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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/10/26/more-pigs-at-city-hall/#comment-6693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CYCLOPS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 05:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grumpy, I happen to agree with you about Coles. He was indeed &quot;in touch&quot; with the community. He was done in by some dumb personnel choices. I am convinced that if you spent 30 minutes with Tibbs, his logic and leadership would become very apparrent.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy, I happen to agree with you about Coles. He was indeed &#8220;in touch&#8221; with the community. He was done in by some dumb personnel choices. I am convinced that if you spent 30 minutes with Tibbs, his logic and leadership would become very apparrent.</p>
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		By: Grumpy ole guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/10/26/more-pigs-at-city-hall/#comment-6692</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy ole guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclops, yes, I have read the web pages and the information I&#039;ve seen in the Statesman.  I remain convinced that the differences between Bieter&#039;s and Tibb&#039;s &quot;positions&quot; is very small indeed.     This may be a red flag for many, but Brent Coles remains in my mind as a very good Mayor.  He put too much faith in one or two of his assistants, but he understood municipal government in a way few before and after him have.

He understood potential and possibility of city government and moved the City forward.  His administration seemed both more open and involved with the citizenry than others.     Bieter has disappointed by remaining too much &quot;within&quot; and too little &quot;out of&quot; City Hall and Tibbs shows no indication that he has the talent or ability to lead the City.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclops, yes, I have read the web pages and the information I&#8217;ve seen in the Statesman.  I remain convinced that the differences between Bieter&#8217;s and Tibb&#8217;s &#8220;positions&#8221; is very small indeed.     This may be a red flag for many, but Brent Coles remains in my mind as a very good Mayor.  He put too much faith in one or two of his assistants, but he understood municipal government in a way few before and after him have.</p>
<p>He understood potential and possibility of city government and moved the City forward.  His administration seemed both more open and involved with the citizenry than others.     Bieter has disappointed by remaining too much &#8220;within&#8221; and too little &#8220;out of&#8221; City Hall and Tibbs shows no indication that he has the talent or ability to lead the City.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/10/26/more-pigs-at-city-hall/#comment-6691</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boisecynic: Thanks for pointing out that I generalized the amount of money and what it going to be used for. The point was, don&#039;t we have better things to spend our money on. I know not all money is coming from taxes but $750,000 is no chump change. You state &quot;30 cents per year per resident over time. Yeah, sure there will be maintenance costs, what, another buck a year per resident&quot;, now multiply that by every other project they have done without us getting to vote on it and you have our current property tax. Talk about taxation without representation.

Let&#039;s spend the 6 million on making the nicest park in the state, and while we walk through the park thinking about how nice our lives are we can talk about the homeless people digging through the garbage and what should be done about them. Sounds like a wonderful place to be. Maybe you, the council and the mayor can all spend your weekends there. Then you guys could ignore the real problems we have in this city/state/country. You should be a politician, you would fit right in.

Signed,
The Un-informed Voter.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boisecynic: Thanks for pointing out that I generalized the amount of money and what it going to be used for. The point was, don&#8217;t we have better things to spend our money on. I know not all money is coming from taxes but $750,000 is no chump change. You state &#8220;30 cents per year per resident over time. Yeah, sure there will be maintenance costs, what, another buck a year per resident&#8221;, now multiply that by every other project they have done without us getting to vote on it and you have our current property tax. Talk about taxation without representation.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s spend the 6 million on making the nicest park in the state, and while we walk through the park thinking about how nice our lives are we can talk about the homeless people digging through the garbage and what should be done about them. Sounds like a wonderful place to be. Maybe you, the council and the mayor can all spend your weekends there. Then you guys could ignore the real problems we have in this city/state/country. You should be a politician, you would fit right in.</p>
<p>Signed,<br />
The Un-informed Voter.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/10/26/more-pigs-at-city-hall/#comment-6690</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, Guardian, maybe you&#039;re right that a couple hundred thousand folks round the region ain&#039;t enough to provide passengers worth stopping for.
Guess there must be millions or so in West Glacier, Mont., since Amtrak still maintains a station there with train service.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Guardian, maybe you&#8217;re right that a couple hundred thousand folks round the region ain&#8217;t enough to provide passengers worth stopping for.<br />
Guess there must be millions or so in West Glacier, Mont., since Amtrak still maintains a station there with train service.<br />
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Monday 	07:30 am &#8211; 4:30 pm<br />
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		By: Kevin Richert		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/10/26/more-pigs-at-city-hall/#comment-6689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Richert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From my blog:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2007/10/29/krichert/the_unfiltered_alan_shealy_strikes_again&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2007/10/29/krichert/the_unfiltered_alan_shealy_strikes_again&lt;/a&gt;

Kevin Richert,
editorial page editor, Idaho Statesman
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2007/10/29/krichert/the_unfiltered_alan_shealy_strikes_again" rel="nofollow">http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2007/10/29/krichert/the_unfiltered_alan_shealy_strikes_again</a></p>
<p>Kevin Richert,<br />
editorial page editor, Idaho Statesman</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/10/26/more-pigs-at-city-hall/#comment-6688</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d rather have kayakers in the river than more bums hanging out on the greenbelt. Where is your neighborhood and if you care for the homeless so much, how about housing them over there?

Another thing that&#039;s being conveniently left out about the kayak park, as it&#039;s being called by the nattering nabobs of negativsim, the construction costs of $6 million is a ONE TIME cost for something that will last at least 100 years.

That&#039;s $60,000 per year. Divided by the 200,000 residents of Boise equals 30 cents per year per resident over time. Yeah, sure there will be maintenance costs, what, another buck a year per resident? You could save that by cancelling your dial-up internet sevice. Yeesh.

Dear BoiseGuardian;

Please change my moniker to BoiseOptimist and the names of certain others to cynic.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather have kayakers in the river than more bums hanging out on the greenbelt. Where is your neighborhood and if you care for the homeless so much, how about housing them over there?</p>
<p>Another thing that&#8217;s being conveniently left out about the kayak park, as it&#8217;s being called by the nattering nabobs of negativsim, the construction costs of $6 million is a ONE TIME cost for something that will last at least 100 years.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s $60,000 per year. Divided by the 200,000 residents of Boise equals 30 cents per year per resident over time. Yeah, sure there will be maintenance costs, what, another buck a year per resident? You could save that by cancelling your dial-up internet sevice. Yeesh.</p>
<p>Dear BoiseGuardian;</p>
<p>Please change my moniker to BoiseOptimist and the names of certain others to cynic.</p>
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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/10/26/more-pigs-at-city-hall/#comment-6687</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CYCLOPS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grumpy, the bottom line here is that the Guardian is a royal pain in the collective butts of 4 council members and the mayor. Their lives would be so much easier if &quot;Fraz&quot; would just go away.
You state that there is &quot;less than a dime&#039;s worth of expressed goals&quot;. I would ask if you have ever spoken with Jim Tibbs? Have you bothered to visit his web-site? Have you taken the time to read any of the 5 position statements Tibbs has released so far? I can&#039;t help but believe that if you made an effort to become informed, you would see HUGE differences between the two.
A voter has to explore what the challenger wants to do, if elected. An incumbant has to run on what has been, or hasn&#039;t been done during their tenure.
Bieter?
No CCDC audit in 7 MONTHS!
No detox center
No improvement in traffic control
No improvement in the bus system
No improvement in the P&amp;Z process
Net loss of businesses in Boise City.
A less than truthful budget process( Dept. is only allowed to spend 98% of the annual budget. Must turn back 2% for Mayor&#039;s pet projects.)
Talks about protecting the foothills while the city has issued over 800 building permits north of the river in the last 4 years.
Had a very public stand about a gold mine upriver from Boise while he knew that nothing would really change, (except how they got to the mine)
Has done nothing but talk about the Hop-Scotch growth we have experienced over the last 4 years.
What about &quot;the biggest party that Boise has ever seen&quot; when the men and women that put their lives on hold for us as they went off to war. Bieter got them some tickets to the bowl game. OORAHH!
He is just one big &quot;photo op&quot; after another.
The old west saying certainly applies here. Bieter is &quot;All hat and no cattle!&quot;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy, the bottom line here is that the Guardian is a royal pain in the collective butts of 4 council members and the mayor. Their lives would be so much easier if &#8220;Fraz&#8221; would just go away.<br />
You state that there is &#8220;less than a dime&#8217;s worth of expressed goals&#8221;. I would ask if you have ever spoken with Jim Tibbs? Have you bothered to visit his web-site? Have you taken the time to read any of the 5 position statements Tibbs has released so far? I can&#8217;t help but believe that if you made an effort to become informed, you would see HUGE differences between the two.<br />
A voter has to explore what the challenger wants to do, if elected. An incumbant has to run on what has been, or hasn&#8217;t been done during their tenure.<br />
Bieter?<br />
No CCDC audit in 7 MONTHS!<br />
No detox center<br />
No improvement in traffic control<br />
No improvement in the bus system<br />
No improvement in the P&#038;Z process<br />
Net loss of businesses in Boise City.<br />
A less than truthful budget process( Dept. is only allowed to spend 98% of the annual budget. Must turn back 2% for Mayor&#8217;s pet projects.)<br />
Talks about protecting the foothills while the city has issued over 800 building permits north of the river in the last 4 years.<br />
Had a very public stand about a gold mine upriver from Boise while he knew that nothing would really change, (except how they got to the mine)<br />
Has done nothing but talk about the Hop-Scotch growth we have experienced over the last 4 years.<br />
What about &#8220;the biggest party that Boise has ever seen&#8221; when the men and women that put their lives on hold for us as they went off to war. Bieter got them some tickets to the bowl game. OORAHH!<br />
He is just one big &#8220;photo op&#8221; after another.<br />
The old west saying certainly applies here. Bieter is &#8220;All hat and no cattle!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Grumpy ole guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/10/26/more-pigs-at-city-hall/#comment-6686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy ole guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everyone uses &quot;statistics&quot; for her/his own gain; but,   What are the circulation figures for the Statesman, and the number of hits on the Guardian per day or week?   Perhaps our &quot;City fathers&quot; will understand the numbers of readers of blogs and the number of posters thereunto are different, just as are the number of newspaper subscribers and the number of authors of letters to the editor.  The condescending tone of the &quot;warm spit&quot; remark is alarming to me, and I hope that the snickers were not an indication that the others agreed with the expression.   I hold little reverence for either postion or the holder of the position; but I&#039;d like to think that respect for the position and respect for those represented was mutual.   Despite the frequent actions which would point to the contrary.   I may be in for a spot of non-voting in some of the races.    Certainly there seems to be no clear need to bother to vote in the mayoral race, given the less than a dime&#039;s worth of  expressed goals (or, is less than a dime the same as the worth of a pitcher of warm spit?)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone uses &#8220;statistics&#8221; for her/his own gain; but,   What are the circulation figures for the Statesman, and the number of hits on the Guardian per day or week?   Perhaps our &#8220;City fathers&#8221; will understand the numbers of readers of blogs and the number of posters thereunto are different, just as are the number of newspaper subscribers and the number of authors of letters to the editor.  The condescending tone of the &#8220;warm spit&#8221; remark is alarming to me, and I hope that the snickers were not an indication that the others agreed with the expression.   I hold little reverence for either postion or the holder of the position; but I&#8217;d like to think that respect for the position and respect for those represented was mutual.   Despite the frequent actions which would point to the contrary.   I may be in for a spot of non-voting in some of the races.    Certainly there seems to be no clear need to bother to vote in the mayoral race, given the less than a dime&#8217;s worth of  expressed goals (or, is less than a dime the same as the worth of a pitcher of warm spit?)</p>
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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CYCLOPS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right again boisecynic! It is ONLY going to cost us $750,000.00 to put a bunch of boulders in the river. The mayor and the council couldn&#039;t find $40,000 to waive the fees for the rescue mission sewer hook-up, but they have 3/4 of a MILLION dollars for a rock-strewn river?? ARE YOU KIDDING??
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right again boisecynic! It is ONLY going to cost us $750,000.00 to put a bunch of boulders in the river. The mayor and the council couldn&#8217;t find $40,000 to waive the fees for the rescue mission sewer hook-up, but they have 3/4 of a MILLION dollars for a rock-strewn river?? ARE YOU KIDDING??</p>
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		By: Mom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boisecynic--
I sympathize with your frustration about uninformed voters.  Using your analogy to identifying a saw  vs a hammer, Shealy would probably attack the guy with the circular saw to prove his point!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boisecynic&#8211;<br />
I sympathize with your frustration about uninformed voters.  Using your analogy to identifying a saw  vs a hammer, Shealy would probably attack the guy with the circular saw to prove his point!</p>
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