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		By: JIMV		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/08/25/just-a-few-coppers-are-everywhere/#comment-9332</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Folk do need to understand that these cameras, as well as the millions of surveilance cameras have had zero, as in no POSITIVE effect on crime in the UK. Violent crime is rising at close to double digit rates while it has dropped here. The things do serve as a nice tax source for the government. I prefer a real, live police officer over a camera and a command center any day. Local policing works, the ticket in the mail does not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folk do need to understand that these cameras, as well as the millions of surveilance cameras have had zero, as in no POSITIVE effect on crime in the UK. Violent crime is rising at close to double digit rates while it has dropped here. The things do serve as a nice tax source for the government. I prefer a real, live police officer over a camera and a command center any day. Local policing works, the ticket in the mail does not.</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/08/25/just-a-few-coppers-are-everywhere/#comment-9330</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod in SE Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert,

My blood pressure is just fine (110/68).   Thanks for your concern.

Read Tom Anderson&#039;s and Werner&#039;s comments.  I agree with them - and wouldn&#039;t trade freedom for safety.  At the national level some politicians are still trying to scare you into voting for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>My blood pressure is just fine (110/68).   Thanks for your concern.</p>
<p>Read Tom Anderson&#8217;s and Werner&#8217;s comments.  I agree with them &#8211; and wouldn&#8217;t trade freedom for safety.  At the national level some politicians are still trying to scare you into voting for them.</p>
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		By: Werner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/08/25/just-a-few-coppers-are-everywhere/#comment-9316</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Werner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Technology is great when its makes my life better not when it steals my privacy.  

Ft. Collins, CO has speed camera&#039;s and red light camera&#039;s set up all over town.  The trick there was to take your front license plate off your car to avoid big bro from identifying you (of course not having a front license plate is against the law too).  

I&#039;m sure the devils advocates out there will say &quot;gee, never break the law and you don&#039;t have to worry about it, think of the money saved, and we will be safer on the road.&quot;  For me this type of law enforcement is a slippery slope to a world none of us want to live in.  Eventually you trade your freedom for safety.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technology is great when its makes my life better not when it steals my privacy.  </p>
<p>Ft. Collins, CO has speed camera&#8217;s and red light camera&#8217;s set up all over town.  The trick there was to take your front license plate off your car to avoid big bro from identifying you (of course not having a front license plate is against the law too).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the devils advocates out there will say &#8220;gee, never break the law and you don&#8217;t have to worry about it, think of the money saved, and we will be safer on the road.&#8221;  For me this type of law enforcement is a slippery slope to a world none of us want to live in.  Eventually you trade your freedom for safety.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/08/25/just-a-few-coppers-are-everywhere/#comment-9312</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rod did you take your blood presure med&#039;s?
Bet if you were hit by some idiot on his cell phone that just ran the red light you&#039;d think a bit differnt. Hummm just re read your message. Naaa you wouldn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod did you take your blood presure med&#8217;s?<br />
Bet if you were hit by some idiot on his cell phone that just ran the red light you&#8217;d think a bit differnt. Hummm just re read your message. Naaa you wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/08/25/just-a-few-coppers-are-everywhere/#comment-9310</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And I thought Americans were the most frightend, paranoid people in the world.
All that security explains, to some extent, why the Brits go nuts on vacation. Read about the commercial Limer alcohol and sex binge parties in Spain and Greece. Emotional and social repression by society and government, brings on a host of social problems. Witness the Middle East, Salt Lake City, China.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I thought Americans were the most frightend, paranoid people in the world.<br />
All that security explains, to some extent, why the Brits go nuts on vacation. Read about the commercial Limer alcohol and sex binge parties in Spain and Greece. Emotional and social repression by society and government, brings on a host of social problems. Witness the Middle East, Salt Lake City, China.</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/08/25/just-a-few-coppers-are-everywhere/#comment-9302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod in SE Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And I thought WE lived in a police state.  That is horrible.  I won&#039;t be visiting the UK.

We need to take back the world from the busy-bodies, know-it-all&#039;s, religious wackos, bureaucrats, and politicians who have screwed it up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I thought WE lived in a police state.  That is horrible.  I won&#8217;t be visiting the UK.</p>
<p>We need to take back the world from the busy-bodies, know-it-all&#8217;s, religious wackos, bureaucrats, and politicians who have screwed it up.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/08/25/just-a-few-coppers-are-everywhere/#comment-9298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I for one I&#039;m in favor of that system. Police can&#039;t seem to stop these people so lets take another step. Get tough seems to be all they understand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one I&#8217;m in favor of that system. Police can&#8217;t seem to stop these people so lets take another step. Get tough seems to be all they understand.</p>
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		By: Tom Anderson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George Orwell, Big Brother is watching your house
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The Big Brother nightmare of George Orwell&#039;s 1984 has become a reality - in the shadow of the author&#039;s former London home.

It may have taken a little longer than he predicted, but Orwell&#039;s vision of a society where cameras and computers spy on every person&#039;s movements is now here.


According to the latest studies, Britain has a staggering 4.2million CCTV cameras - one for every 14 people in the country - and 20 per cent of cameras globally. It has been calculated that each person is caught on camera an average of 300 times daily.

Use of spy cameras in modern-day Britain is now a chilling mirror image of Orwell&#039;s fictional world, created in the post-war Forties in a fourth-floor flat overlooking Canonbury Square in Islington, North London.

On the wall outside his former residence - flat number 27B - where Orwell lived until his death in 1950, an historical plaque commemorates the anti-authoritarian author. And within 200 yards of the flat, there are 32 CCTV cameras, scanning every move. 

Orwell&#039;s view of the tree-filled gardens outside the flat is under 24-hour surveillance from two cameras perched on traffic lights.

The flat&#039;s rear windows are constantly viewed from two more security cameras outside a conference centre in Canonbury Place.

In a lane, just off the square, close to Orwell&#039;s favourite pub, the Compton Arms, a camera at the rear of a car dealership records every person entering or leaving the pub.

Within a 200-yard radius of the flat, there are another 28 CCTV cameras, together with hundreds of private, remote-controlled security cameras used to scrutinise visitors to homes, shops and offices.

The message is reminiscent of a 1949 poster to mark the launch of Orwell&#039;s 1984: &#039;Big Brother is Watching You&#039;. 

In the Shriji grocery store in Canonbury Place, three cameras focus on every person in the shop. Owner Minesh Amin explained: &#039;They are for our security and safety. Without them, people would steal from the shop. Although this is a nice area, there are always bad people who cause trouble by stealing.&#039;

Three doors away, in the dry-cleaning shop run by Malik Zafar, are another two CCTV cameras.

&#039;I need to know who is coming into my shop,&#039; explained Mr Zafar, who spent £400 on his security system.

This week, the Royal Academy of Engineering (RAE) produced a report highlighting the astonishing numbers of CCTV cameras in the country and warned how such &#039;Big Brother tactics&#039; could eventually put lives at risk.

The RAE report warned any security system was &#039;vulnerable to abuse, including bribery of staff and computer hackers gaining access to it&#039;. One of the report&#039;s authors, Professor Nigel Gilbert, claimed the numbers of CCTV cameras now being used is so vast that further installations should be stopped until the need for them is proven.

One fear is a nationwide standard for CCTV cameras which would make it possible for all information gathered by individual cameras to be shared - and accessed by anyone with the means to do so.

The RAE report follows a warning by the Government&#039;s Information Commissioner Richard Thomas that excessive use of CCTV and other information-gathering was &#039;creating a climate of suspicion&#039;.

Originally printed on Thisislondon, author unknown]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Orwell, Big Brother is watching your house<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
The Big Brother nightmare of George Orwell&#8217;s 1984 has become a reality &#8211; in the shadow of the author&#8217;s former London home.</p>
<p>It may have taken a little longer than he predicted, but Orwell&#8217;s vision of a society where cameras and computers spy on every person&#8217;s movements is now here.</p>
<p>According to the latest studies, Britain has a staggering 4.2million CCTV cameras &#8211; one for every 14 people in the country &#8211; and 20 per cent of cameras globally. It has been calculated that each person is caught on camera an average of 300 times daily.</p>
<p>Use of spy cameras in modern-day Britain is now a chilling mirror image of Orwell&#8217;s fictional world, created in the post-war Forties in a fourth-floor flat overlooking Canonbury Square in Islington, North London.</p>
<p>On the wall outside his former residence &#8211; flat number 27B &#8211; where Orwell lived until his death in 1950, an historical plaque commemorates the anti-authoritarian author. And within 200 yards of the flat, there are 32 CCTV cameras, scanning every move. </p>
<p>Orwell&#8217;s view of the tree-filled gardens outside the flat is under 24-hour surveillance from two cameras perched on traffic lights.</p>
<p>The flat&#8217;s rear windows are constantly viewed from two more security cameras outside a conference centre in Canonbury Place.</p>
<p>In a lane, just off the square, close to Orwell&#8217;s favourite pub, the Compton Arms, a camera at the rear of a car dealership records every person entering or leaving the pub.</p>
<p>Within a 200-yard radius of the flat, there are another 28 CCTV cameras, together with hundreds of private, remote-controlled security cameras used to scrutinise visitors to homes, shops and offices.</p>
<p>The message is reminiscent of a 1949 poster to mark the launch of Orwell&#8217;s 1984: &#8216;Big Brother is Watching You&#8217;. </p>
<p>In the Shriji grocery store in Canonbury Place, three cameras focus on every person in the shop. Owner Minesh Amin explained: &#8216;They are for our security and safety. Without them, people would steal from the shop. Although this is a nice area, there are always bad people who cause trouble by stealing.&#8217;</p>
<p>Three doors away, in the dry-cleaning shop run by Malik Zafar, are another two CCTV cameras.</p>
<p>&#8216;I need to know who is coming into my shop,&#8217; explained Mr Zafar, who spent £400 on his security system.</p>
<p>This week, the Royal Academy of Engineering (RAE) produced a report highlighting the astonishing numbers of CCTV cameras in the country and warned how such &#8216;Big Brother tactics&#8217; could eventually put lives at risk.</p>
<p>The RAE report warned any security system was &#8216;vulnerable to abuse, including bribery of staff and computer hackers gaining access to it&#8217;. One of the report&#8217;s authors, Professor Nigel Gilbert, claimed the numbers of CCTV cameras now being used is so vast that further installations should be stopped until the need for them is proven.</p>
<p>One fear is a nationwide standard for CCTV cameras which would make it possible for all information gathered by individual cameras to be shared &#8211; and accessed by anyone with the means to do so.</p>
<p>The RAE report follows a warning by the Government&#8217;s Information Commissioner Richard Thomas that excessive use of CCTV and other information-gathering was &#8216;creating a climate of suspicion&#8217;.</p>
<p>Originally printed on Thisislondon, author unknown</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some years ago, Phoenix installed cameras at traffic lights.
People cited for running a red light fought the charges, saying, maybe my car did it, but I wasn&#039;t driving. So cameras were readjusted to show driver as well as license-plate number.
Got lots photos of folks holding notebooks or whatever in front of their faces as they went by the lights.
Maybe headdresses like some of the Arab women have to wear would be fun.
Of course, one could simply obey the speed limits and stop for red lights, but what fun would there be in that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago, Phoenix installed cameras at traffic lights.<br />
People cited for running a red light fought the charges, saying, maybe my car did it, but I wasn&#8217;t driving. So cameras were readjusted to show driver as well as license-plate number.<br />
Got lots photos of folks holding notebooks or whatever in front of their faces as they went by the lights.<br />
Maybe headdresses like some of the Arab women have to wear would be fun.<br />
Of course, one could simply obey the speed limits and stop for red lights, but what fun would there be in that?</p>
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		By: Razzbar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Razzbar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This being the USA, the speed cameras will probably be outsourced to private contractors who would get a commission. That way any dude with a pair of chrome shades, a radar gun and a camera could become a Barney. There&#039;s probably some law on the books requiring the Barneys to be duly deputized, which they won&#039;t be. Then a class action lawsuit, and massive refunds will ensue. And guess who will pay for those refunds? Not Barney. 
File this under &quot;History of Honolulu&quot;. It happened.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This being the USA, the speed cameras will probably be outsourced to private contractors who would get a commission. That way any dude with a pair of chrome shades, a radar gun and a camera could become a Barney. There&#8217;s probably some law on the books requiring the Barneys to be duly deputized, which they won&#8217;t be. Then a class action lawsuit, and massive refunds will ensue. And guess who will pay for those refunds? Not Barney.<br />
File this under &#8220;History of Honolulu&#8221;. It happened.</p>
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