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		By: Boise Whiskey Tango		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/07/02/police-perform-poop-patrol/#comment-8711</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Granted, I didn&#039;t grow-up on a farm; but on my more-than-a-few visits to farms in Idaho, Wisconsin, California, New Jersey, Poland and Germany I don&#039;t remember even once seeing children playing in feces or the adults purposely lounging in it either.

Additionally, dog feces contain billions of coliform bacteria. These bacteria contaminate surface water when it is carried into the Boise River, creeks, and lakes via storm drains during storms.

That&#039;s generally not the case down on the farm.

There are alot of Apples and Oranges comparisons being made.

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Moreover, the problem of loose dogs in parks has more to do with Public Safety than just poop.

As the demographic of Boise continues to grow and shift, you&#039;ll continue to see an increase in &quot;macho&quot; dogs.

Do we wait until one rips the face off of a child (literally) playing at Camel&#039;s Back?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, I didn&#8217;t grow-up on a farm; but on my more-than-a-few visits to farms in Idaho, Wisconsin, California, New Jersey, Poland and Germany I don&#8217;t remember even once seeing children playing in feces or the adults purposely lounging in it either.</p>
<p>Additionally, dog feces contain billions of coliform bacteria. These bacteria contaminate surface water when it is carried into the Boise River, creeks, and lakes via storm drains during storms.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s generally not the case down on the farm.</p>
<p>There are alot of Apples and Oranges comparisons being made.</p>
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<p>Moreover, the problem of loose dogs in parks has more to do with Public Safety than just poop.</p>
<p>As the demographic of Boise continues to grow and shift, you&#8217;ll continue to see an increase in &#8220;macho&#8221; dogs.</p>
<p>Do we wait until one rips the face off of a child (literally) playing at Camel&#8217;s Back?</p>
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		By: Bob Blurton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gordon, you hit the nail on the head.

The city slicker types have been so removed from the natural environment for so long, that they actually believe millions of people living smashed together in giant cities is how things are supposed to be.

For a reality check on poop, read The Humanure Handbook, by Joseph Jenkins.

He is a consultant to city sewer districts worldwide and suggests that
***Fecophobia***
is one of the biggest problems in inustrial countries.

He asserts that it is sheer insanity to purify and pressurize water, then poop in it, then send it to a plant to have the poop removed, then landfilled, then repurify the water.

He says we need to shut down the sewers and collect the poop curbside just like other recycleables. The poop then could be used, after composting, to fertilize our crops.

Poop is not something only to be handled be trained men in spacesuits. It is a valuable resource that can help end our dependance on petroleum derived fertilizers.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon, you hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>The city slicker types have been so removed from the natural environment for so long, that they actually believe millions of people living smashed together in giant cities is how things are supposed to be.</p>
<p>For a reality check on poop, read The Humanure Handbook, by Joseph Jenkins.</p>
<p>He is a consultant to city sewer districts worldwide and suggests that<br />
***Fecophobia***<br />
is one of the biggest problems in inustrial countries.</p>
<p>He asserts that it is sheer insanity to purify and pressurize water, then poop in it, then send it to a plant to have the poop removed, then landfilled, then repurify the water.</p>
<p>He says we need to shut down the sewers and collect the poop curbside just like other recycleables. The poop then could be used, after composting, to fertilize our crops.</p>
<p>Poop is not something only to be handled be trained men in spacesuits. It is a valuable resource that can help end our dependance on petroleum derived fertilizers.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/07/02/police-perform-poop-patrol/#comment-8709</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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Back to the scoop on poop:

I find this all kind of amusing. I lived on a farm when I was a kid, worked on ranches in my late teens (and some beyond), and still spend a bit of time now and then around various kinds of animals.
Ya know what? The *all* poop! And that&#039;s been true for years.
And, yep, kids have been kids for years, too; they run and play and jump and fall -- sometimes landing in poop. They brush off what they can, and go back to running, playing, etc.
And us older folks walk through the corrals, barns, pastures, etc. (that&#039;s why some call us shit-kickers), and sometimes even we can trip and fall.
Ain&#039;t kilt me yet, I I&#039;ve never heard of any kid or adult getting sick, let alone dead, from falling in the wrong  place.
Yeah, it&#039;s unpleasant, and stinky, but dangerous? Doesn&#039;t seem to be.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the scoop on poop:</p>
<p>I find this all kind of amusing. I lived on a farm when I was a kid, worked on ranches in my late teens (and some beyond), and still spend a bit of time now and then around various kinds of animals.<br />
Ya know what? The *all* poop! And that&#8217;s been true for years.<br />
And, yep, kids have been kids for years, too; they run and play and jump and fall &#8212; sometimes landing in poop. They brush off what they can, and go back to running, playing, etc.<br />
And us older folks walk through the corrals, barns, pastures, etc. (that&#8217;s why some call us shit-kickers), and sometimes even we can trip and fall.<br />
Ain&#8217;t kilt me yet, I I&#8217;ve never heard of any kid or adult getting sick, let alone dead, from falling in the wrong  place.<br />
Yeah, it&#8217;s unpleasant, and stinky, but dangerous? Doesn&#8217;t seem to be.</p>
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		By: Boise Whiskey Tango		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/07/02/police-perform-poop-patrol/#comment-8708</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[Heavy Sigh...]

21 Comments about Dog Poop and Tailpipes, and 6 about a shadow government that at a minimum appears to be inept, and at worst a collection of quasi criminal organizations that are gentrifying, homogenizing, and dare I say - Kalifornicating - Boise.

It&#039;s no wonder the powers-that-be around here don&#039;t fear the citizenry.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Heavy Sigh&#8230;]</p>
<p>21 Comments about Dog Poop and Tailpipes, and 6 about a shadow government that at a minimum appears to be inept, and at worst a collection of quasi criminal organizations that are gentrifying, homogenizing, and dare I say &#8211; Kalifornicating &#8211; Boise.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder the powers-that-be around here don&#8217;t fear the citizenry.</p>
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		By: Bob Blurton		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/07/02/police-perform-poop-patrol/#comment-8707</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Short answer Cyclops... I read waaay tooo muuuch, and tend to remember a lot of it.

I have a friend that saves every article he ever read on his hard drive in literally hundreds of folders. I am not writing a book, I am just curious about the world at large, so will not need a bibliography cache.

There are a lot of things I can&#039;t find anymore because they have dissappeared behind internet news source paywalls.

My favorite vanished story came out in the LA Times when oil was about $45 per barrel. The highway folks down there said that &quot;even if all government money was shifted to road repair, we could not maintain a minimum level of service&quot;. The story was then echoed in the Seattle papers, and others across America.

So this makes me wonder why Butchy Boy thinks he&#039;s going to somehow make it happen at $145 dollars per barrel, or is he lying and buying a little time for himself...
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short answer Cyclops&#8230; I read waaay tooo muuuch, and tend to remember a lot of it.</p>
<p>I have a friend that saves every article he ever read on his hard drive in literally hundreds of folders. I am not writing a book, I am just curious about the world at large, so will not need a bibliography cache.</p>
<p>There are a lot of things I can&#8217;t find anymore because they have dissappeared behind internet news source paywalls.</p>
<p>My favorite vanished story came out in the LA Times when oil was about $45 per barrel. The highway folks down there said that &#8220;even if all government money was shifted to road repair, we could not maintain a minimum level of service&#8221;. The story was then echoed in the Seattle papers, and others across America.</p>
<p>So this makes me wonder why Butchy Boy thinks he&#8217;s going to somehow make it happen at $145 dollars per barrel, or is he lying and buying a little time for himself&#8230;</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob, I gotta tell you, I understand your concern, and I share your distaste for loud motorcycles(or any other vehicle). But if your only example of police being connected with the exhaust mfr&#039;s is you saw a couple of off duty officers driving loud motorcycles, you are going to have a real problem making your charge stick. each of the companies, and or after market mfrs. you referred to have no contact with line police officers. Sure, the department that they work for may have a motorcycle patrol division, but I believe they are among the most quiet vehicles on the road. I guess I am just having a tough time connecting the dots here.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I gotta tell you, I understand your concern, and I share your distaste for loud motorcycles(or any other vehicle). But if your only example of police being connected with the exhaust mfr&#8217;s is you saw a couple of off duty officers driving loud motorcycles, you are going to have a real problem making your charge stick. each of the companies, and or after market mfrs. you referred to have no contact with line police officers. Sure, the department that they work for may have a motorcycle patrol division, but I believe they are among the most quiet vehicles on the road. I guess I am just having a tough time connecting the dots here.</p>
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		By: Bob Blurton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding motorcycle mufflers and cops, here is what I remember.

The &#039;Specialty Equipment Market Association&#039;, which represents muffler manufacturers, donates to the country&#039;s police and sheriff organizations. I cannot find the article that exposed this, but I believe that was the issue.

Another thing is that most cops are military veterans and identify with the black leather clad biker set since a huge amount of vets tend to be of the biker lifestyle group.

I have attended functions where cops and sheriffs showed up off duty, ...and guess what? Several showed up on LOUD black motorcycles. I think cops ignore loud motorcycles intentionally.

To expand on my conversation with the desk officer, he also told me that it was hard to tell if a muffler was stock or not. This is nonsense since legal mufflers sport an EPA label stamped on the pipe. One can often guess that it is illegal due to the earsplitting noise that reverberates between buildings.

You can find out more about this at

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.shtml&lt;/a&gt;

Here is what NOISEOFF says...

The Money Trail

The largest manufacturers of motorcycles are Harley-Davidson Motor Company (H-D), Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda, and BMW. The largest manufacturers of aftermarket exhaust systems are Samson Motorcycle Products, Vance &amp; Hines, Yoshimura, D&amp;D, and Kerker.

The Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC), and Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) are industry trade groups representing manufacturers, dealers and installers.

They have lobbied against proposed noise-pollution ordinances in communities across America. SEMA created the &#039;Congressional Automotive Performance and Motorsports Caucus&#039; enlisting members of congress to support their agenda. They also enlist local motorcycle enthusiast clubs to lobby on their behalf on political issues that might affect their industry.

With increasing negative news stories and noise code legislation targeted at the motorcycle community, H-D discontinued manufacturing non street-legal exhaust pipes using the brand name &#039;Screamin&#039; Eagle.&#039;

Ken Schmidt, a former H-D executive once described the sound of his product in three words: &quot;Voice of God.&quot; He went on during a speech at a business conference, &quot;Noise is good. Noise is the foundation of your business.&quot; H-D had attempted to trademark the noise from its V-twin motorcycle engines.

Motorcycle riders join political action groups in an effort to combat increased legislation. These groups include the Motorcycle Riders Foundation, and American Motorcyclist Association (AMA). Another group calls itself ABATE, depending on the chapter, the acronym stands for &#039;American Brotherhood Aimed Towards Education&#039; or &#039;American Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments.&#039;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding motorcycle mufflers and cops, here is what I remember.</p>
<p>The &#8216;Specialty Equipment Market Association&#8217;, which represents muffler manufacturers, donates to the country&#8217;s police and sheriff organizations. I cannot find the article that exposed this, but I believe that was the issue.</p>
<p>Another thing is that most cops are military veterans and identify with the black leather clad biker set since a huge amount of vets tend to be of the biker lifestyle group.</p>
<p>I have attended functions where cops and sheriffs showed up off duty, &#8230;and guess what? Several showed up on LOUD black motorcycles. I think cops ignore loud motorcycles intentionally.</p>
<p>To expand on my conversation with the desk officer, he also told me that it was hard to tell if a muffler was stock or not. This is nonsense since legal mufflers sport an EPA label stamped on the pipe. One can often guess that it is illegal due to the earsplitting noise that reverberates between buildings.</p>
<p>You can find out more about this at</p>
<p><a href="http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.shtml</a></p>
<p>Here is what NOISEOFF says&#8230;</p>
<p>The Money Trail</p>
<p>The largest manufacturers of motorcycles are Harley-Davidson Motor Company (H-D), Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda, and BMW. The largest manufacturers of aftermarket exhaust systems are Samson Motorcycle Products, Vance &#038; Hines, Yoshimura, D&#038;D, and Kerker.</p>
<p>The Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC), and Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) are industry trade groups representing manufacturers, dealers and installers.</p>
<p>They have lobbied against proposed noise-pollution ordinances in communities across America. SEMA created the &#8216;Congressional Automotive Performance and Motorsports Caucus&#8217; enlisting members of congress to support their agenda. They also enlist local motorcycle enthusiast clubs to lobby on their behalf on political issues that might affect their industry.</p>
<p>With increasing negative news stories and noise code legislation targeted at the motorcycle community, H-D discontinued manufacturing non street-legal exhaust pipes using the brand name &#8216;Screamin&#8217; Eagle.&#8217;</p>
<p>Ken Schmidt, a former H-D executive once described the sound of his product in three words: &#8220;Voice of God.&#8221; He went on during a speech at a business conference, &#8220;Noise is good. Noise is the foundation of your business.&#8221; H-D had attempted to trademark the noise from its V-twin motorcycle engines.</p>
<p>Motorcycle riders join political action groups in an effort to combat increased legislation. These groups include the Motorcycle Riders Foundation, and American Motorcyclist Association (AMA). Another group calls itself ABATE, depending on the chapter, the acronym stands for &#8216;American Brotherhood Aimed Towards Education&#8217; or &#8216;American Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments.&#8217;</p>
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		By: Nemo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclops said &quot;By golly, I think Paul hit upon the answer! Let the police do what they are supposed to and spend their time getting the drunks off the roads. Then it becomes fairly simple. Get a DUI in Boise and you will spend your days picking up dog poop in the parks and the foothills.&quot;

and then :
&quot;Bob, I would be very interested what information you uncovered with regard to the cops and their direct relationship with motorcycle exhaust mfrs.
Would you share that information?&quot;

Wow, TWO posts I agree with (especially the first).

I am curious, doesnt boise have &quot;Meter Maid&quot; typs of officers (I have gotten a few parking tickets...) why cant they write citations for this as well?

Nemo



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclops said &#8220;By golly, I think Paul hit upon the answer! Let the police do what they are supposed to and spend their time getting the drunks off the roads. Then it becomes fairly simple. Get a DUI in Boise and you will spend your days picking up dog poop in the parks and the foothills.&#8221;</p>
<p>and then :<br />
&#8220;Bob, I would be very interested what information you uncovered with regard to the cops and their direct relationship with motorcycle exhaust mfrs.<br />
Would you share that information?&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, TWO posts I agree with (especially the first).</p>
<p>I am curious, doesnt boise have &#8220;Meter Maid&#8221; typs of officers (I have gotten a few parking tickets&#8230;) why cant they write citations for this as well?</p>
<p>Nemo</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob, I would be very interested what information you uncovered with regard to the cops and their direct relationship with motorcycle exhaust mfrs.
Would you share that information?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I would be very interested what information you uncovered with regard to the cops and their direct relationship with motorcycle exhaust mfrs.<br />
Would you share that information?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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All this got me to wondering: Do the two-legged cops (yeah, those guys) pick up after the four-legged cops (yeah, K-9 types)?

I get this weird mental image of Officer Fido chasing a bad guy who&#039;s trying to get away, while Officer Human runs along behind with a plastic bag inside-out over his hand.

OK, too far-fetched, but does Officer Human go back after bad guy is brought down, cuffed and in-car-cerated? Or do they hire another policeman to scout the trail for any official waste?

What happens if Officer Rover needs to squat while sniffing out drugs at at the airport or a school or wherever? Is he trained to use the restroom, or ...?

OK, it&#039;s late at night, and nothing new on here since last time I looked, so nothing else to play with. Guess I&#039;ll go have a drink.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this got me to wondering: Do the two-legged cops (yeah, those guys) pick up after the four-legged cops (yeah, K-9 types)?</p>
<p>I get this weird mental image of Officer Fido chasing a bad guy who&#8217;s trying to get away, while Officer Human runs along behind with a plastic bag inside-out over his hand.</p>
<p>OK, too far-fetched, but does Officer Human go back after bad guy is brought down, cuffed and in-car-cerated? Or do they hire another policeman to scout the trail for any official waste?</p>
<p>What happens if Officer Rover needs to squat while sniffing out drugs at at the airport or a school or wherever? Is he trained to use the restroom, or &#8230;?</p>
<p>OK, it&#8217;s late at night, and nothing new on here since last time I looked, so nothing else to play with. Guess I&#8217;ll go have a drink.</p>
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