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		By: Mike Murphy, Bull Moose Tenor		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/11/21/lots-of-green-on-black-friday/#comment-6882</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Murphy, Bull Moose Tenor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What happened with the Grove Hotel Complex is that the City Sold-its-Soul (Literally!) to get a &quot;Five Star Hotel&quot; (Subsequently DOWN Graded).

Remember how...

* The Grove Hotel was threatened with litigation for dubbing THEMSELVES a &quot;Five Star Hotel&quot; before they even opened for business.

* The &quot;Sports Zone&quot; (overlooking the Grove Fountain) built an enclosure despite it&#039;s permit having been denied (and the city shrugging its shoulders)?

And so on, Ad Infinitum...

I&#039;ve seen Inner-City Prison Buildings with more Curb Appeal than that tomb, and everyone associated with its planning, construction and operation should be ashamed of themselves.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened with the Grove Hotel Complex is that the City Sold-its-Soul (Literally!) to get a &#8220;Five Star Hotel&#8221; (Subsequently DOWN Graded).</p>
<p>Remember how&#8230;</p>
<p>* The Grove Hotel was threatened with litigation for dubbing THEMSELVES a &#8220;Five Star Hotel&#8221; before they even opened for business.</p>
<p>* The &#8220;Sports Zone&#8221; (overlooking the Grove Fountain) built an enclosure despite it&#8217;s permit having been denied (and the city shrugging its shoulders)?</p>
<p>And so on, Ad Infinitum&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Inner-City Prison Buildings with more Curb Appeal than that tomb, and everyone associated with its planning, construction and operation should be ashamed of themselves.</p>
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		By: slim jim		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/11/21/lots-of-green-on-black-friday/#comment-6881</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t go to the mall and I don&#039;t shop on Black Friday. Shopping is not one of main activities, so I leave that to those folks. As an American, I think that we already stuff our homes, cars, yards, storage units and land fills with too much junk.

However, I do have enough in savings to live for a year or two should something happen to my job. . . provided I don&#039;t have to rent part of a road from achd.
This world has become far too insane for me.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t go to the mall and I don&#8217;t shop on Black Friday. Shopping is not one of main activities, so I leave that to those folks. As an American, I think that we already stuff our homes, cars, yards, storage units and land fills with too much junk.</p>
<p>However, I do have enough in savings to live for a year or two should something happen to my job. . . provided I don&#8217;t have to rent part of a road from achd.<br />
This world has become far too insane for me.</p>
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		By: Treva		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/11/21/lots-of-green-on-black-friday/#comment-6880</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Treva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder who at P&amp;Z okayed a plan for the Grove Hotel to have no loading area on their own property for their own use.

I also wonder, no matter how European cool it is, that businesses get to use up the sidewalks as part of their business, and the bike parkers use up the rest.

We don&#039;t go to the mall so there will be one less car trying to go there.

It is hard for me to understand this herd mentality about shopping on black Friday.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder who at P&#038;Z okayed a plan for the Grove Hotel to have no loading area on their own property for their own use.</p>
<p>I also wonder, no matter how European cool it is, that businesses get to use up the sidewalks as part of their business, and the bike parkers use up the rest.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t go to the mall so there will be one less car trying to go there.</p>
<p>It is hard for me to understand this herd mentality about shopping on black Friday.</p>
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		By: Grumpy ole guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/11/21/lots-of-green-on-black-friday/#comment-6879</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy ole guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Several years ago I inquired about the loading/unloading at the Convention Center and was told that there had been a &quot;permanent variance&quot; issued which exepmpted the Convention Center from the &quot;normal&quot; regulation of providing off-street, non-obstructive, loading / unloading.   I inquired and was met with the polite bureaucratic stone wall at each turn, told basically that I wasn&#039;t able to understand the issue(s) and so just go away and not bother the nice people.     I had no idea that variances came with rental conditions - I thought that it was on the property.

So, let&#039;s see - - - is  the case that the &quot;rental fee&quot; is paid by the CCDC out of the tax monies it gathers?      So, if I want to use the street in front of my house for a pay for use parking lot, say from 10 - 3 daily, I can do that provided I pay the ACHD a rental fee first?  Or, would I have to ask other tax payers to pay the fee to ACHD, naturally, I wouldn&#039;t want to share the revenue, but I could promise to use the money to improve my property, thereby keeping the valuation high, for the sake of my neighbors - the entire community, in fact.

More disgusted than grumpy.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago I inquired about the loading/unloading at the Convention Center and was told that there had been a &#8220;permanent variance&#8221; issued which exepmpted the Convention Center from the &#8220;normal&#8221; regulation of providing off-street, non-obstructive, loading / unloading.   I inquired and was met with the polite bureaucratic stone wall at each turn, told basically that I wasn&#8217;t able to understand the issue(s) and so just go away and not bother the nice people.     I had no idea that variances came with rental conditions &#8211; I thought that it was on the property.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s see &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; is  the case that the &#8220;rental fee&#8221; is paid by the CCDC out of the tax monies it gathers?      So, if I want to use the street in front of my house for a pay for use parking lot, say from 10 &#8211; 3 daily, I can do that provided I pay the ACHD a rental fee first?  Or, would I have to ask other tax payers to pay the fee to ACHD, naturally, I wouldn&#8217;t want to share the revenue, but I could promise to use the money to improve my property, thereby keeping the valuation high, for the sake of my neighbors &#8211; the entire community, in fact.</p>
<p>More disgusted than grumpy.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The BIKE LANE!, now that should be addressed promptly.  It is a thoroughfare just like the middle of the road and should remain unobstructed.

And those going to Black Friday shopping, have fun stay safe and relax.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BIKE LANE!, now that should be addressed promptly.  It is a thoroughfare just like the middle of the road and should remain unobstructed.</p>
<p>And those going to Black Friday shopping, have fun stay safe and relax.</p>
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		By: sara		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/11/21/lots-of-green-on-black-friday/#comment-6877</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You mean that ACHD is finally staffing the control center?  Cool.  Too bad it&#039;s just for the mall area on Black Friday and not for the rest of the county the rest of the year.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean that ACHD is finally staffing the control center?  Cool.  Too bad it&#8217;s just for the mall area on Black Friday and not for the rest of the county the rest of the year.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/11/21/lots-of-green-on-black-friday/#comment-6876</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I understand the concerns about the cheapest real estate in downtown being the street.  But the concerns about Northend street storage should be approached with caution.

I mainly ride my bike for commute and pleasure, thus my vehicle sits on the street for up to 3 weeks at a time.  I admit to storing my vehicle on the street because my garage is too small and my offstreet parking is used for a trailer.

EDITOR NOTE--Duly noted.  I am told the POD is in the bike lane as well.  The POD is the big one which is nearly the size of a semi trailer.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the concerns about the cheapest real estate in downtown being the street.  But the concerns about Northend street storage should be approached with caution.</p>
<p>I mainly ride my bike for commute and pleasure, thus my vehicle sits on the street for up to 3 weeks at a time.  I admit to storing my vehicle on the street because my garage is too small and my offstreet parking is used for a trailer.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Duly noted.  I am told the POD is in the bike lane as well.  The POD is the big one which is nearly the size of a semi trailer.</p>
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		By: Mike Murphy, Bull Moose Tenor		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2007/11/21/lots-of-green-on-black-friday/#comment-6875</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Murphy, Bull Moose Tenor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As inconvenient and corrupt as that situation was / is, I present a far more frightening one.

8th Street, Between Main and Bannock (A &quot;Private&quot; Street, ahem,  &quot;Owned&quot; by the CCDC).

A Fire Lane in the Heart of Downtown, and on any given day you couldn&#039;t get a greased needle through with a jackhammer!

The primary culprits being beer trucks, and narcissists for whom the rules don&#039;t apply.

This is a dangerous situation that will certainly result in the eventual delay of emergency services that will at a minimum cause someone to suffer unnecessarily, or worse, result in death and / or unnecessary destruction (i.e. Fire).

And in-so-much-as the CCDC, DBA the Mayor&#039;s Office, the City Council, Parking Control and the BPD are well aware of the situation, this inevitable and wholly avoidable tragedy should permit even the most mediocre litigator to sue the city into the Stone Age!

I empathize with the working man (being one myself); But the problem is EASILY solved by parking delivery rigs on Main, Idaho or Bannock (or the Alleys, where they can park free for up to 30 minutes) and walking a few extra feet.

I DON&#039;T empathize with Krick, Inc., et al, or the Beer Distributors who create the problem in the name of cost effectiveness.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As inconvenient and corrupt as that situation was / is, I present a far more frightening one.</p>
<p>8th Street, Between Main and Bannock (A &#8220;Private&#8221; Street, ahem,  &#8220;Owned&#8221; by the CCDC).</p>
<p>A Fire Lane in the Heart of Downtown, and on any given day you couldn&#8217;t get a greased needle through with a jackhammer!</p>
<p>The primary culprits being beer trucks, and narcissists for whom the rules don&#8217;t apply.</p>
<p>This is a dangerous situation that will certainly result in the eventual delay of emergency services that will at a minimum cause someone to suffer unnecessarily, or worse, result in death and / or unnecessary destruction (i.e. Fire).</p>
<p>And in-so-much-as the CCDC, DBA the Mayor&#8217;s Office, the City Council, Parking Control and the BPD are well aware of the situation, this inevitable and wholly avoidable tragedy should permit even the most mediocre litigator to sue the city into the Stone Age!</p>
<p>I empathize with the working man (being one myself); But the problem is EASILY solved by parking delivery rigs on Main, Idaho or Bannock (or the Alleys, where they can park free for up to 30 minutes) and walking a few extra feet.</p>
<p>I DON&#8217;T empathize with Krick, Inc., et al, or the Beer Distributors who create the problem in the name of cost effectiveness.</p>
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