I’ve carried a 38 Wheel Gun loaded with +P Glaser Safety Slugs “forever”, and have never had to produce it, except when I had the misfortune of being in L.A. during the Rodney King Riots (And almost certainly wouldn’t be pecking this out today if I hadn’t had it), and another time when confronted by a wild dog up 8th Street (No, I didn’t shoot it).

“Palestinian terrorist opened fire at a central Jerusalem yeshiva late Thursday night, killing eight students and wounding 11 others, police and rescue officials said. …As security forces raced to the scene, the gunman fired round after round of ammunition into the library at the seminary, religious Zionism’s flagship institution…..”We heard shooting and knew that something had happened,” recounted Yitzhak Dadon, 40, who studies at the yeshiva. Dadon said he cocked his handgun and went up to the roof of the yeshiva, where he saw the terrorist spraying gunfire indiscriminately at the crowd inside. Dadon said he fired two bullets at the terrorist, who began to stumble.”

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1204546422275&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Note the important parts that apply to America. A gunman shot up a school, which would be a ‘gun free zone’ here. The campus security took time to arrive. A student intervened, shot the perp, stopping his fire and letting security arrive who finished the incident. Instead of 20 dead, an armed student stopped the deaths at 8.

So, of course, the lesson learned in America…NONE!

Strangely, that scares me more than anything else anyone has said.

Therein lies the real argument.”

You do realize that the ‘right’ as described by you does not appear in federal law until the 1930’s, about 140 years after the founders wrote it. The collective right was never discussed by the founders, was not envisioned by them and was a product of our law schools at the turn of the 20th century, a complete invention of revisionist law and history.

When you say ‘we don’t know how to read today’ you are really saying that the American education system has failed so many as to defy belief. What the Constitution says is clear, what the founders intended is also clear if one bothers to read what they wrote. What the courts have written is also astoundingly clear. To say one doesn’t understand it is to say more about your research than the intent of the founders. I recommend a quick read of Emmerson:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=5th&navby=docket&no=9910331cr0

You would find out exactly what the 2nd means and was meant to mean.

After all, these lovely ladies are alone and vulnerable in the wilderness, and could attract both two legged and 4 legged wolves as they empty trash at remote campsites. Would the senator deny these gallant public servants the “right to self protection?”

Truth is, the “certified law enforcement” rangers want to be the only Feds to carry guns.[/quote]

You skip the more basic question…does any level of government have the right to make any citizen unsafe to the point of injury or death? The answer, from this ‘gun nut’ is, of course, no.

Your second paragraph above is entertaining an marginally persuasive, if you forget about the very real examples of women raped and murdered in those parks.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3693/is_199607/ai_n8749751

http://www.fred.net/kathy/at/blade.html

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/mar/12us2.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286404,00.html

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/cary_stayner/index.html

Nope, no reason for women or anyone else to be armed in national parks, just like there is no need for anyone but the mass murders to be armed in our gun free zones…why, it might upset the left’s delicate feelings, and we wouldn’t like to do that.

For larger guns: Most newer guns have built in trigger locks (At least reminigton does). There are after market locks for those wich dont. Those who keep their guns safe in their home would be prone to use them. Those who dont keep their guns safe at home (where the risk is greater) wouldn’t keep their guns safe on the road anyway, locks or not. Restricting guns wont change that. Better education and better technology (in gun safes and trigger locks) will.
For handguns: There are gun safes of all types built for homes, cars and motorhomes that are small and designed for rapid access in a crisis.

So in both cases, your arguments don’t hold water (that gun locking technologies arnt available when on the road) .
So if you dont know what you are talking about, do your research before you speak.

http://www.hand-gun-safes.com/

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://elitetacticalsources.com/images/Linux%2520Site%2520-%2520Images/gun_sa5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.elitetacticalsources.com/gun_safes.htm&h=273&w=282&sz=18&hl=en&start=24&um=1&tbnid=Do-mbVX-P3PDbM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgun%2Bsafes%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Mr. Logic: Like other gun related crime, restricting guns wont prevent it. The honest people dont do that anyway, and the hoodlums (of all ages) dont care about any of the laws.

Dog,

In Yellowstone, the most dangerous thing to tourist will NEVER be guns, but them selves. Have you seen the yearly stats on buffalo/Bisen goring’s? More people die from that stupidity than in all of Ada and Canyon county from gun related deaths.