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		By: Clippityclop		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/19/ada-county-courthouse-too-small/#comment-5974</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Blazing,
I could not agree with you more about special interest group teet weaning, and it needs to happen pronto, no matter how much Ada County Development Services bawls for the good ol&#039; days of developer grease.  As a taxpayer, I would rather pay for ACDS to do their job and evaluate applications objectively and legally than have them be funded by developers and behave as the developers&#039; advocate and cheerleader, no matter how incomplete a development application is.  At least some members of P&amp;Z are fed up with this as well...  though some have already been castrated, vaccinated and ear-tagged.  Time to cull the herd, yes?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blazing,<br />
I could not agree with you more about special interest group teet weaning, and it needs to happen pronto, no matter how much Ada County Development Services bawls for the good ol&#8217; days of developer grease.  As a taxpayer, I would rather pay for ACDS to do their job and evaluate applications objectively and legally than have them be funded by developers and behave as the developers&#8217; advocate and cheerleader, no matter how incomplete a development application is.  At least some members of P&#038;Z are fed up with this as well&#8230;  though some have already been castrated, vaccinated and ear-tagged.  Time to cull the herd, yes?</p>
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		By: Blazing Saddle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Curious,

You got the bull by the horns.  Yes sir!  But, I think you are being a little coy with your question about taking care of business.

Tex, that rascal of an insider, tells us that the county planners, are funded by the developers, &quot;not by taxpayers&quot;, and that they do all sorts of things, tinker with ordinances, revise the comp plan, and lord knows what all.  That falls a little short of being news, but, like a trail of feathers leading from the chicken coop to the fox den, finding the culprits in this mess is as easy as following the money trail.

In this hand&#039;s estmation, before we can expect anything better out of the county, DS and a few other calves need to be weined from special interest group teets.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious,</p>
<p>You got the bull by the horns.  Yes sir!  But, I think you are being a little coy with your question about taking care of business.</p>
<p>Tex, that rascal of an insider, tells us that the county planners, are funded by the developers, &#8220;not by taxpayers&#8221;, and that they do all sorts of things, tinker with ordinances, revise the comp plan, and lord knows what all.  That falls a little short of being news, but, like a trail of feathers leading from the chicken coop to the fox den, finding the culprits in this mess is as easy as following the money trail.</p>
<p>In this hand&#8217;s estmation, before we can expect anything better out of the county, DS and a few other calves need to be weined from special interest group teets.</p>
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		By: Sharon Ullman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Ullman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tex wrote: &quot;In the building quite frequently. And the old courthouse didn&#039;t house all the departments, did it? The County has grown a bit more and has to serve more people.&quot;

Correct.  However, NOT including the Meridian campus or the retail space being taken through the use of eminent domain, the County has ALREADY ADDED about 200 thousand square feet of space.  Enough is enough!

Tex wrote: &quot;I don&#039;t disagree that space could be used more efficiently, but the Building Dept. and Boise City lawyers shouldn&#039;t have to share office space either.&quot;

I didn&#039;t know that they were sharing office space.  Perhaps you will be kind enough to clarify your comment?  When the new courthouse opened, Boise City approached Ada County, seeking a small amount of space in the courthouse in which to house their legal folks when they were working there.  The two entities signed a lease agreement, the City paid to finish the then-unfinished space, and I haven&#039;t heard that the agreement has been altered since that time.

Murphy wrote, &quot;If there was any long range planning, DS wouldn&#039;t have been allowed to spend, what $1.4 million within the past 1+/- years, then move to a new location.&quot;

The cost of remodelling Development Services was a minimum of half a million dollars, although that might have gone up by the time the project was complete.  I couldn&#039;t agree with you more about the need for better long-range planning.

Curious George wrote, &quot;As an Ada County resident, I would like to call for an audit of how existing space is utilized.&quot;

I believe there were claims that an audit was done.  If it did not report that the commissioners&#039; individual offices (which grew by a factor of perhaps four times when the County moved to the new digs) are significantly larger than necessary, figure the rest of it is questionable, at best, as well.  It seems to me that oftentimes paid consultants find what they are &quot;expected&quot; to find, rather than what they ought to find.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tex wrote: &#8220;In the building quite frequently. And the old courthouse didn&#8217;t house all the departments, did it? The County has grown a bit more and has to serve more people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correct.  However, NOT including the Meridian campus or the retail space being taken through the use of eminent domain, the County has ALREADY ADDED about 200 thousand square feet of space.  Enough is enough!</p>
<p>Tex wrote: &#8220;I don&#8217;t disagree that space could be used more efficiently, but the Building Dept. and Boise City lawyers shouldn&#8217;t have to share office space either.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that they were sharing office space.  Perhaps you will be kind enough to clarify your comment?  When the new courthouse opened, Boise City approached Ada County, seeking a small amount of space in the courthouse in which to house their legal folks when they were working there.  The two entities signed a lease agreement, the City paid to finish the then-unfinished space, and I haven&#8217;t heard that the agreement has been altered since that time.</p>
<p>Murphy wrote, &#8220;If there was any long range planning, DS wouldn&#8217;t have been allowed to spend, what $1.4 million within the past 1+/- years, then move to a new location.&#8221;</p>
<p>The cost of remodelling Development Services was a minimum of half a million dollars, although that might have gone up by the time the project was complete.  I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more about the need for better long-range planning.</p>
<p>Curious George wrote, &#8220;As an Ada County resident, I would like to call for an audit of how existing space is utilized.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe there were claims that an audit was done.  If it did not report that the commissioners&#8217; individual offices (which grew by a factor of perhaps four times when the County moved to the new digs) are significantly larger than necessary, figure the rest of it is questionable, at best, as well.  It seems to me that oftentimes paid consultants find what they are &#8220;expected&#8221; to find, rather than what they ought to find.</p>
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		By: curious george		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It appears that Development Services&#039; fate is just a minor wart on the larger butt of County Administration.

Just because the department employs planners doesn&#039;t mean that anyone in the department was consulted by County Administration before concocting this farce.

And why would they?

Why rely on staff with advanced degrees and professional experience in forecasting &amp; planning - when (obviously) real expertise comes from selling Melalueca, running a five &#039;n dime, and working for a city parks department.

As an Ada County resident, I would like to call for an audit of how existing space is utilized. Along with a solid comparison analysis of similar county facilities in the US. Without either of these it is near impossible to assess how efficiently the county is using its existing resources.

How much do you want to bet that neither effort has been done by County Administration?

How many of you would like to have seen this done before the county opted to exercise Eminent Domain?

What was the tune the Commissioners used at their State of the County Address, &quot;Takin&#039; Care of Business&quot;?

How about taking care of county business for a change?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that Development Services&#8217; fate is just a minor wart on the larger butt of County Administration.</p>
<p>Just because the department employs planners doesn&#8217;t mean that anyone in the department was consulted by County Administration before concocting this farce.</p>
<p>And why would they?</p>
<p>Why rely on staff with advanced degrees and professional experience in forecasting &#038; planning &#8211; when (obviously) real expertise comes from selling Melalueca, running a five &#8216;n dime, and working for a city parks department.</p>
<p>As an Ada County resident, I would like to call for an audit of how existing space is utilized. Along with a solid comparison analysis of similar county facilities in the US. Without either of these it is near impossible to assess how efficiently the county is using its existing resources.</p>
<p>How much do you want to bet that neither effort has been done by County Administration?</p>
<p>How many of you would like to have seen this done before the county opted to exercise Eminent Domain?</p>
<p>What was the tune the Commissioners used at their State of the County Address, &#8220;Takin&#8217; Care of Business&#8221;?</p>
<p>How about taking care of county business for a change?</p>
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		By: Murphy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tex, you seem to be in the know.  Does Boise City lawyers pay Ada County rent for their courthouse space?  If there was any long range planning, DS wouldn&#039;t have been allowed to spend, what $1.4 million within the past 1+/- years, then move to a new location.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tex, you seem to be in the know.  Does Boise City lawyers pay Ada County rent for their courthouse space?  If there was any long range planning, DS wouldn&#8217;t have been allowed to spend, what $1.4 million within the past 1+/- years, then move to a new location.</p>
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		By: TEX		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the building quite frequently. And the old courthouse didn&#039;t house all the departments, did it? The County has grown a bit more and has to serve more people.

I don&#039;t disagree that space could be used more efficiently, but the Building Dept. and Boise City lawyers shouldn&#039;t have to share office space either.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the building quite frequently. And the old courthouse didn&#8217;t house all the departments, did it? The County has grown a bit more and has to serve more people.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree that space could be used more efficiently, but the Building Dept. and Boise City lawyers shouldn&#8217;t have to share office space either.</p>
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		By: Sharon Ullman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Ullman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Remember the old courthouse?  The courts weren&#039;t expanding every couple of months when they were in there!

Have you been in the new courthouse and looked in the courtrooms?  Much of the time, they are empty.  It is time to better utilize the space that is already there and stop the costly expansion.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the old courthouse?  The courts weren&#8217;t expanding every couple of months when they were in there!</p>
<p>Have you been in the new courthouse and looked in the courtrooms?  Much of the time, they are empty.  It is time to better utilize the space that is already there and stop the costly expansion.</p>
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		By: TEX		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Development Services is committed to the move, they don&#039;t get much of a choice on the matter. It is the courts that need the room, not DS needing new office space. You have to pay to secure contracts; you part up front and the rest later. However, with any major project, you have to have the funding secured to pay the entire bill.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Development Services is committed to the move, they don&#8217;t get much of a choice on the matter. It is the courts that need the room, not DS needing new office space. You have to pay to secure contracts; you part up front and the rest later. However, with any major project, you have to have the funding secured to pay the entire bill.</p>
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		By: sara		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Development Services may be funding its enlarged office space but since they&#039;re in the hole and borrowing from the County&#039;s general fund, guess what?  Taxpayers are funding this move.

A move that doesn&#039;t seem necessary now that 10 people will not be hired.  If the money has just been budgeted, then unbudget it.  If it&#039;s been paid for, then an investigation needs to happen regarding why it was paid for in advance.

I despair of ever seeing a government official care about the bottom line and maybe saving taxpayers some money.

EDITOR NOTE--The Daily Paper also claims some of the planned community boys are behind in their payments...what does that tell us?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Development Services may be funding its enlarged office space but since they&#8217;re in the hole and borrowing from the County&#8217;s general fund, guess what?  Taxpayers are funding this move.</p>
<p>A move that doesn&#8217;t seem necessary now that 10 people will not be hired.  If the money has just been budgeted, then unbudget it.  If it&#8217;s been paid for, then an investigation needs to happen regarding why it was paid for in advance.</p>
<p>I despair of ever seeing a government official care about the bottom line and maybe saving taxpayers some money.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;The Daily Paper also claims some of the planned community boys are behind in their payments&#8230;what does that tell us?</p>
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		By: TEX		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I should also add that the new office for Development Services, where ever it may be, has already been paid or budgeted for. The Director tried to see if that could have been put on hold, but it cannot.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add that the new office for Development Services, where ever it may be, has already been paid or budgeted for. The Director tried to see if that could have been put on hold, but it cannot.</p>
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