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		By: TheOuthouseMouse		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/02/21/tamarack-not-our-fault/#comment-7597</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Wall Street Journal has an interesting article on this project in today&#039;s edition.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wall Street Journal has an interesting article on this project in today&#8217;s edition.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/02/21/tamarack-not-our-fault/#comment-7596</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What will happen to (sellers&#039;) real estate prices at Tamarack?

Obviously they will fall, but by how much?
And will the resort ever get built out now?

EDITOR NOTE--All our sources and recent news reports indicate the place is doomed and awaiting implosion.  Money is simply not available for such schemes.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will happen to (sellers&#8217;) real estate prices at Tamarack?</p>
<p>Obviously they will fall, but by how much?<br />
And will the resort ever get built out now?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;All our sources and recent news reports indicate the place is doomed and awaiting implosion.  Money is simply not available for such schemes.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder how the Agassi&#039;s Fairmont will fair without Bayview Financial being involved anymore.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the Agassi&#8217;s Fairmont will fair without Bayview Financial being involved anymore.</p>
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		By: inside		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/02/21/tamarack-not-our-fault/#comment-7594</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is more wrong with Tamerack than you can see or know. If the project was so good then getting a punny $116 million would not be a problem - other lenders would be happy to get in.

It is not the French banks that are the problem it is Tamerack itself. Like other &quot;developers&quot; or should we say &quot;con artists&quot; they sweet talk others (usually dumb locals) into thinking that they are so smart that they cannot fail. Then the locals give up the farm. Then the developers file Chapter 11 - let all the locals holding empty IOU&#039;s and then they launder a bunch of money and head out of the country.

Happens even with condo developers around town too  - just on a smaller scale.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is more wrong with Tamerack than you can see or know. If the project was so good then getting a punny $116 million would not be a problem &#8211; other lenders would be happy to get in.</p>
<p>It is not the French banks that are the problem it is Tamerack itself. Like other &#8220;developers&#8221; or should we say &#8220;con artists&#8221; they sweet talk others (usually dumb locals) into thinking that they are so smart that they cannot fail. Then the locals give up the farm. Then the developers file Chapter 11 &#8211; let all the locals holding empty IOU&#8217;s and then they launder a bunch of money and head out of the country.</p>
<p>Happens even with condo developers around town too  &#8211; just on a smaller scale.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/02/21/tamarack-not-our-fault/#comment-7593</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jean Pierre and his crew have been working on their projects in Valley County almost forever.  I believe the first time he went bankrupt the project was called &quot;Valbois&quot; or something like that. That must have been in the late 80&#039;s as I was working for a title company at the time and had much communication with the title company in Cascade. My friends in the business were 100% sure that the project would succeed, until it didn&#039;t.  It would be very interesting to see how many people got burned financially by that crew, this time around.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean Pierre and his crew have been working on their projects in Valley County almost forever.  I believe the first time he went bankrupt the project was called &#8220;Valbois&#8221; or something like that. That must have been in the late 80&#8217;s as I was working for a title company at the time and had much communication with the title company in Cascade. My friends in the business were 100% sure that the project would succeed, until it didn&#8217;t.  It would be very interesting to see how many people got burned financially by that crew, this time around.</p>
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		By: robert lilly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jean-Pierre should be recognized as a marketing genius. He is a foreign investor that took advantage of the US economy plus dumb-luck, to cause an absolute feeding frenzy for his real estate.

It appears the entire infrastructure was built with borrowed money while the $500 million or so profit is probably hiding in the Caymans. As far as the &quot;French Connection&quot;... the bank which withdrew its loan offer; this is just more mystery added to the plot that should be sold as a Hollywood blockbuster.

My opinion as to the future of Tamarack is this: The cash that was being thrown at them is coming to an end. There is no doubt &quot;a&quot; resort will be built, however I speculate the pie will be split up. The ski operations will be sold off, the golf course will be sold off, and the base area will be yet another separate entity. The losers will be all of those buyers who are left with real estate that is worth 50 cents on the dollar.

Tamarack has caused its problems all by themselves, and the common denominator has been greed. They failed to provide due diligence during construction causing EPA fines; they are being sued by a San Diego couple for a questionable real estate transaction, and they recently asked the State to back a sewer and water expansion project so they can profit from more real estate sales.

I&#039;m sure Tamarack owners would like you to believe everything is &quot;business as usual&quot;...that way no one will see them fleeing south on Hwy 55 with a French passport in hand.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean-Pierre should be recognized as a marketing genius. He is a foreign investor that took advantage of the US economy plus dumb-luck, to cause an absolute feeding frenzy for his real estate.</p>
<p>It appears the entire infrastructure was built with borrowed money while the $500 million or so profit is probably hiding in the Caymans. As far as the &#8220;French Connection&#8221;&#8230; the bank which withdrew its loan offer; this is just more mystery added to the plot that should be sold as a Hollywood blockbuster.</p>
<p>My opinion as to the future of Tamarack is this: The cash that was being thrown at them is coming to an end. There is no doubt &#8220;a&#8221; resort will be built, however I speculate the pie will be split up. The ski operations will be sold off, the golf course will be sold off, and the base area will be yet another separate entity. The losers will be all of those buyers who are left with real estate that is worth 50 cents on the dollar.</p>
<p>Tamarack has caused its problems all by themselves, and the common denominator has been greed. They failed to provide due diligence during construction causing EPA fines; they are being sued by a San Diego couple for a questionable real estate transaction, and they recently asked the State to back a sewer and water expansion project so they can profit from more real estate sales.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Tamarack owners would like you to believe everything is &#8220;business as usual&#8221;&#8230;that way no one will see them fleeing south on Hwy 55 with a French passport in hand.</p>
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		By: Anthony		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting about the rumor, Thanks to Clancy and Sisyphus I started to wonder what the parent holding companies financials were the year that they &quot;sold&quot; all of those cabins. I think I might have to do a little research of my own now and see who really owns the cabins and lots that were gone in the first few months before they were even built as I watched all over the news when I was living there. It does make me laugh though that here I live in the land of corruption and back door deals and I look upon my dear old Idaho and can&#039;t help but compare how it makes so much sense for the governor to have worked in D.C. for awhile, the former governor working up here now and oh yeah, they both worked deeply to get the first new ski resort in 20+ years open. Seems like the governor and federal cabinet secretaries brought good old D.C. deal making to Idaho. Where or where is Andrus when you need him?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting about the rumor, Thanks to Clancy and Sisyphus I started to wonder what the parent holding companies financials were the year that they &#8220;sold&#8221; all of those cabins. I think I might have to do a little research of my own now and see who really owns the cabins and lots that were gone in the first few months before they were even built as I watched all over the news when I was living there. It does make me laugh though that here I live in the land of corruption and back door deals and I look upon my dear old Idaho and can&#8217;t help but compare how it makes so much sense for the governor to have worked in D.C. for awhile, the former governor working up here now and oh yeah, they both worked deeply to get the first new ski resort in 20+ years open. Seems like the governor and federal cabinet secretaries brought good old D.C. deal making to Idaho. Where or where is Andrus when you need him?</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Look for more developer corporations in Idaho to start begging for special tax breaks and other public support.  Bryan&#039;s Run and Avimor will be looking for favors in the near future.

The real estate market is taking a dive, as lending dries up due to the cascading defaults throughout the financial world. Sub-Prime borrowers are being blamed, now, but the whole lending business is ripe for collapse.  Tamarack may have sold a bunch of lots . . . but how many are paid for?  How many of those deals will fall through because the buyers&#039; financing fails, too?

The past two years saw a lot of planned communities being proposed here in Idaho as out-of-state developers swooped in to profit from cheap Idaho land.  Local landowners and politicians climbed right into bed with them, and they have stomped all over locals who cried &quot;Too much, too fast!&quot;

I hope they all lose so much money they&#039;ll swear off mass development for the next 50 years, and leave us some open land.  Very soon it is going to be obvious we don&#039;t have enough real jobs (except construction), we don&#039;t have enough trade, we don&#039;t have enough water, and this ill-conceived rapid growth has poisoned the air.

Maybe the down-turn will buy us some time to start thinking rationally about how we want to live in the future, instead of just bending over for builders.

EDITOR NOTE--Spoken like a true growthophobe...welcome aboard!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look for more developer corporations in Idaho to start begging for special tax breaks and other public support.  Bryan&#8217;s Run and Avimor will be looking for favors in the near future.</p>
<p>The real estate market is taking a dive, as lending dries up due to the cascading defaults throughout the financial world. Sub-Prime borrowers are being blamed, now, but the whole lending business is ripe for collapse.  Tamarack may have sold a bunch of lots . . . but how many are paid for?  How many of those deals will fall through because the buyers&#8217; financing fails, too?</p>
<p>The past two years saw a lot of planned communities being proposed here in Idaho as out-of-state developers swooped in to profit from cheap Idaho land.  Local landowners and politicians climbed right into bed with them, and they have stomped all over locals who cried &#8220;Too much, too fast!&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope they all lose so much money they&#8217;ll swear off mass development for the next 50 years, and leave us some open land.  Very soon it is going to be obvious we don&#8217;t have enough real jobs (except construction), we don&#8217;t have enough trade, we don&#8217;t have enough water, and this ill-conceived rapid growth has poisoned the air.</p>
<p>Maybe the down-turn will buy us some time to start thinking rationally about how we want to live in the future, instead of just bending over for builders.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Spoken like a true growthophobe&#8230;welcome aboard!</p>
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		By: Taxed Out!		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When do we start hearing proposals for more government aid for Tamawreck? Never, I hope.

EDITOR NOTE--There is a plan in the works to make 18 square miles of public land available to them through some intergovernmental trades with the U.S. Forest service and state land board.

Tamarack is to pay the USFS about $1.6 million for an environmental statement, but probably won&#039;t do it soon.  The state land board is looking at a &quot;business plan,&quot; but they are not seeking any proposals outside Tamarack at present.  This needs to be opened up to all comers, not handled as an insider trade.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When do we start hearing proposals for more government aid for Tamawreck? Never, I hope.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;There is a plan in the works to make 18 square miles of public land available to them through some intergovernmental trades with the U.S. Forest service and state land board.</p>
<p>Tamarack is to pay the USFS about $1.6 million for an environmental statement, but probably won&#8217;t do it soon.  The state land board is looking at a &#8220;business plan,&#8221; but they are not seeking any proposals outside Tamarack at present.  This needs to be opened up to all comers, not handled as an insider trade.</p>
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		By: Sisyphus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent write up Randy.  Anthony, the rumor on the street was and is that Tamarack, or entities controlled or influenced by them, actually bought much of that property so they could tout the &quot;record&quot; sales and help create a feeding frenzy so that people will be excited to purchase the resale of those properties.  I would think that the paper generated by those sales would also be useful to show to lenders to induce them to issue a line of credit.  But I must emphasize that this is only rumor. I have no evidence of this other than what&#039;s been printed. Since they are in the speculation business I figured I could be as well. I do have a contractor client who stated that the place has been a &quot;ghost town&quot; this winter.  By that he means that there is very little work for him.  He&#039;s actually been commuting to Park City to get revenue.  I also have a developer buddy who pursuaded me long ago that the venture couldn&#039;t work with the limited population base nearby among the factors cited.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent write up Randy.  Anthony, the rumor on the street was and is that Tamarack, or entities controlled or influenced by them, actually bought much of that property so they could tout the &#8220;record&#8221; sales and help create a feeding frenzy so that people will be excited to purchase the resale of those properties.  I would think that the paper generated by those sales would also be useful to show to lenders to induce them to issue a line of credit.  But I must emphasize that this is only rumor. I have no evidence of this other than what&#8217;s been printed. Since they are in the speculation business I figured I could be as well. I do have a contractor client who stated that the place has been a &#8220;ghost town&#8221; this winter.  By that he means that there is very little work for him.  He&#8217;s actually been commuting to Park City to get revenue.  I also have a developer buddy who pursuaded me long ago that the venture couldn&#8217;t work with the limited population base nearby among the factors cited.</p>
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