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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/07/03/ethanol-spells-corny-economics/#comment-8903</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, for all you dig more oil folks.
Explain why Bush Corp. says the price of gas is a supply problem? I think I can buy all the $4.50/gal gas I want all day long. Seen gas lines? Seen ration cards?
Why are we exporting twice as much refined oil products this year as last year? Read about it in the Wall Street Journal.
Big oil wants us to pay what all other developed countries pay, and we should.
If you don&#039;t think solar energy is possible, go sit in your hot car.
Why is T. Boone Pickens promoting wind energy?
Electrical conservation puts energy on the grid faster and cheaper than any power source ever invented.
Like Nukes? Check the bill per KWH from a nuke. Want to pay that bill?
If Nuke power is so good why is ID.Power not promoting it? They will buy and distribute it, but no ownership. Why is Id. Power investing millions in energy efficient lighting?
Blame the enviros? Try living in China where we have shifted our pollution. They make what we want cheap.

When people stop smoking the same crack as Rush Limbaugh and open a book, and minds, we might get somewhere as a nation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, for all you dig more oil folks.<br />
Explain why Bush Corp. says the price of gas is a supply problem? I think I can buy all the $4.50/gal gas I want all day long. Seen gas lines? Seen ration cards?<br />
Why are we exporting twice as much refined oil products this year as last year? Read about it in the Wall Street Journal.<br />
Big oil wants us to pay what all other developed countries pay, and we should.<br />
If you don&#8217;t think solar energy is possible, go sit in your hot car.<br />
Why is T. Boone Pickens promoting wind energy?<br />
Electrical conservation puts energy on the grid faster and cheaper than any power source ever invented.<br />
Like Nukes? Check the bill per KWH from a nuke. Want to pay that bill?<br />
If Nuke power is so good why is ID.Power not promoting it? They will buy and distribute it, but no ownership. Why is Id. Power investing millions in energy efficient lighting?<br />
Blame the enviros? Try living in China where we have shifted our pollution. They make what we want cheap.</p>
<p>When people stop smoking the same crack as Rush Limbaugh and open a book, and minds, we might get somewhere as a nation.</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So JimV I will assume that you want to develop rail lines INSTEAD of fixing roads, because we can&#039;t do both with the same amount of money! Or, are you possibly suggesting that the road, gasoline and all the other transportation based taxes be DOUBLED to feed your light rail system? Good luck with that, but I would suggest you not buy your jelly beans by the pound!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So JimV I will assume that you want to develop rail lines INSTEAD of fixing roads, because we can&#8217;t do both with the same amount of money! Or, are you possibly suggesting that the road, gasoline and all the other transportation based taxes be DOUBLED to feed your light rail system? Good luck with that, but I would suggest you not buy your jelly beans by the pound!</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found out that Phillip 66 does not have ethanol, yet
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found out that Phillip 66 does not have ethanol, yet</p>
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		By: Boise Whiskey Tango		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the Small (tiny, even) Steps Department...

- - It would seem to me that the hydraulics of the Boise River would be enough to drive a small turbine (that could be installed at the Americana Boulevard diversion) and power the lights along the Greenbelt, or at least offset cost via co-generation.

- - The soon-to-be Whitewater Park could easily incorporate one also into the new construction.

- - Mandate through codification the inclusion of solar water heaters (or at least pre-heaters) in new construction.  Again... Paying to heat water in the SUMMER? IN A DESERT ? ! ? !

- - Make vehicle registration fees proportional to the strain said vehicle places on infrastructure and the environment.

- - Enforce existing &quot;Compact Car&quot; Parking Spaces to reward the conscientious.

- - Replace the monster V8s and SUVs used by the BPD (you can&#039;t outrun a radio), and the majority of wholly unnecessary SUVs used by various City, County and State employees with more efficient vehicles.

- - Fortunately I have have no first hand knowledge; but I&#039;m guessing the State Prison Kitchens produce enough waste veggie oil to fuel a couple/few diesel vehicles.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Small (tiny, even) Steps Department&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211; It would seem to me that the hydraulics of the Boise River would be enough to drive a small turbine (that could be installed at the Americana Boulevard diversion) and power the lights along the Greenbelt, or at least offset cost via co-generation.</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211; The soon-to-be Whitewater Park could easily incorporate one also into the new construction.</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211; Mandate through codification the inclusion of solar water heaters (or at least pre-heaters) in new construction.  Again&#8230; Paying to heat water in the SUMMER? IN A DESERT ? ! ? !</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211; Make vehicle registration fees proportional to the strain said vehicle places on infrastructure and the environment.</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211; Enforce existing &#8220;Compact Car&#8221; Parking Spaces to reward the conscientious.</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211; Replace the monster V8s and SUVs used by the BPD (you can&#8217;t outrun a radio), and the majority of wholly unnecessary SUVs used by various City, County and State employees with more efficient vehicles.</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211; Fortunately I have have no first hand knowledge; but I&#8217;m guessing the State Prison Kitchens produce enough waste veggie oil to fuel a couple/few diesel vehicles.</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob,  I understand the theory, I&#039;m just pointing out that we can&#039;t know everything for certain and that predictions aren&#039;t chiseled in stone.  I&#039;ll also bet there have been numberous widely varying predictions of peak oil and there is no way to tell which is the most accurate.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,  I understand the theory, I&#8217;m just pointing out that we can&#8217;t know everything for certain and that predictions aren&#8217;t chiseled in stone.  I&#8217;ll also bet there have been numberous widely varying predictions of peak oil and there is no way to tell which is the most accurate.</p>
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		By: Dr Savage		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well at least you don&#039;t have to smog-check your classic fuel hog. I just had to get my new 30 mpg toyota checked, go figure?  If you are going to whine about the cost to operate your &quot;classic&quot; then I suggest coming up with a new hobby. It is not your god given right to consume at the expense of others. It would be hysterical if you were a realtor who drives a government subsidized Hummer!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least you don&#8217;t have to smog-check your classic fuel hog. I just had to get my new 30 mpg toyota checked, go figure?  If you are going to whine about the cost to operate your &#8220;classic&#8221; then I suggest coming up with a new hobby. It is not your god given right to consume at the expense of others. It would be hysterical if you were a realtor who drives a government subsidized Hummer!</p>
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		By: JIMV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;JimV, just a quick question. Who pays for &quot;high speed rail everywhere&quot;?

The same folk who pay for roads, in the hundreds of billions each year...everyone.

The railroads were originally built as a land giveaway to the railroad countries. Taxpayers are already paying VAST sums for the road system. How is rail different? Heck, what about the old folk without kids who pay for junior&#039;s so called education? If something is seen to be in the public interest (even when it isn&#039;t in many cases) we throw taxpayer money at it. Why not something we can actually see and use.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;JimV, just a quick question. Who pays for &#8220;high speed rail everywhere&#8221;?</p>
<p>The same folk who pay for roads, in the hundreds of billions each year&#8230;everyone.</p>
<p>The railroads were originally built as a land giveaway to the railroad countries. Taxpayers are already paying VAST sums for the road system. How is rail different? Heck, what about the old folk without kids who pay for junior&#8217;s so called education? If something is seen to be in the public interest (even when it isn&#8217;t in many cases) we throw taxpayer money at it. Why not something we can actually see and use.</p>
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		By: Bob Blurton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rod,

Before dissecting &#039;Peak Oil Theory&#039;, which was proven in 1970 by naming that year as America&#039;s peak of oil production, you must actually know something about it.

But, if one is mortally afraid of science, this may not be possible.

You must also know that Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, many other magazines and a huge amount of investor newsletters are talking about Peak Oil and saying it is real, and it is here now.

The business community is being warned but not Joe Sixpack.

If you graph the volume of all worldwide discoveries (we do this using production reports), and then adjust across for known rate of usage (documentation from nations is available), you will find a bell shaped curve showing when peak oil will occur.

There is also the fact that if you graph worldwide usage; you find that it leveled off and peaked in 2005 and we have not beat that production figure since.

The world expert on Peak Oil, Professor Deffeyes of Princeton University, believes 2005 was the peak.

The only people disputing this and planting doubt are those trying to hide the fact that they knew all along; namely the politicians and the elite who control our media.

You can find a complete, easily understandable, short explanation of Peak Oil at…
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.energybulletin.net/primer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.energybulletin.net/primer&lt;/a&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,</p>
<p>Before dissecting &#8216;Peak Oil Theory&#8217;, which was proven in 1970 by naming that year as America&#8217;s peak of oil production, you must actually know something about it.</p>
<p>But, if one is mortally afraid of science, this may not be possible.</p>
<p>You must also know that Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, many other magazines and a huge amount of investor newsletters are talking about Peak Oil and saying it is real, and it is here now.</p>
<p>The business community is being warned but not Joe Sixpack.</p>
<p>If you graph the volume of all worldwide discoveries (we do this using production reports), and then adjust across for known rate of usage (documentation from nations is available), you will find a bell shaped curve showing when peak oil will occur.</p>
<p>There is also the fact that if you graph worldwide usage; you find that it leveled off and peaked in 2005 and we have not beat that production figure since.</p>
<p>The world expert on Peak Oil, Professor Deffeyes of Princeton University, believes 2005 was the peak.</p>
<p>The only people disputing this and planting doubt are those trying to hide the fact that they knew all along; namely the politicians and the elite who control our media.</p>
<p>You can find a complete, easily understandable, short explanation of Peak Oil at…<br />
<a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/primer" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybulletin.net/primer</a></p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/07/03/ethanol-spells-corny-economics/#comment-8750</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So where in Boise is anyone finding fuel without ethanol? I am looking for premium and my old standby (Chevron) just went to 10%
Surely somebody has come across stations that don&#039;t use ethanol yet?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where in Boise is anyone finding fuel without ethanol? I am looking for premium and my old standby (Chevron) just went to 10%<br />
Surely somebody has come across stations that don&#8217;t use ethanol yet?</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lots of talk about &quot;Peak Oil&quot;, but just how do you calculate that?

Well, first you have to estimate the reserves in each and every oil field, worldwide.  Lots of posibble sources for error in that estimate, some intentional.  You have to go back to the very first oil well, when records were poorly kept and estimates merely guesses.  And how do you account for yet to be discovered sources?

OK, then you have to estimate oil usage, starting from the very first barrel of oil, and estimate every year&#039;s usage up until now and then on into the future.  Any possible source of error here?  Any chance your estimate might be colored by your agenda?

Then you just calculate which year your data says is the year of peak oil.  Then it&#039;s all downhill from there.  What&#039;s the margin of error in that?  10 years?  20 years?  50 years?

Just remember, all these estimates and numbers are just stabs in the dark.  Some like to call them wild-a$$-guesses.  Nobody knows what will happen or when.  Nobody can predict the future.  So if anyone tells you they can - treat them like a snake-oil salesman.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of talk about &#8220;Peak Oil&#8221;, but just how do you calculate that?</p>
<p>Well, first you have to estimate the reserves in each and every oil field, worldwide.  Lots of posibble sources for error in that estimate, some intentional.  You have to go back to the very first oil well, when records were poorly kept and estimates merely guesses.  And how do you account for yet to be discovered sources?</p>
<p>OK, then you have to estimate oil usage, starting from the very first barrel of oil, and estimate every year&#8217;s usage up until now and then on into the future.  Any possible source of error here?  Any chance your estimate might be colored by your agenda?</p>
<p>Then you just calculate which year your data says is the year of peak oil.  Then it&#8217;s all downhill from there.  What&#8217;s the margin of error in that?  10 years?  20 years?  50 years?</p>
<p>Just remember, all these estimates and numbers are just stabs in the dark.  Some like to call them wild-a$$-guesses.  Nobody knows what will happen or when.  Nobody can predict the future.  So if anyone tells you they can &#8211; treat them like a snake-oil salesman.</p>
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