make your own decisions.

  6. Kip–
    You will never get a conviction (or win a negotiation) when you don’t tell us the price. “Gas is 8 cents cheaper than milk per gallon,” but how much doe it cost? Just tell us a sergeant makes $60,000 a year and some have cleared over $100 grand in the past by working overtime. LOGICALLY we want something with dollar signs–not just “out earned.”

  7. Fair enough, I guess I was to abbreviated, I will ist BPD salary at each of the above levels and then the comps…this is in monthly salary:
    entry: $3085….Nampa $3100
    5 yr: $4617….GC $4735/ACSO $4628
    10yr: $4802….MPD $4839/ACSO $4919
    15 yr: $4946…MPD $5340/ACSO $5231
    20 yr: $5057…MPD $5841/ACSO $5522
    Sgt.: $5061…MPD $6722/GC $5527/ACSO $5389

    I am definetely not trying to hide any figures here, like I said we are not destitute but whereas 8 yrs ago we out earned all other agencies near us we no longer do. Also, ACSO and Meridian are looking at decent raises again in October so will continue to gain. This is not all about just the wage either as the city is looking at saving 300-400 a month on each member by us accepting a reduced health package so we view it as taking money out of our left pocket and funding a large portion of our own raises and putting it back in our right pocket.

    I am not asking to be rich but just for the city to be upfront and staff and pay us adequately, I know some will support us and some will not and I am fine with that, but Dave will at least back me on this point and that is that I firmly believe the taxpayers need ALL the facts and then give their input no matter what the topic when it comes to government.

    That is a firm belief of mine even when it may not be easy to persuade folks why we need this raise or that benefit. Have a Happy 4th all.

  8. Just a couple quick comments. I hear people complaining about the money policemen already make and others saying that if they don’t make enough go get another job. Those same people complain about the quality of those being hired by the department and a multitude of complaints about rudeness, intelligence and social skills possessed by police officers.

    For the guy who said “screw ’em”: is that really how you want to treat your police department? Do you really want your police department to be paid less than every other department in the valley? Do you really want all the best officers to go to other agencies and have Boise pick up all the ones that couldn’t get hired someplace else? And for your information, when you pay better than everyone else you’re not getting people without college degrees. I would bet a paycheck that most cops in Boise have a better education than you.

    But keep that fine “screw ’em” attitude and maybe you’ll end up with a police force full of those who didn’t or couldn’t go to college while all of the smart, educated ones are working for Meridian, Ada County, Nampa or Garden City. You get what you pay for. Would you go to a hospital where they could only afford to hire doctors that didn’t make it through med school? Maybe you did. That would explain your impaired thought process.

    As for Mr. Logic, no cop is out there making 70,000 a year by working a 40 hour, 4 day work week. If they’re making that kind of money it’s by working overtime to get it. Why don’t you try putting in a few 60 hour weeks, month after month, missing all your kid’s ball games, missing the parent teacher conferences, missing your kid’s birthday parties, working a 16 hour shift and getting home at 7 am so you can catch 2 hours sleep before you go to court for 4 hours and then catch another 2 hours sleep before you go back to work.

    Have someone file a complaint against you because they didn’t like your attitude fresh off your 4 hours of sleep in two hour blocks. Arrest a drunk transient who vomits on your leg and has head lice, or the IV drug user who spits blood in your face and then tells you he has AIDS so you get to be tested for HIV for the next ten years and have to wonder if you’re transmitting anything to your wife.

    Go to a domestic violence without backup because the city doesn’t want to pay overtime for guys to fill in for those who are off sick or on vacation. Try to handle every call for service in the largest city in the state with only 6 cops on duty because your bosses don’t want to call guys in on overtime. Then deal with the citizens when they’re pissed off because you didn’t get to their call in 30 seconds. Or better yet, have a citizen complain on you for driving too fast as you try to hurry and get to that next call.

    The bottom line is: the job sucks, the hours suck, court sucks, the family life sucks, the way you people talk about cops sucks. Who the hell in their right mind would want to be a cop? You can’t win and you will never understand until you spend a week in a cops shoes.

  9. Kip, I appreciate your taking the time to inform us with the hard and factual numbers. Isn’t healthcare one of the main sticking points? How does the current plan and the proposed plan compare to the rest of the valley?

  10. Clancy; I am not sure what everyone has for health benefits, I know what I had as a state trooper 8 years ago and what my wifes private employer provides and what the city is offering is pretty comparable to those plans. We are aware we have a good medical plan right now and also realize the potential cost savings to the city which is why we are willing to negotiate it for a reduced benefit.

    We are just asking to be fairly compensated for bargaining away the so called “gold standard” medical insurance that we currently have. The city stands to benefit from this with not only actual savings right now but also future savings as health care costs grow 10-15 percent annually. I would suspect based on what I have seen and heard around the valley the last few years that our current plan is probably better than most plans and the proposed plans would put us in line with most public and many private employers…

  11. The moniker was cute Logic. Not too intelligent, but cute. I would have expected more than a juvenile play on words from you. You are much more creative than that. If you want a good representation of what these folks go through just re-read Jeff’s post. It is most enlightening.
    And Logic, you may want to explore a “ride-a-long” in the near future. You may just have your eyes opened a “titch”. And, by the way, I didn’t say either one said anything bad about the police. What I was saying was they were wrong in their salary projections for the police department. I believe one of the previous posts bears that out.

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