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		By: Lester_Atlas		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/25/raping-the-land-for-profit/#comment-6047</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[This is a high mountain desert!  What harm comes from moving some dirt around to create an actually useful oasis.  Your words are telling though.  You rant about the &quot;wealthy&quot; so much that I wonder if you are more concerned about more successful people moving in on you, than you are about the sagebrush.  While Boise has changed over the years, you can still drive 5 minutes and be in the middle of no where.  Stop whining, and start living.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a high mountain desert!  What harm comes from moving some dirt around to create an actually useful oasis.  Your words are telling though.  You rant about the &#8220;wealthy&#8221; so much that I wonder if you are more concerned about more successful people moving in on you, than you are about the sagebrush.  While Boise has changed over the years, you can still drive 5 minutes and be in the middle of no where.  Stop whining, and start living.</p>
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		By: Dale		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/25/raping-the-land-for-profit/#comment-6046</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comment about the foothills of Boise and the Hidden Springs development.  The foothills of Boise are nothing like they were over 100 years ago, when most of the land was devastated by extreme overgrazing, logging, mining, burning, etc., until there was almost nothing left.  Check photos out in the Historical Society of this time period.  Every alien species of plants were brought in to grace yards and planted for firewood, etc.  There is nothing pristine about the foothills, although I wish would have been alive to see what the area looked like prior to the goldrush and assuing migration and population of the area.

Hidden Springs is just another development with very little thought for the climate, plants, animals or anything else that this area has to offer.  You could find it and similar homes in Boston, Seattle or Dallas.  And this is a desert?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment about the foothills of Boise and the Hidden Springs development.  The foothills of Boise are nothing like they were over 100 years ago, when most of the land was devastated by extreme overgrazing, logging, mining, burning, etc., until there was almost nothing left.  Check photos out in the Historical Society of this time period.  Every alien species of plants were brought in to grace yards and planted for firewood, etc.  There is nothing pristine about the foothills, although I wish would have been alive to see what the area looked like prior to the goldrush and assuing migration and population of the area.</p>
<p>Hidden Springs is just another development with very little thought for the climate, plants, animals or anything else that this area has to offer.  You could find it and similar homes in Boston, Seattle or Dallas.  And this is a desert?</p>
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		By: John Mitchell		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/25/raping-the-land-for-profit/#comment-6045</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comp plans are a joke---Eagle is a prime example of how annual modification of it&#039;s comp plan can adapt to developer&#039;s &quot;wants&quot;.  I think the real cancer is the unending thirst for more tax revenues. eg. &quot;let&#039;s see, if we leave this as ag land we get $150/year for 1000 acres---BUT if we put houses on it we get $2000/yr per house&quot;.......hmmmm.  Government isn&#039;t part of the problem; it IS the problem.  Bureaucrats come in a VERY close second. I think they call this a  Monopoly Mentality.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comp plans are a joke&#8212;Eagle is a prime example of how annual modification of it&#8217;s comp plan can adapt to developer&#8217;s &#8220;wants&#8221;.  I think the real cancer is the unending thirst for more tax revenues. eg. &#8220;let&#8217;s see, if we leave this as ag land we get $150/year for 1000 acres&#8212;BUT if we put houses on it we get $2000/yr per house&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.hmmmm.  Government isn&#8217;t part of the problem; it IS the problem.  Bureaucrats come in a VERY close second. I think they call this a  Monopoly Mentality.</p>
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		By: Anne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What happened to comprehensive plans that did have sections devoted to hillside grading, restrictions on steep slopes, prohibitions against hilltopping and other hillside sections that led to at least some hillside ordinances.

I know that making this a so-called &quot;new town&quot; or some such sham released Hidden Springs from any of Boise&#039;s rules and regs for subdivisions. But at one time, the county had at least token hillside construction rules.

The last few years have seen a constant repudiation of what this development was supposed to have been. Housing has been put into designated open space (did anyone have to go back for permission to change that?); there are few design differences among new houses; there is no attempt to coordinate with previous designs; and they are building in gulches, which sounds just a might dangerous to me.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to comprehensive plans that did have sections devoted to hillside grading, restrictions on steep slopes, prohibitions against hilltopping and other hillside sections that led to at least some hillside ordinances.</p>
<p>I know that making this a so-called &#8220;new town&#8221; or some such sham released Hidden Springs from any of Boise&#8217;s rules and regs for subdivisions. But at one time, the county had at least token hillside construction rules.</p>
<p>The last few years have seen a constant repudiation of what this development was supposed to have been. Housing has been put into designated open space (did anyone have to go back for permission to change that?); there are few design differences among new houses; there is no attempt to coordinate with previous designs; and they are building in gulches, which sounds just a might dangerous to me.</p>
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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/25/raping-the-land-for-profit/#comment-6043</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CG, Now your making sense! I don&#039;t believe any one truly wants to live under such conditions. When the elite few start telling the masses what to do, and get away with it, it is usually followed by armed revolt. I am certainly not advocating such, although with much more lack of response and sensible performance by our city and county officials, you must admit the thought has a certain &quot;ring&quot; to it. What we really seem to have here in Boise, is a shortage of lions. CG, you and I will most certainly agree that we have at least one thing in common, (probably a lot more than you know) on the first Tuesday in November we will both punch those chads to hopefully bring about better leadership.

Oh, and Ray, those all are fine with me. There are only three that would cause me to move elsewhere. (maybe I could get a &quot;neighbor&quot; discount for the strip club)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CG, Now your making sense! I don&#8217;t believe any one truly wants to live under such conditions. When the elite few start telling the masses what to do, and get away with it, it is usually followed by armed revolt. I am certainly not advocating such, although with much more lack of response and sensible performance by our city and county officials, you must admit the thought has a certain &#8220;ring&#8221; to it. What we really seem to have here in Boise, is a shortage of lions. CG, you and I will most certainly agree that we have at least one thing in common, (probably a lot more than you know) on the first Tuesday in November we will both punch those chads to hopefully bring about better leadership.</p>
<p>Oh, and Ray, those all are fine with me. There are only three that would cause me to move elsewhere. (maybe I could get a &#8220;neighbor&#8221; discount for the strip club)</p>
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		By: curious george		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ah my cyloptic friend...&quot;

My Columbo cutie
Popeye punkin&#039;

Sammy Davis
Sandy Duncun

You&#039;re the One Eye
One I love...

I did not mean to offend your delicate sensibilities, sorry if I did. When I write the word &quot;government&quot;, in reference to American government, I mean a government &quot;of the people, by the people, and for the people.&quot; That is, it&#039;s you, me, and the farmer with the shotgun. This same farmer who would want to shoot us if we, as &quot;government&quot;, told him that he couldn&#039;t use his farm as a nuclear waste depository - or as a residential subdivision, if it wasn&#039;t permitted by land use law.

The farmer still &quot;owns&quot; his farm (or maybe the bank does if it&#039;s under a mortgage), but we (as &quot;government&quot;) are not only obligated to defend his title to his farm - we are also obligated to protect the rights of other property owners who might be harmed by the farmer&#039;s actions if he wants to do something with his property that isn&#039;t permitted.

And, who decides what&#039;s permitted? We do - acting as &quot;government&quot;.

None of this bothers me, nor should it you. But, if our elected (or appointed) representatives actually represent a too narrow constiuency, then we should all be concerned. I don&#039;t want to live in a community ruled by elite special interest groups (be they the Natural Law Party, Green Party, GOP, DNC, Realtors Association, or the North End Neighborhood Association) - even if I might agree with them on a few issues.

Personally, I think letting a relatively small group of appointed P&amp;Z Commissioners decide (or make a recommendation) on a development that might have a county-wide impact is ill advised - especially when Idaho law foresees such a circumstance in high-population centers and permits a larger commission. Idaho law even lets cities and counties join their P&amp;Z Commissions so that everyone&#039;s interests get represented in a &quot;fair and balanced&quot; (love that phrase) deliberation.

&quot;All I&#039;m asking for is man-eating sharks, with frikkin&#039; laser beams attached to their heads!&quot;
- Dr. Evil
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ah my cyloptic friend&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>My Columbo cutie<br />
Popeye punkin&#8217;</p>
<p>Sammy Davis<br />
Sandy Duncun</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the One Eye<br />
One I love&#8230;</p>
<p>I did not mean to offend your delicate sensibilities, sorry if I did. When I write the word &#8220;government&#8221;, in reference to American government, I mean a government &#8220;of the people, by the people, and for the people.&#8221; That is, it&#8217;s you, me, and the farmer with the shotgun. This same farmer who would want to shoot us if we, as &#8220;government&#8221;, told him that he couldn&#8217;t use his farm as a nuclear waste depository &#8211; or as a residential subdivision, if it wasn&#8217;t permitted by land use law.</p>
<p>The farmer still &#8220;owns&#8221; his farm (or maybe the bank does if it&#8217;s under a mortgage), but we (as &#8220;government&#8221;) are not only obligated to defend his title to his farm &#8211; we are also obligated to protect the rights of other property owners who might be harmed by the farmer&#8217;s actions if he wants to do something with his property that isn&#8217;t permitted.</p>
<p>And, who decides what&#8217;s permitted? We do &#8211; acting as &#8220;government&#8221;.</p>
<p>None of this bothers me, nor should it you. But, if our elected (or appointed) representatives actually represent a too narrow constiuency, then we should all be concerned. I don&#8217;t want to live in a community ruled by elite special interest groups (be they the Natural Law Party, Green Party, GOP, DNC, Realtors Association, or the North End Neighborhood Association) &#8211; even if I might agree with them on a few issues.</p>
<p>Personally, I think letting a relatively small group of appointed P&#038;Z Commissioners decide (or make a recommendation) on a development that might have a county-wide impact is ill advised &#8211; especially when Idaho law foresees such a circumstance in high-population centers and permits a larger commission. Idaho law even lets cities and counties join their P&#038;Z Commissions so that everyone&#8217;s interests get represented in a &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; (love that phrase) deliberation.</p>
<p>&#8220;All I&#8217;m asking for is man-eating sharks, with frikkin&#8217; laser beams attached to their heads!&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Dr. Evil</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[what if I wanted to do a few little projects with my property... and lets just say (for fun) that I live next door to you.  Humor me.  I want to turn my property into a:
strip club
half way house
drug rehab
homeless shelter
pig farm
bee farm
paper mill
opera house
teen hangout
skateboard park
dog park
cow field
a 7-11
a migrant worker trailer park
a walmart
a junk yard

You&#039;d be open minded then, huh?  Let the property owners do what they want huh?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what if I wanted to do a few little projects with my property&#8230; and lets just say (for fun) that I live next door to you.  Humor me.  I want to turn my property into a:<br />
strip club<br />
half way house<br />
drug rehab<br />
homeless shelter<br />
pig farm<br />
bee farm<br />
paper mill<br />
opera house<br />
teen hangout<br />
skateboard park<br />
dog park<br />
cow field<br />
a 7-11<br />
a migrant worker trailer park<br />
a walmart<br />
a junk yard</p>
<p>You&#8217;d be open minded then, huh?  Let the property owners do what they want huh?</p>
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		By: Old Blue		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ClippityClop-

Absolutely right and I stand behind you on this but that was not the authors tack.  If he had written an article complaining that there were public safety issues and there were violating promises made when they got they&#039;re original approval then I&#039;d be 100% in support of it.  Instead the author mentioned those type of concerns in passing and complained about losing his hiking trails and the loss of buried (fossils?) fresh water mollusks.  He also mentions  a couple of million cubic yards of excavation as no exaggeration.  That&#039;s enough to cover 1 square mile 2 feet deep!  There was a good article in there somewhere, unfortunately the author chose to  pen it as a wide eyed radical instead of a concerned citizen helping to bring something in need of attention to the masses.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ClippityClop-</p>
<p>Absolutely right and I stand behind you on this but that was not the authors tack.  If he had written an article complaining that there were public safety issues and there were violating promises made when they got they&#8217;re original approval then I&#8217;d be 100% in support of it.  Instead the author mentioned those type of concerns in passing and complained about losing his hiking trails and the loss of buried (fossils?) fresh water mollusks.  He also mentions  a couple of million cubic yards of excavation as no exaggeration.  That&#8217;s enough to cover 1 square mile 2 feet deep!  There was a good article in there somewhere, unfortunately the author chose to  pen it as a wide eyed radical instead of a concerned citizen helping to bring something in need of attention to the masses.</p>
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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CYCLOPS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Radek, the last line of your post is the single most enlightening comment in this entire series.
Thank you.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radek, the last line of your post is the single most enlightening comment in this entire series.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		By: Radek of Boktor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Radek of Boktor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ownership of property does NOT confer the rights to do whatever you please with it.  Nor should it.  For example, ask any current resident of Hidden Springs what would happen if they parked their collection of rusty 1973 El Caminos on blocks in their front lawn, then didnt mow their front lawn for two months.

The fact is, what we do with our land does have an impact on others in the community.  Those up in arms about private property rights are missing the point; this isnt about one homeowner applying for a permit to build a room over their garage or something.  This is one person&#039;s actions negatively affecting a whole community.  And most of these developers are corporations, NOT individuals, so in a sense, it is NOT about heavy-handed government restricting individual freedom, or taking property.  Its about a greedy individual and/or corporation overstepping their bounds, and violating a spoken promise to the community.

There is a saying:  Just because you have the &quot;right&quot; to do something, doesnt mean its the right thing to do.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ownership of property does NOT confer the rights to do whatever you please with it.  Nor should it.  For example, ask any current resident of Hidden Springs what would happen if they parked their collection of rusty 1973 El Caminos on blocks in their front lawn, then didnt mow their front lawn for two months.</p>
<p>The fact is, what we do with our land does have an impact on others in the community.  Those up in arms about private property rights are missing the point; this isnt about one homeowner applying for a permit to build a room over their garage or something.  This is one person&#8217;s actions negatively affecting a whole community.  And most of these developers are corporations, NOT individuals, so in a sense, it is NOT about heavy-handed government restricting individual freedom, or taking property.  Its about a greedy individual and/or corporation overstepping their bounds, and violating a spoken promise to the community.</p>
<p>There is a saying:  Just because you have the &#8220;right&#8221; to do something, doesnt mean its the right thing to do.</p>
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