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		By: whidit		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/04/07/boise-refuses-voter-voice-in-funding/#comment-8012</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[When the parking garage was being built, I used the shuttle lot and rally got to like it. It was cheap and the service was fast. After the garage was finished, the city drove the business back to the garage by raising the rate and lowering the service on the shuttle lot. Understandable, they needed to fill the garage. Now that the garage is full, wouldn&#039;t it make sense to drop the shuttle prices back down?  Pick a price point that would balance the resources of the garage and the lot.

It would be unfortunate if the shuttle lot was deliberately underused to help make the case for a second garage.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the parking garage was being built, I used the shuttle lot and rally got to like it. It was cheap and the service was fast. After the garage was finished, the city drove the business back to the garage by raising the rate and lowering the service on the shuttle lot. Understandable, they needed to fill the garage. Now that the garage is full, wouldn&#8217;t it make sense to drop the shuttle prices back down?  Pick a price point that would balance the resources of the garage and the lot.</p>
<p>It would be unfortunate if the shuttle lot was deliberately underused to help make the case for a second garage.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; Let Team Dave eat his cake, after the citizens cut it.&quot;  When elected officials fear their constituents(vote), then they lack trust and should lose our respect.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Let Team Dave eat his cake, after the citizens cut it.&#8221;  When elected officials fear their constituents(vote), then they lack trust and should lose our respect.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/04/07/boise-refuses-voter-voice-in-funding/#comment-8010</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are falling into a trap with frieght hubs.  It is always in the interest of freight companies to make communties think they have a chance of being the next large frieght hub.  Every community they convince adds to the supply of freight destinations, and when supply increases in constant demand, prices decrease.  This allows freight companies to negotiate better deals at their existing freight hubs, leaving smaller communities with unsused, expensive and depreciaiting infrastructure.  Let&#039;s have contracts in place before any development to ensure the facilities will be used, and we are not just being a token in a bargaining game.

Why do we think Boise is an attarctive alternative for air freight versus these overused California hubs?  Does it make business sense to take frieght in plane destined for LA, land in Boise and put it on trucks?  At best Boise could be a feeder for Portland and Seattle, but with Diesel over $4 a gallon, no way will remote Boise be a freight hub.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are falling into a trap with frieght hubs.  It is always in the interest of freight companies to make communties think they have a chance of being the next large frieght hub.  Every community they convince adds to the supply of freight destinations, and when supply increases in constant demand, prices decrease.  This allows freight companies to negotiate better deals at their existing freight hubs, leaving smaller communities with unsused, expensive and depreciaiting infrastructure.  Let&#8217;s have contracts in place before any development to ensure the facilities will be used, and we are not just being a token in a bargaining game.</p>
<p>Why do we think Boise is an attarctive alternative for air freight versus these overused California hubs?  Does it make business sense to take frieght in plane destined for LA, land in Boise and put it on trucks?  At best Boise could be a feeder for Portland and Seattle, but with Diesel over $4 a gallon, no way will remote Boise be a freight hub.</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/04/07/boise-refuses-voter-voice-in-funding/#comment-8009</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod in SE Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some commenters seem to be conflating the two constitutional ammendments.  One would allow local option taxes (sales taxes - can you believe that?) and the other would allow local governments to borrow money without voter approval (sort of).  Neither was approved in the recent legislative session, but not because the state legislators want the people to have a voice (or control), but because of disagreements over how far to go with disenfranchising the voters.  We need to find ways to keep the legislature out of session.  If they are back on their plows and combines they can&#039;t screw thing up further.

The airport expansion is just another scam by the same people who keep telling us that more people in the valley, more traffic, and more air and water pollution are good things and will improve our quality of life.  They think we are stupid, and since we haven&#039;t offered much of a choice in recent mayoral and city council elections, maybe we are.  Last mayoral election we were offered a choice between a pro-growth guy and a pro-growth guy who wanted to give the cops more weapons to use against us.  It&#039;s a little discouraging.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some commenters seem to be conflating the two constitutional ammendments.  One would allow local option taxes (sales taxes &#8211; can you believe that?) and the other would allow local governments to borrow money without voter approval (sort of).  Neither was approved in the recent legislative session, but not because the state legislators want the people to have a voice (or control), but because of disagreements over how far to go with disenfranchising the voters.  We need to find ways to keep the legislature out of session.  If they are back on their plows and combines they can&#8217;t screw thing up further.</p>
<p>The airport expansion is just another scam by the same people who keep telling us that more people in the valley, more traffic, and more air and water pollution are good things and will improve our quality of life.  They think we are stupid, and since we haven&#8217;t offered much of a choice in recent mayoral and city council elections, maybe we are.  Last mayoral election we were offered a choice between a pro-growth guy and a pro-growth guy who wanted to give the cops more weapons to use against us.  It&#8217;s a little discouraging.</p>
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		By: dh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry folks but this whole scheme for a Regional Hub airport with multiple runways, terminals, overruns, parking lots and service/access roads is not a new idea.   As little respect as the currently elected public servants in Idaho, or their predecessors, deserve the &quot;Regional Hub&quot; concept for Boise &quot;International&quot; has been an on going conspiracy between the big money boys and whoever is in office at the time for at least twenty years that I know about.

Deals between the major and minor players (some of whom would probably surprise you)
have already been struck, money spent, and favors exchanged to further this proposed abomination to the valley.  You could compare it to all the new subdivisions that are surveyed, platted, and roads cut while the Temporary Use Permit (Note: NOT Zoning Change as that is usually too complex and expensive.) is still in litigation.

The current airport expansion round may have different low level mouth pieces championing the cause and trying to sell us peons another expensive and empty bill of goods but this smelly, parasite laden camel  stuck his nose under our tent flap years back.  Only the minor players in the public eye have changed.  The real beneficiaries of a huge airport expansion have slipped several of the smelly beasts in under previous administrations.  As has been so oft repeated here, follow the money.  The trail to the real opportunists has not changed.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry folks but this whole scheme for a Regional Hub airport with multiple runways, terminals, overruns, parking lots and service/access roads is not a new idea.   As little respect as the currently elected public servants in Idaho, or their predecessors, deserve the &#8220;Regional Hub&#8221; concept for Boise &#8220;International&#8221; has been an on going conspiracy between the big money boys and whoever is in office at the time for at least twenty years that I know about.</p>
<p>Deals between the major and minor players (some of whom would probably surprise you)<br />
have already been struck, money spent, and favors exchanged to further this proposed abomination to the valley.  You could compare it to all the new subdivisions that are surveyed, platted, and roads cut while the Temporary Use Permit (Note: NOT Zoning Change as that is usually too complex and expensive.) is still in litigation.</p>
<p>The current airport expansion round may have different low level mouth pieces championing the cause and trying to sell us peons another expensive and empty bill of goods but this smelly, parasite laden camel  stuck his nose under our tent flap years back.  Only the minor players in the public eye have changed.  The real beneficiaries of a huge airport expansion have slipped several of the smelly beasts in under previous administrations.  As has been so oft repeated here, follow the money.  The trail to the real opportunists has not changed.</p>
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		By: BoiseCitizen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BoiseCitizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They HAVE to build a new tower because with the expansion of the terminal the present tower cannot see the entire taxi way system. Just so you know.

EDITOR NOTE--Not to worry about a new tower.  How can you explain away another runway and the masterplan for the airport which includes a massive freight hub expansion?  Why not allow citizens to vote for a new parking garage which we need,  instead of denying them a chance to approve the facility?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They HAVE to build a new tower because with the expansion of the terminal the present tower cannot see the entire taxi way system. Just so you know.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Not to worry about a new tower.  How can you explain away another runway and the masterplan for the airport which includes a massive freight hub expansion?  Why not allow citizens to vote for a new parking garage which we need,  instead of denying them a chance to approve the facility?</p>
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		By: Perry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Too bad the voters re-elected these same idiots. Now they feel they are untouchable and you&#039;re going to get 4 more years of this &quot;secret agenda crap&quot;.

They don&#039;t seem to have the guts to just go to the voters - they think they can win with the politics at the state level.

Boise voters better wake up to this or before you all know it the constitution will get changed and you all will be seeing long term debt decided by 51%  - on 66.66%. Then it will be WAY TOO LATE.

If your legislator was for the constitutional amendment or wants to hand local option taxing to the cities and counties you better not re-elect them this year or you will literally pay for it.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad the voters re-elected these same idiots. Now they feel they are untouchable and you&#8217;re going to get 4 more years of this &#8220;secret agenda crap&#8221;.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t seem to have the guts to just go to the voters &#8211; they think they can win with the politics at the state level.</p>
<p>Boise voters better wake up to this or before you all know it the constitution will get changed and you all will be seeing long term debt decided by 51%  &#8211; on 66.66%. Then it will be WAY TOO LATE.</p>
<p>If your legislator was for the constitutional amendment or wants to hand local option taxing to the cities and counties you better not re-elect them this year or you will literally pay for it.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have Team Dave asked the Chinese if they would just buy and develop the new air hub? I see alot of potential business here in the Treasure Valley with the Chinese. Most Idahoans gave up on their downtowns and support of local merchants for cheap Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart. Perhaps we could be a huge air and trucking distribution hub for Wal-Mart. Think of all the jobs.
San Diego just sold a pier to the Chinese navy. We could one-up those Californicators and sell our airport and skies to the Chinese.  Boise would get another &quot;first&quot;. To heck with air quality, Chinas got a booming economy and growth at all cost mindset. Do they care about air quality, heck no. Should we?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have Team Dave asked the Chinese if they would just buy and develop the new air hub? I see alot of potential business here in the Treasure Valley with the Chinese. Most Idahoans gave up on their downtowns and support of local merchants for cheap Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart. Perhaps we could be a huge air and trucking distribution hub for Wal-Mart. Think of all the jobs.<br />
San Diego just sold a pier to the Chinese navy. We could one-up those Californicators and sell our airport and skies to the Chinese.  Boise would get another &#8220;first&#8221;. To heck with air quality, Chinas got a booming economy and growth at all cost mindset. Do they care about air quality, heck no. Should we?</p>
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		By: WTF?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WTF?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have my doubts about developers.  Guys like Peterson (The Pit), and Boesphlug (Sp?) (Tamarack) are stereotype reinforcers of an image that needs very little reinforcing.

Still, I have to allow that when in doubt, go to a pro.  It is better to go to a doctor if you are ill, or an attorney if you need legal advice, or a developer if you want to put houses on the back 40.  Developing is what developers are good at.  Its a risky business.  But, generally, they risk their own or their investor&#039;s money because that is the way to reap the big profit.

And then we have Boise City.  The mayor and city council consist of an attorney, a couple of economists, two cops, a small business owner, and a planner.  There is not a successful developer in the bunch.  Why they think they have the skill to successfully develop the airport, or anything else, is beyond me.

One thing is certain; they should not be trusted with public funds to do things that are clearly beyond their sphere or expertise.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have my doubts about developers.  Guys like Peterson (The Pit), and Boesphlug (Sp?) (Tamarack) are stereotype reinforcers of an image that needs very little reinforcing.</p>
<p>Still, I have to allow that when in doubt, go to a pro.  It is better to go to a doctor if you are ill, or an attorney if you need legal advice, or a developer if you want to put houses on the back 40.  Developing is what developers are good at.  Its a risky business.  But, generally, they risk their own or their investor&#8217;s money because that is the way to reap the big profit.</p>
<p>And then we have Boise City.  The mayor and city council consist of an attorney, a couple of economists, two cops, a small business owner, and a planner.  There is not a successful developer in the bunch.  Why they think they have the skill to successfully develop the airport, or anything else, is beyond me.</p>
<p>One thing is certain; they should not be trusted with public funds to do things that are clearly beyond their sphere or expertise.</p>
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		By: Wade		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Daily Paper, which remains oft-discussed, but never hyperlinked(http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/344849.html) indicates that &quot;airport likely will add surface parking in existing lots - a less than ideal solution&quot; and &quot;travelers prefer to park within walking distance.&quot;

If customers prefer X, but there&#039;s a limited supply &amp; no one can make more, then figure out a way to raise the price. You are starving for no reason.

Then:

1) My observation is the long-term lot is poorly designed &amp; hard to find find free spots in. This makes me favor the garage even though I needn&#039;t.
So, spend that cash to make it easier to find spots, reserving the existing garage.

2) I don&#039;t know how to get to the shuttle lot, nor what to expect, and I&#039;m not about to find out and miss my plane. Spend some cash to educate/direct travelers w/o causing them additional stress or delay. If you are really innovative about how you do this, I bet this makes a bigger commerce magazine splash than a bigger garage would...

To whom it may concern: I understand secret &quot;business of a bigger garage&quot; is probably so good that it&#039;s not worth taking either of my suggestions, but I sure would like to see them implemented. I&#039;m not part of 2/3 who&#039;d let you take out a loan for a bigger garage unless you tell me why it&#039;s really important, and have a different crystal ball than TJ has. And I&#039;m one of those who thinks parking at the airport should be better and wants (the tech, not the truck) industry to thrive in Boise!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Daily Paper, which remains oft-discussed, but never hyperlinked(<a href="http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/344849.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/344849.html</a>) indicates that &#8220;airport likely will add surface parking in existing lots &#8211; a less than ideal solution&#8221; and &#8220;travelers prefer to park within walking distance.&#8221;</p>
<p>If customers prefer X, but there&#8217;s a limited supply &#038; no one can make more, then figure out a way to raise the price. You are starving for no reason.</p>
<p>Then:</p>
<p>1) My observation is the long-term lot is poorly designed &#038; hard to find find free spots in. This makes me favor the garage even though I needn&#8217;t.<br />
So, spend that cash to make it easier to find spots, reserving the existing garage.</p>
<p>2) I don&#8217;t know how to get to the shuttle lot, nor what to expect, and I&#8217;m not about to find out and miss my plane. Spend some cash to educate/direct travelers w/o causing them additional stress or delay. If you are really innovative about how you do this, I bet this makes a bigger commerce magazine splash than a bigger garage would&#8230;</p>
<p>To whom it may concern: I understand secret &#8220;business of a bigger garage&#8221; is probably so good that it&#8217;s not worth taking either of my suggestions, but I sure would like to see them implemented. I&#8217;m not part of 2/3 who&#8217;d let you take out a loan for a bigger garage unless you tell me why it&#8217;s really important, and have a different crystal ball than TJ has. And I&#8217;m one of those who thinks parking at the airport should be better and wants (the tech, not the truck) industry to thrive in Boise!</p>
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