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		By: Steve Ackerman		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/30/kudos-to-statesman-craig-should-go/#comment-6147</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sara is right if Senator Craig handed the police officer his Senate card, trying to use his power to influence the police officer.  That&#039;s abuse of power, not respect for the voters that gave him that power -- temporarily.

I&#039;m not going to go down the road of trying to say Senator Craig didn&#039;t have his faults.  Given his desire to pursue private behavior that would embarass his wife and family, maybe he should have left before.

But let&#039;s not forget that voting to send people into conflict, voting to confirm judges to lifetime appointments, etc. is not easy business.  I&#039;m glad they have staffs to help them understand the full range of decisions like that.  How much time does the average voter spend researching issues?  30% and 40% voter turnouts tell me it&#039;s not much.

When it comes to elections, let&#039;s remember something: In business, you can miss your quarterly or annual goal by a couple of percentage points, and still &quot;win&quot; by showing profit.  In politics, if you lose 49.9% to 50.1%, you get nothing -- your a loser.

As for special interests, everybody is a special interest.  If you own a house, you get to write off your mortgage interest thanks to special interests.  Is that fair to people that rent?  But it helps pursue the broad goal of home ownership and stake in the society.

We want cheaper gas or some other fuel, but don&#039;t want to pay for researching it.  We want more drilling, but want to protect the environment.  We want other fuels, but don&#039;t want it to be more expensive, poorer performing, or any inconvenience.  We want it all, which is why we send these politicians conflicting signals of what they want.  Then we complain when they compromise.

I&#039;m not saying elected politicians are saints, but we are part of this problem.  Craig didn&#039;t get there by magic.  And he didn&#039;t get there because of some manipulation.  The majority of people elected him there more than once.  If the majority didn&#039;t pay attention, or if they didn&#039;t care enough to check, then caveat emptor (&quot;let the buyer beware&quot;).  The media seemed to have news about previous allegations.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara is right if Senator Craig handed the police officer his Senate card, trying to use his power to influence the police officer.  That&#8217;s abuse of power, not respect for the voters that gave him that power &#8212; temporarily.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to go down the road of trying to say Senator Craig didn&#8217;t have his faults.  Given his desire to pursue private behavior that would embarass his wife and family, maybe he should have left before.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s not forget that voting to send people into conflict, voting to confirm judges to lifetime appointments, etc. is not easy business.  I&#8217;m glad they have staffs to help them understand the full range of decisions like that.  How much time does the average voter spend researching issues?  30% and 40% voter turnouts tell me it&#8217;s not much.</p>
<p>When it comes to elections, let&#8217;s remember something: In business, you can miss your quarterly or annual goal by a couple of percentage points, and still &#8220;win&#8221; by showing profit.  In politics, if you lose 49.9% to 50.1%, you get nothing &#8212; your a loser.</p>
<p>As for special interests, everybody is a special interest.  If you own a house, you get to write off your mortgage interest thanks to special interests.  Is that fair to people that rent?  But it helps pursue the broad goal of home ownership and stake in the society.</p>
<p>We want cheaper gas or some other fuel, but don&#8217;t want to pay for researching it.  We want more drilling, but want to protect the environment.  We want other fuels, but don&#8217;t want it to be more expensive, poorer performing, or any inconvenience.  We want it all, which is why we send these politicians conflicting signals of what they want.  Then we complain when they compromise.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying elected politicians are saints, but we are part of this problem.  Craig didn&#8217;t get there by magic.  And he didn&#8217;t get there because of some manipulation.  The majority of people elected him there more than once.  If the majority didn&#8217;t pay attention, or if they didn&#8217;t care enough to check, then caveat emptor (&#8220;let the buyer beware&#8221;).  The media seemed to have news about previous allegations.</p>
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		By: shealyisnottheantichrist		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/30/kudos-to-statesman-craig-should-go/#comment-6146</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Andy&quot; sounds an awful lot like Bryan Fischer.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Andy&#8221; sounds an awful lot like Bryan Fischer.</p>
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		By: sara		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/30/kudos-to-statesman-craig-should-go/#comment-6145</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve Ackerman has indicated here and on another posting that we need to be appreciative of Craig because he ran for office and that takes courage.

Yes it takes courage - the first time only,  particularly on a statewide level for national office like Representative or Senator.  After that, unless you are a complete dimwit or totally out of step with the voters, it is very hard to beat an incumbent.  They have the Pacs, they have the franking to mail propaganda, they have the infrastructure, they have the big contributors and the special interests and most importantly, they make the laws like McCain Feingold which are basically incumbent protection acts.

Maybe these pols have high pressure jobs.  However, they are catered to and I would bet a large sum that most of the pols in DC really don&#039;t read the legislation, that&#039;s what staffs are for.  And I might add that many times, most times actually, these pols pass laws that have so many unintended consequences that it would have been better had they done nothing.

These guys act like Brahmins.  Witness Craig handing the cop his Senate card and saying &quot;what do you think of that?&quot;  Obviously the cop said - &quot;not much&quot; which is about what the regular voter also says anymore.  Steve says these guys need to keep a disinterested electorate engaged and infers that this is a very hard job and adds such a burden.  I would submit that these pols would rather do everything behind closed doors, ie the immigration amnesty sham that Craig was so in favor of, in contradiction of the electorate.

Craig brought this all on himself.  Don&#039;t shed any tears for him, shed the tears for the taxpaying public that&#039;s going to pay him 100 grand a year for life.  The saddest part of this whole fiasco is, he shouldn&#039;t have been there for 27 years anyhow.  The Founding Fathers never anticipated that these guys would serve for life.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Ackerman has indicated here and on another posting that we need to be appreciative of Craig because he ran for office and that takes courage.</p>
<p>Yes it takes courage &#8211; the first time only,  particularly on a statewide level for national office like Representative or Senator.  After that, unless you are a complete dimwit or totally out of step with the voters, it is very hard to beat an incumbent.  They have the Pacs, they have the franking to mail propaganda, they have the infrastructure, they have the big contributors and the special interests and most importantly, they make the laws like McCain Feingold which are basically incumbent protection acts.</p>
<p>Maybe these pols have high pressure jobs.  However, they are catered to and I would bet a large sum that most of the pols in DC really don&#8217;t read the legislation, that&#8217;s what staffs are for.  And I might add that many times, most times actually, these pols pass laws that have so many unintended consequences that it would have been better had they done nothing.</p>
<p>These guys act like Brahmins.  Witness Craig handing the cop his Senate card and saying &#8220;what do you think of that?&#8221;  Obviously the cop said &#8211; &#8220;not much&#8221; which is about what the regular voter also says anymore.  Steve says these guys need to keep a disinterested electorate engaged and infers that this is a very hard job and adds such a burden.  I would submit that these pols would rather do everything behind closed doors, ie the immigration amnesty sham that Craig was so in favor of, in contradiction of the electorate.</p>
<p>Craig brought this all on himself.  Don&#8217;t shed any tears for him, shed the tears for the taxpaying public that&#8217;s going to pay him 100 grand a year for life.  The saddest part of this whole fiasco is, he shouldn&#8217;t have been there for 27 years anyhow.  The Founding Fathers never anticipated that these guys would serve for life.</p>
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		By: Steve Ackerman		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/08/30/kudos-to-statesman-craig-should-go/#comment-6144</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that Craig should have resigned.  In fact, I&#039;d go further, arguing that he should have either resigned earlier, been more open to his wife and family about the issue, or recused himself from voting on certain issues and not been as vocal about them.  He failed to do so, and will now pay a price.

Here&#039;s my problem: &quot;Craig-like any politician-thrives on the limelight.&quot; Let&#039;s get real.  We put these people there.  We want to know about their private lives for our own voyeristic apetites.

What the author doesn&#039;t bring up when he focuses on the apparently luxurious lifestyle of politicians is the fact that they deal with very high-pressure issues that affect people, must maintain very robust travel schedules that take them away from their families, and must regularly try to keep apathetic voters involved.

My limited time in Washington, D.C. and my study of political science in a democracy have taught me that certain truths are what they are: It takes money to run a campaign -- cost of TV and other things -- it is a high-pressure job -- we had to shut down military bases and put people out of work.  And, as Senator Warner just said, must fly to places around the world on a moment&#039;s notice, jump out of helicopters, and study extensively on controversial issues six to seven days a week.

Public service in a democracy is hard work, and the author ought to be a bit more balanced and, dare say, appreciative of those who take up the challenges it demands.  When only 20-40% of the voters even bother to show up for an election, the complaints about politicians -- whatever their failings -- ring a bit hollow.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Craig should have resigned.  In fact, I&#8217;d go further, arguing that he should have either resigned earlier, been more open to his wife and family about the issue, or recused himself from voting on certain issues and not been as vocal about them.  He failed to do so, and will now pay a price.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my problem: &#8220;Craig-like any politician-thrives on the limelight.&#8221; Let&#8217;s get real.  We put these people there.  We want to know about their private lives for our own voyeristic apetites.</p>
<p>What the author doesn&#8217;t bring up when he focuses on the apparently luxurious lifestyle of politicians is the fact that they deal with very high-pressure issues that affect people, must maintain very robust travel schedules that take them away from their families, and must regularly try to keep apathetic voters involved.</p>
<p>My limited time in Washington, D.C. and my study of political science in a democracy have taught me that certain truths are what they are: It takes money to run a campaign &#8212; cost of TV and other things &#8212; it is a high-pressure job &#8212; we had to shut down military bases and put people out of work.  And, as Senator Warner just said, must fly to places around the world on a moment&#8217;s notice, jump out of helicopters, and study extensively on controversial issues six to seven days a week.</p>
<p>Public service in a democracy is hard work, and the author ought to be a bit more balanced and, dare say, appreciative of those who take up the challenges it demands.  When only 20-40% of the voters even bother to show up for an election, the complaints about politicians &#8212; whatever their failings &#8212; ring a bit hollow.</p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[17. david Zarkin said:&quot;I am not defending Craig due to his homophobic public positions but I think he could have prevailed in court if he had plead innocent. There&#039;s no law against foot-tapping in Minnesota.&quot;

Correct, but there is a law against disorderly conduct, and here it is in case you were wondering. (assuming he was charged with the MN state code and not a local ordinance)

609.72 DISORDERLY CONDUCT.
Subdivision 1. Crime. Whoever does any of the following in a public or private place,
including on a school bus, knowing, or having reasonable grounds to know that it will, or will
tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke an assault or breach of the peace, is guilty of
disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanor:
(1) Engages in brawling or fighting; or
(2) Disturbs an assembly or meeting, not unlawful in its character; or
(3) Engages in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or in offensive,
obscene, or abusive language tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others.
A person does not violate this section if the person&#039;s disorderly conduct was caused by
an epileptic seizure.
Subd. 2.[Repealed, 1969 c 226 s 1]
Subd. 3. Caregiver; penalty for disorderly conduct. A caregiver, as defined in section
609.232, who violates the provisions of subdivision 1 against a vulnerable adult, as defined in
section 609.232, may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than one year or to payment of a
fine of not more than $3,000, or both.

I don&#039;t know about you, but I would be pretty alarmed and disturbed if the guy in the stall next to me was touching my foot and sticking his hand into my stall.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17. david Zarkin said:&#8221;I am not defending Craig due to his homophobic public positions but I think he could have prevailed in court if he had plead innocent. There&#8217;s no law against foot-tapping in Minnesota.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correct, but there is a law against disorderly conduct, and here it is in case you were wondering. (assuming he was charged with the MN state code and not a local ordinance)</p>
<p>609.72 DISORDERLY CONDUCT.<br />
Subdivision 1. Crime. Whoever does any of the following in a public or private place,<br />
including on a school bus, knowing, or having reasonable grounds to know that it will, or will<br />
tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke an assault or breach of the peace, is guilty of<br />
disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanor:<br />
(1) Engages in brawling or fighting; or<br />
(2) Disturbs an assembly or meeting, not unlawful in its character; or<br />
(3) Engages in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or in offensive,<br />
obscene, or abusive language tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others.<br />
A person does not violate this section if the person&#8217;s disorderly conduct was caused by<br />
an epileptic seizure.<br />
Subd. 2.[Repealed, 1969 c 226 s 1]<br />
Subd. 3. Caregiver; penalty for disorderly conduct. A caregiver, as defined in section<br />
609.232, who violates the provisions of subdivision 1 against a vulnerable adult, as defined in<br />
section 609.232, may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than one year or to payment of a<br />
fine of not more than $3,000, or both.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but I would be pretty alarmed and disturbed if the guy in the stall next to me was touching my foot and sticking his hand into my stall.</p>
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		By: shealyisnottheantichrist		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No doubt Craig handled it poorly.  He would have done better to quickly bring the issue to the media himself and put his own spin on it.  However, biblically, he should have been allowed the courtesy of public comment before being called on to resign by Christians, whether he was innocent or guilty.  This rush to judgment no doubt had some effect on the national branch of the party throwing him under the bus so quickly.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt Craig handled it poorly.  He would have done better to quickly bring the issue to the media himself and put his own spin on it.  However, biblically, he should have been allowed the courtesy of public comment before being called on to resign by Christians, whether he was innocent or guilty.  This rush to judgment no doubt had some effect on the national branch of the party throwing him under the bus so quickly.</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Treva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Believe me - if Idaho had a Democratic governor Craig would have had all the support in the world from his fellow Republicans. They would have done anything to keep a Democrat being appointed to Craig&#039;s senate seat.

But our Guv is a Republican so it was pretty easy for the party to throw Craig under the bus.  Politics is a nasty business.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe me &#8211; if Idaho had a Democratic governor Craig would have had all the support in the world from his fellow Republicans. They would have done anything to keep a Democrat being appointed to Craig&#8217;s senate seat.</p>
<p>But our Guv is a Republican so it was pretty easy for the party to throw Craig under the bus.  Politics is a nasty business.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am not defending Craig due to his homophobic public positions but I think he could have prevailed in court if he had plead innocent.  There&#039;s no law against foot-tapping in Minnesota.  Definitely a double standard when Sen. David Vetter gets a rousing applause after admitting he hired postitutes a few years ago and Craig is forced to resign.  I can&#039;t imagine that Craig will want to remain in Idaho now that he is powerless.  The taped interview with the airport cop sealed his fate.  Interesting that the Republicans have been hit hard with moral issues in their two strongholds -- the South and the Mountain West.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not defending Craig due to his homophobic public positions but I think he could have prevailed in court if he had plead innocent.  There&#8217;s no law against foot-tapping in Minnesota.  Definitely a double standard when Sen. David Vetter gets a rousing applause after admitting he hired postitutes a few years ago and Craig is forced to resign.  I can&#8217;t imagine that Craig will want to remain in Idaho now that he is powerless.  The taped interview with the airport cop sealed his fate.  Interesting that the Republicans have been hit hard with moral issues in their two strongholds &#8212; the South and the Mountain West.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have heard from two out-of-state relatives about the Craig mess up.  We are all Democrats.  My relatives said it sounded to them like Craig was perhaps set up by the cop. After I heard the taped interview yesterday, that crossed my mind too.  But that&#039;s just speculation.  Apparently his own party doesn&#039;t have much sympathy for him.

What always seems odd to me is the obsession Republicans have about sex.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard from two out-of-state relatives about the Craig mess up.  We are all Democrats.  My relatives said it sounded to them like Craig was perhaps set up by the cop. After I heard the taped interview yesterday, that crossed my mind too.  But that&#8217;s just speculation.  Apparently his own party doesn&#8217;t have much sympathy for him.</p>
<p>What always seems odd to me is the obsession Republicans have about sex.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Depot Bill, thats funny! Shockwave, I bet they run to the showers to clean up.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depot Bill, thats funny! Shockwave, I bet they run to the showers to clean up.</p>
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