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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7502</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Holy Great Gatsby Batman! It sounds like there is an attorney that wants to do something positive for the community! All this time I felt like attorneys were bottom feeders, and now I have to deal with the possibility that there may actually be one that is an actual concerned citizen! I am not sure my little mind can absorb such information, but thanks Paul.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Great Gatsby Batman! It sounds like there is an attorney that wants to do something positive for the community! All this time I felt like attorneys were bottom feeders, and now I have to deal with the possibility that there may actually be one that is an actual concerned citizen! I am not sure my little mind can absorb such information, but thanks Paul.</p>
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		By: paul		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7501</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave,
I went to the Nampa Urban renewal board meeting today 1-29-2008 and guess what?  The board consisted of 4 city council members, one county commissioner and a couple of other guys from the community at large.  They say they are not subject to the Idhao Consititution and are therefore exempt from Art.8 sec 3 that requires a 2/3rds majority.

I used the Frazier decisions of 2002 and the 2006 to let them know that a new police station and a new parking garage are not &quot;ordinary and necessary&quot; on those case law examples and the latest decision handed down last Friday by the Supreme Court, Koch etal vs. Canyon County Commissioners granting citizens access to the courts on Art.8 sec 3.  They were also put on notice that I wanted to know when they were headed to court for their judicial confirmaiton hearing as I intend to file a brief citing your cases as well as the requirements of Art.8 sec. 3.

These guys are hiding behind urban renewal law to get around the taxpayers.  Shame on these guys for not letting the voters weigh in on spending this kind of money!


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
I went to the Nampa Urban renewal board meeting today 1-29-2008 and guess what?  The board consisted of 4 city council members, one county commissioner and a couple of other guys from the community at large.  They say they are not subject to the Idhao Consititution and are therefore exempt from Art.8 sec 3 that requires a 2/3rds majority.</p>
<p>I used the Frazier decisions of 2002 and the 2006 to let them know that a new police station and a new parking garage are not &#8220;ordinary and necessary&#8221; on those case law examples and the latest decision handed down last Friday by the Supreme Court, Koch etal vs. Canyon County Commissioners granting citizens access to the courts on Art.8 sec 3.  They were also put on notice that I wanted to know when they were headed to court for their judicial confirmaiton hearing as I intend to file a brief citing your cases as well as the requirements of Art.8 sec. 3.</p>
<p>These guys are hiding behind urban renewal law to get around the taxpayers.  Shame on these guys for not letting the voters weigh in on spending this kind of money!</p>
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		By: James Bond		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7500</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I personally want to commend you on this cause you have taken up.  You are 100% correct, and these local entities are suckers, being manipulated by Rasputin-like lobbyists and others from which elected officials often seek approval and friendship.

I have long been very troubled by this issue, but I have always felt that the courts would do the right thing, which has been the case for the most part.  Yet, the growing evidence seems to be that the local officials and their lobbyists are undeterred and will still seek ways around clear law.  It&#039;s pretty maddening.  It may be time again for a Ron Rankin-like crusader to take up this cause and ratchet up the heat even more by using the Initiative process in a way that actually might make it even more clear to these yahoos.

At some point, any lawyers they have that are helping them in these efforts should face bar sanction, and the bigger issue is using taxpayer money for private gain, which is a crime in many instances and should be in all instances.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally want to commend you on this cause you have taken up.  You are 100% correct, and these local entities are suckers, being manipulated by Rasputin-like lobbyists and others from which elected officials often seek approval and friendship.</p>
<p>I have long been very troubled by this issue, but I have always felt that the courts would do the right thing, which has been the case for the most part.  Yet, the growing evidence seems to be that the local officials and their lobbyists are undeterred and will still seek ways around clear law.  It&#8217;s pretty maddening.  It may be time again for a Ron Rankin-like crusader to take up this cause and ratchet up the heat even more by using the Initiative process in a way that actually might make it even more clear to these yahoos.</p>
<p>At some point, any lawyers they have that are helping them in these efforts should face bar sanction, and the bigger issue is using taxpayer money for private gain, which is a crime in many instances and should be in all instances.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7499</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Guardian, you should start a cult of personality.

Is anyone surprised?  The pols know the know- nothing voters are an easy end run. They can just ignore the constitution. Look what they plan on doing with the constitutional water rights. They figure if Idahoans are the last big supporters of Bush, they will tolerate almost any kind of official corruption. Thats why they like to keep em stupid down on the farm.

I want a guardian bobblehead figure for my dashboard.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guardian, you should start a cult of personality.</p>
<p>Is anyone surprised?  The pols know the know- nothing voters are an easy end run. They can just ignore the constitution. Look what they plan on doing with the constitutional water rights. They figure if Idahoans are the last big supporters of Bush, they will tolerate almost any kind of official corruption. Thats why they like to keep em stupid down on the farm.</p>
<p>I want a guardian bobblehead figure for my dashboard.</p>
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		By: Sisyphus		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7498</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My gut reaction Dave is the bill will be DOA.  But I&#039;ll keep my eye on it.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gut reaction Dave is the bill will be DOA.  But I&#8217;ll keep my eye on it.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7497</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh Dave,  there won&#039; t be hundreds of trucks servicing the Airport freight hub because the city will have it&#039;s freight line out to the main tracks to handle it.(kidding-hopefully)

After reading this and the article regard the Nampa Urban renewal district,  it kind of makes you sick.  They are trying to find any loophole to spend our money.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Dave,  there won&#8217; t be hundreds of trucks servicing the Airport freight hub because the city will have it&#8217;s freight line out to the main tracks to handle it.(kidding-hopefully)</p>
<p>After reading this and the article regard the Nampa Urban renewal district,  it kind of makes you sick.  They are trying to find any loophole to spend our money.</p>
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		By: shealyisnottheantichrist		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7496</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once again, thanks for keeping your ear to the ground and giving us advance warning.

You should sell Boise Guardian t-shirts on your site.  If they move well, you could add capes for the complete Super Guardian look.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, thanks for keeping your ear to the ground and giving us advance warning.</p>
<p>You should sell Boise Guardian t-shirts on your site.  If they move well, you could add capes for the complete Super Guardian look.</p>
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		By: CYCLOPS		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7495</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jon, I don&#039;t disagree with your point. My position is simply that once you tell the &quot;good &#039;ol boys&quot; that those flat-landers are messing with the constitution and trying to go around the citizens, all hell breaks loose.(And Dave sues them and wins)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I don&#8217;t disagree with your point. My position is simply that once you tell the &#8220;good &#8216;ol boys&#8221; that those flat-landers are messing with the constitution and trying to go around the citizens, all hell breaks loose.(And Dave sues them and wins)</p>
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		By: Jon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclops, I&#039;ve lived in Idaho for 35 years, so I&#039;m well aware of the socio-political environment here.  As for your statement about Idaho &quot;good &#039;ol boys&quot; I&#039;ll leave most of that alone except to note that in practice it seems that the &quot;good &#039;ol boys&quot; have a very hard time distinguishing between fiscal responsibility and fiscal paralysis.

Dave, I hear what you are saying, but I just don&#039;t understand where you are going.  A constitutional amendment is an incredibly high bar to pass over.  So high, that most efforts die in their infancy.  The path that these groups are going down is the proper one and forces nothing on the people, since the people have the final say.

EDITOR NOTE--You are correct on the bar.  The move for amendment simply widens the gulf between citizens and government.  See today&#039;s STATESMAN &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.idahostatesman.com/westtv/story/279714.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.idahostatesman.com/westtv/story/279714.html&lt;/a&gt; on Nampa&#039;s plan to go around the voters.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclops, I&#8217;ve lived in Idaho for 35 years, so I&#8217;m well aware of the socio-political environment here.  As for your statement about Idaho &#8220;good &#8216;ol boys&#8221; I&#8217;ll leave most of that alone except to note that in practice it seems that the &#8220;good &#8216;ol boys&#8221; have a very hard time distinguishing between fiscal responsibility and fiscal paralysis.</p>
<p>Dave, I hear what you are saying, but I just don&#8217;t understand where you are going.  A constitutional amendment is an incredibly high bar to pass over.  So high, that most efforts die in their infancy.  The path that these groups are going down is the proper one and forces nothing on the people, since the people have the final say.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;You are correct on the bar.  The move for amendment simply widens the gulf between citizens and government.  See today&#8217;s STATESMAN <a href="http://www.idahostatesman.com/westtv/story/279714.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.idahostatesman.com/westtv/story/279714.html</a> on Nampa&#8217;s plan to go around the voters.</p>
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		By: eric		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/01/29/constitution-under-attack/#comment-7493</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t agree with the headline. The constitution allows for amendment and is therefore not under attack. That&#039;s the beauty of it. Perhaps &#039;Good Sense is Under Attack&quot; would be more accurate.

EDITOR NOTE--No argument from me.  My problem as I have said previously is I doubt there is a ground swell of demand or concern from citizens wishing to give up their right to vote on the items listed in Article VIII, Sec. 3.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with the headline. The constitution allows for amendment and is therefore not under attack. That&#8217;s the beauty of it. Perhaps &#8216;Good Sense is Under Attack&#8221; would be more accurate.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;No argument from me.  My problem as I have said previously is I doubt there is a ground swell of demand or concern from citizens wishing to give up their right to vote on the items listed in Article VIII, Sec. 3.</p>
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