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		By: shealyisnottheantichrist		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/09/01/craig-departure-like-a-public-hanging/#comment-6177</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[It may be that Craig would like to have some say over who replaces him, and he has to flex his muscles to make his views known to the powers that be.
Who can know what kind of pressures the governor is under right now as well?  I would bet the phone wires from D.C. and the Republican HQ to Boise are a little hot right now.
As a former Minnesotan who spent some time in an Ada County courtroom, anything could happen there.  It&#039;s a crap shoot.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be that Craig would like to have some say over who replaces him, and he has to flex his muscles to make his views known to the powers that be.<br />
Who can know what kind of pressures the governor is under right now as well?  I would bet the phone wires from D.C. and the Republican HQ to Boise are a little hot right now.<br />
As a former Minnesotan who spent some time in an Ada County courtroom, anything could happen there.  It&#8217;s a crap shoot.</p>
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		By: RiverCity		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/09/01/craig-departure-like-a-public-hanging/#comment-6176</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RiverCity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Craig has simply fallen into desperation. He can&#039;t face that his long political career will be wrapped up by scandal, so he chooses to waste tax payer time and money in a lame attempt to turn the tide.  However, it just can&#039;t happen now. Even if the Minneapolis court retracted the guilty plea, which seems doubtful, there will still always linger the notion of what he did and who he is.  He has become pathetic.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig has simply fallen into desperation. He can&#8217;t face that his long political career will be wrapped up by scandal, so he chooses to waste tax payer time and money in a lame attempt to turn the tide.  However, it just can&#8217;t happen now. Even if the Minneapolis court retracted the guilty plea, which seems doubtful, there will still always linger the notion of what he did and who he is.  He has become pathetic.</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, whatever sympathy I had for Craig has, so to speak, gone down the toilet. What an egotistical phony. For the Democrats, however, it doesn&#039;t get much better than this.  I think we won&#039;t be hearing about &quot;family values&quot; next year from the Republicans.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, whatever sympathy I had for Craig has, so to speak, gone down the toilet. What an egotistical phony. For the Democrats, however, it doesn&#8217;t get much better than this.  I think we won&#8217;t be hearing about &#8220;family values&#8221; next year from the Republicans.</p>
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		By: david Zarkin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hats off to Larry.  He&#039;s reconsidering the resignation.  It doesn&#039;t get any better than this.  Maybe he&#039;ll even change his views on the hot button &quot;social&quot; issues.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hats off to Larry.  He&#8217;s reconsidering the resignation.  It doesn&#8217;t get any better than this.  Maybe he&#8217;ll even change his views on the hot button &#8220;social&#8221; issues.</p>
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		By: curious george		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And now the other shoe drops...

Craig&#039;s now saying that the operative phrase at the press conference was &quot;I intend&quot; - stressing that he did not say, &quot;I will&quot;, &quot;I shall&quot;, or &quot;I plan&quot; on resigning.

I&#039;ve been quiet on this issue until now, since if George Wallace could resurrect his political career, so can someone like Craig. I was waiting for the pictures of him holding hands with his &quot;good friend&quot; at the next Log Cabin Republican gathering.

What few people in Idaho realize is that the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area is home to the largest, most open, and most supportive gay community in the U.S. - outside of San Francisco. It is also, thanks to its Scandinavian roots, a fairly reserved place. It&#039;s not surprising to me that a city that voted into office an openly gay city councilman at the height of the AID&#039;s scare (Minneapolis, in the late 1980&#039;s) also draws a strict line between those places set aside for business and those set aside for pleasure.

Personally, I think that if Craig is pinning his hopes on a Minneapolis judge throwing out his guilty plea - he (and his legal team) have mis-read the situation. Any prosecuting attorney will tell you that having a man of Scandinavian (or German) descent on a jury bodes well for a guilty verdict. We (for I am a scandahoovian, and former Minneapolis resident) are a strict people - a guilty plea means &quot;you are guilty by your own admission&quot;. Honestly, why would a cop arrest you if you weren&#039;t guilty - that&#039;s the little Norwegian on my sholder speaking.

It looks like Craig will now do everything he can to serve out his term, so the history books won&#039;t put an asterisk next to his name (it just won&#039;t be for juicing).

Truly unfortunately, Idahoans won&#039;t get much &quot;representation&quot; over the next year and a half from a man hellbent on writing his own version of history - plus, his fellow republicans have already stripped him of his committee postings (it won&#039;t matter that he&#039;ll be sitting in the Senate Chambers if he&#039;s prevented from having a hand in the crafting of bills). He will be seen as the quintissential, corrupted Washington insider - political poison ivy.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now the other shoe drops&#8230;</p>
<p>Craig&#8217;s now saying that the operative phrase at the press conference was &#8220;I intend&#8221; &#8211; stressing that he did not say, &#8220;I will&#8221;, &#8220;I shall&#8221;, or &#8220;I plan&#8221; on resigning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been quiet on this issue until now, since if George Wallace could resurrect his political career, so can someone like Craig. I was waiting for the pictures of him holding hands with his &#8220;good friend&#8221; at the next Log Cabin Republican gathering.</p>
<p>What few people in Idaho realize is that the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area is home to the largest, most open, and most supportive gay community in the U.S. &#8211; outside of San Francisco. It is also, thanks to its Scandinavian roots, a fairly reserved place. It&#8217;s not surprising to me that a city that voted into office an openly gay city councilman at the height of the AID&#8217;s scare (Minneapolis, in the late 1980&#8217;s) also draws a strict line between those places set aside for business and those set aside for pleasure.</p>
<p>Personally, I think that if Craig is pinning his hopes on a Minneapolis judge throwing out his guilty plea &#8211; he (and his legal team) have mis-read the situation. Any prosecuting attorney will tell you that having a man of Scandinavian (or German) descent on a jury bodes well for a guilty verdict. We (for I am a scandahoovian, and former Minneapolis resident) are a strict people &#8211; a guilty plea means &#8220;you are guilty by your own admission&#8221;. Honestly, why would a cop arrest you if you weren&#8217;t guilty &#8211; that&#8217;s the little Norwegian on my sholder speaking.</p>
<p>It looks like Craig will now do everything he can to serve out his term, so the history books won&#8217;t put an asterisk next to his name (it just won&#8217;t be for juicing).</p>
<p>Truly unfortunately, Idahoans won&#8217;t get much &#8220;representation&#8221; over the next year and a half from a man hellbent on writing his own version of history &#8211; plus, his fellow republicans have already stripped him of his committee postings (it won&#8217;t matter that he&#8217;ll be sitting in the Senate Chambers if he&#8217;s prevented from having a hand in the crafting of bills). He will be seen as the quintissential, corrupted Washington insider &#8211; political poison ivy.</p>
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		By: RiverCity		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/09/01/craig-departure-like-a-public-hanging/#comment-6172</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wonk, I think the legality of the issue is only a sidenote to all of this.  Whether what he did is legal or not the good people of Idaho will not stand for a Senator who seeks gay sex in a public restroom or anywhere else for that matter.
And yes, if he were seeking a hookup with a woman instead of a man it would make a huge difference. We already have recent examples of Republican politicians caught in heterosexual encounters such as this, but they weren&#039;t run from office.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonk, I think the legality of the issue is only a sidenote to all of this.  Whether what he did is legal or not the good people of Idaho will not stand for a Senator who seeks gay sex in a public restroom or anywhere else for that matter.<br />
And yes, if he were seeking a hookup with a woman instead of a man it would make a huge difference. We already have recent examples of Republican politicians caught in heterosexual encounters such as this, but they weren&#8217;t run from office.</p>
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		By: thom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought Sen. Craig handled the announcement about as well as he could, under the circumstances.  The only way he could make it worse would be to announce that yet again he didn&#039;t really mean it and might not resign after all.  Oh wait.....
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Sen. Craig handled the announcement about as well as he could, under the circumstances.  The only way he could make it worse would be to announce that yet again he didn&#8217;t really mean it and might not resign after all.  Oh wait&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Wonk Vader		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gordon, you make a good point. People hit on each other all time (usually in bars but sometimes at parties and in supermarkets). As long as they don&#039;t have sex in public, it&#039;s not a problem. If you hit on someone in a bathroom, why is that necessarily in and of itself against the law?

Craig had his best chance to defend himself prior to pleading guilty, if he really believed he was innocent. What has the world come to if you can be arrested for seeking sex in a public restroom just because you tap your foot or it wanders into the next stall? Some stalls are extremely narrow. If you took it to trial, you would have a good chance of establishing that tapping your foot, etc., isn&#039;t enough to establish that you want sex - that you need to do something more overt.

Of course, if Craig would have defended himself in court, The Statesman would likely have published Pokey&#039;s anonymous source story, all the old and new rumors would have come out and the result would have been the same, it just would have taken a year or so. Someone might have been able to pull off such a defense 10 years ago, but in the age of the Internet, open rumors both true and untrue would have put a trial in a very different context. Either way, Craig would have been too weakened to seek reelection.

Also, I have to wonder if Craig would been treated differently - if he would have treated himself differently - if his sexual tendencies were heterosexual and he was busted for soliciting a female prostitute. Would it have made a difference? I want to think not, but something tells me it would have been easier for him somehow.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon, you make a good point. People hit on each other all time (usually in bars but sometimes at parties and in supermarkets). As long as they don&#8217;t have sex in public, it&#8217;s not a problem. If you hit on someone in a bathroom, why is that necessarily in and of itself against the law?</p>
<p>Craig had his best chance to defend himself prior to pleading guilty, if he really believed he was innocent. What has the world come to if you can be arrested for seeking sex in a public restroom just because you tap your foot or it wanders into the next stall? Some stalls are extremely narrow. If you took it to trial, you would have a good chance of establishing that tapping your foot, etc., isn&#8217;t enough to establish that you want sex &#8211; that you need to do something more overt.</p>
<p>Of course, if Craig would have defended himself in court, The Statesman would likely have published Pokey&#8217;s anonymous source story, all the old and new rumors would have come out and the result would have been the same, it just would have taken a year or so. Someone might have been able to pull off such a defense 10 years ago, but in the age of the Internet, open rumors both true and untrue would have put a trial in a very different context. Either way, Craig would have been too weakened to seek reelection.</p>
<p>Also, I have to wonder if Craig would been treated differently &#8211; if he would have treated himself differently &#8211; if his sexual tendencies were heterosexual and he was busted for soliciting a female prostitute. Would it have made a difference? I want to think not, but something tells me it would have been easier for him somehow.</p>
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		By: Sam the sham		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Craig can now stand with George Hansen in Idaho&#039;s great Hall of Shame. As I recall, they both belong to the same party and served themselves well...so at least two people from Idaho were served by these two &quot;great Idahoans&quot;.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig can now stand with George Hansen in Idaho&#8217;s great Hall of Shame. As I recall, they both belong to the same party and served themselves well&#8230;so at least two people from Idaho were served by these two &#8220;great Idahoans&#8221;.</p>
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		By: RiverCity		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RiverCity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find a bit of sympathy on a human level for Craig; a man who in a dark moment of indescretion damaged an entire career.
However, his hypocrisy knows no bounds. As a conservative Republican he used his power to oppresss a minority class of people in this country, and even after being caught red handed (so to speak) he continues to stand in defiant gesture toward his own nature.
Many Idahoans I think are full of hypocrisy as well, and contribute to the problem.  I get sick of hearing people call into radio shows or even on this message board say that the problem isn&#039;t that he&#039;s gay but more what he did and that he lied.  What bunch of crap.  If he were to just come out and say &quot;hey, i&#039;m gay but I would like to continue being your senator&quot; the fine people of this state would run him out of office in a hurry.
I also think that the Republican party really showed its true colors when they so viciously turned on their long time friend and colleague. It was a stark display of loyalty being trumped by politics.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find a bit of sympathy on a human level for Craig; a man who in a dark moment of indescretion damaged an entire career.<br />
However, his hypocrisy knows no bounds. As a conservative Republican he used his power to oppresss a minority class of people in this country, and even after being caught red handed (so to speak) he continues to stand in defiant gesture toward his own nature.<br />
Many Idahoans I think are full of hypocrisy as well, and contribute to the problem.  I get sick of hearing people call into radio shows or even on this message board say that the problem isn&#8217;t that he&#8217;s gay but more what he did and that he lied.  What bunch of crap.  If he were to just come out and say &#8220;hey, i&#8217;m gay but I would like to continue being your senator&#8221; the fine people of this state would run him out of office in a hurry.<br />
I also think that the Republican party really showed its true colors when they so viciously turned on their long time friend and colleague. It was a stark display of loyalty being trumped by politics.</p>
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