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		By: Boise Whiskey Tango		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/12/ada-commishes-vote-population-increase/#comment-9529</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boise Whiskey Tango]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Damn you Cyclops!

Now I&#039;m gonna have to get on the internet and order me some Junior&#039;s Cheesecake and Fox&#039;s U-Bet Chocolate Syrup (for Egg Creams).

Maybe some knish too.

And Canoli, and, and, and...

; )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn you Cyclops!</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m gonna have to get on the internet and order me some Junior&#8217;s Cheesecake and Fox&#8217;s U-Bet Chocolate Syrup (for Egg Creams).</p>
<p>Maybe some knish too.</p>
<p>And Canoli, and, and, and&#8230;</p>
<p>; )</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/12/ada-commishes-vote-population-increase/#comment-9519</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Besides, Brooklyn has no hurricanes and there is any, and I mean any, type food you desire 24/7.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, Brooklyn has no hurricanes and there is any, and I mean any, type food you desire 24/7.</p>
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		By: Sal		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/12/ada-commishes-vote-population-increase/#comment-9514</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[South America-bound escapees would however need to preview those areas there similar to what we have in Caldwell, Nampa, or wherever around here--lots of gang activity, drive-by shootings--before picking a spot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South America-bound escapees would however need to preview those areas there similar to what we have in Caldwell, Nampa, or wherever around here&#8211;lots of gang activity, drive-by shootings&#8211;before picking a spot.</p>
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		By: Boise Whiskey Tango		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/12/ada-commishes-vote-population-increase/#comment-9513</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boise Whiskey Tango]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sal, et al,

With the curve of the Earth, I&#039;m not certain South America IS further.

Especially since Barbados sits in the Atlantic off of Venezuela.

But, hey - Six of One, Half Dozen of The Other.

What&#039;s that?  HP laying off more people?  Micron telling tall tales? Rampant sprawl and rising crime?

If you listen closely, you can hear the sucking sound...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sal, et al,</p>
<p>With the curve of the Earth, I&#8217;m not certain South America IS further.</p>
<p>Especially since Barbados sits in the Atlantic off of Venezuela.</p>
<p>But, hey &#8211; Six of One, Half Dozen of The Other.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that?  HP laying off more people?  Micron telling tall tales? Rampant sprawl and rising crime?</p>
<p>If you listen closely, you can hear the sucking sound&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sal		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/12/ada-commishes-vote-population-increase/#comment-9508</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brooklyn or Barbados? 
Put even more distance between Boiseangeles and one&#039;s fed-up self--head for South America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooklyn or Barbados?<br />
Put even more distance between Boiseangeles and one&#8217;s fed-up self&#8211;head for South America.</p>
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		By: idagreen		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/12/ada-commishes-vote-population-increase/#comment-9501</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clippityclop, I agree that fiscal accountability is an important component of government oversight, in  any expenditure of tax money and application of public policy. I just don&#039;t think that Sharon has a community oriented philosophy, or the ability to work with others and actually make progress, not just generate conflict (though I feel that she has an exaggerated bum rap in that regard). It&#039;s just that we need more than a fiscal watchdog, we need leadership and a vision for what we want our communities to look like 20 and 50 years from now.

As I said, I don&#039;t know the details of this project, but will certainly find out more. And for Paul, I think he&#039;s done quite a bit in two short years, especially with the Open Space Task Force and working towards improved detox and mental health services in the county. I may not agree with all of his votes, but I know from working with him that Paul is the kind of person I want looking out for me on the County Commission, and he certainly needs no hand holding,(except maybe from his wife and kids). Now, I&#039;d take Sharon over Tillman, but not Paul.

Indeed, conditional use exceptions to comp plans are a joke, with little or no follow up enforcement. And, unfortunately, that seems to be a major part of approvals from both the County and the City.

Boise Picayune, I don&#039;t think everyone is apathetic, but rather just overwhelmed. Civic life has taken a back seat to so many other pursuits, many of us are simply out of practice. It&#039;s hard to keep all the fires on the radar at times, and easy to become discouraged and despondent. Lots of folks are active and engaged though, check out one of these county campaigns and you&#039;ll meet some active, positive citizens.

Clancy, you make some good points. I guess the drawback is that working for &quot;compromises and concessions&quot; can be viewed as weakness in leadership, as it&#039;s usually not dramatic or sexy.

Thank you all for your civil and interesting comments. Cheers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clippityclop, I agree that fiscal accountability is an important component of government oversight, in  any expenditure of tax money and application of public policy. I just don&#8217;t think that Sharon has a community oriented philosophy, or the ability to work with others and actually make progress, not just generate conflict (though I feel that she has an exaggerated bum rap in that regard). It&#8217;s just that we need more than a fiscal watchdog, we need leadership and a vision for what we want our communities to look like 20 and 50 years from now.</p>
<p>As I said, I don&#8217;t know the details of this project, but will certainly find out more. And for Paul, I think he&#8217;s done quite a bit in two short years, especially with the Open Space Task Force and working towards improved detox and mental health services in the county. I may not agree with all of his votes, but I know from working with him that Paul is the kind of person I want looking out for me on the County Commission, and he certainly needs no hand holding,(except maybe from his wife and kids). Now, I&#8217;d take Sharon over Tillman, but not Paul.</p>
<p>Indeed, conditional use exceptions to comp plans are a joke, with little or no follow up enforcement. And, unfortunately, that seems to be a major part of approvals from both the County and the City.</p>
<p>Boise Picayune, I don&#8217;t think everyone is apathetic, but rather just overwhelmed. Civic life has taken a back seat to so many other pursuits, many of us are simply out of practice. It&#8217;s hard to keep all the fires on the radar at times, and easy to become discouraged and despondent. Lots of folks are active and engaged though, check out one of these county campaigns and you&#8217;ll meet some active, positive citizens.</p>
<p>Clancy, you make some good points. I guess the drawback is that working for &#8220;compromises and concessions&#8221; can be viewed as weakness in leadership, as it&#8217;s usually not dramatic or sexy.</p>
<p>Thank you all for your civil and interesting comments. Cheers!</p>
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		By: Clippityclop		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/12/ada-commishes-vote-population-increase/#comment-9500</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clippityclop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clancy,

Rather than compromise, I&#039;d just be happy if the developers met the conditions of Ordinance 621 and the Commissioners upheld the law.  Is that so much to ask?  Apparently so, and that&#039;s why the current Commissioners need to go.

And I agree with Dog -- it ain&#039;t a free market economy here in the reddest of red states when the government (and the taxpayers) bail out business.  Frankly, I think this is the tip of the iceberg and things are going to get much worse.  Bailouts won&#039;t stave off a damn thing, and by entitling developments that don&#039;t stand a chance at self-sufficiency, regardless of these ridiculous, poorly enforced &#039;Conditions of Approval,&#039; the Commissioners are only making a bad problem worse.  

Just follow the law -- that&#039;s all I ask...  no need to concede anything.  In fact, amaze me, Commissioners, and show some stones and real leadership.  I&#039;m beginning to realize that with her keen understanding of County finance, Sharon will probably be the best man for the job.  Define irony.

Comments, Sharon?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clancy,</p>
<p>Rather than compromise, I&#8217;d just be happy if the developers met the conditions of Ordinance 621 and the Commissioners upheld the law.  Is that so much to ask?  Apparently so, and that&#8217;s why the current Commissioners need to go.</p>
<p>And I agree with Dog &#8212; it ain&#8217;t a free market economy here in the reddest of red states when the government (and the taxpayers) bail out business.  Frankly, I think this is the tip of the iceberg and things are going to get much worse.  Bailouts won&#8217;t stave off a damn thing, and by entitling developments that don&#8217;t stand a chance at self-sufficiency, regardless of these ridiculous, poorly enforced &#8216;Conditions of Approval,&#8217; the Commissioners are only making a bad problem worse.  </p>
<p>Just follow the law &#8212; that&#8217;s all I ask&#8230;  no need to concede anything.  In fact, amaze me, Commissioners, and show some stones and real leadership.  I&#8217;m beginning to realize that with her keen understanding of County finance, Sharon will probably be the best man for the job.  Define irony.</p>
<p>Comments, Sharon?</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/12/ada-commishes-vote-population-increase/#comment-9499</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now that the Republicans have Communized their holy grail, the &quot;free market economy&quot; by bailing out the huge investment banks and soon the insurance industry with tax dollars, throw the gates open. It might even be a twin development to the eyesore growing west of Mountain Home.
To heck with roads,and sidewalks, those folks will all have personal ATV&#039;s.
Editor, you forgot to mention the impact a development out there will have on all the &quot;Idaho sportsman&quot; who shoot at old refrigerators, TV&#039;s and other garbage they drag out there. Where are we going to shoot now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the Republicans have Communized their holy grail, the &#8220;free market economy&#8221; by bailing out the huge investment banks and soon the insurance industry with tax dollars, throw the gates open. It might even be a twin development to the eyesore growing west of Mountain Home.<br />
To heck with roads,and sidewalks, those folks will all have personal ATV&#8217;s.<br />
Editor, you forgot to mention the impact a development out there will have on all the &#8220;Idaho sportsman&#8221; who shoot at old refrigerators, TV&#8217;s and other garbage they drag out there. Where are we going to shoot now?</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looking at the givens regarding new developments.
1.  Developers are going to still do what they do best- Plan and market houses.
2.  Most housing developments have poor planning when meshing with current neighborhoods/cities.
3.  Growthophobes think most housing development is bad.  Reasons- Poor execution, drain on services and mild NIMBY attitudes.
4.  P&#038;Z&#039;s, cities and counties will continue to approve developments that meet current statutes and laws.


Why not come up with some solutions to live with those givens. Creating antagonistic situations never helps your cause.  Instead of always saying &quot;No more&quot;,  work for compromises and concessions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the givens regarding new developments.<br />
1.  Developers are going to still do what they do best- Plan and market houses.<br />
2.  Most housing developments have poor planning when meshing with current neighborhoods/cities.<br />
3.  Growthophobes think most housing development is bad.  Reasons- Poor execution, drain on services and mild NIMBY attitudes.<br />
4.  P&amp;Z&#8217;s, cities and counties will continue to approve developments that meet current statutes and laws.</p>
<p>Why not come up with some solutions to live with those givens. Creating antagonistic situations never helps your cause.  Instead of always saying &#8220;No more&#8221;,  work for compromises and concessions.</p>
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		By: Clippityclop		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clippityclop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Idagreen,
 
I disagree in your assessment of Sharon Ullman.  Fiscal responsibility has everything to do with controlling growth as the chief criticism of these planned communities is their failure to pay for themselves and the subsequent burden they will place on the taxpaying public -- this is the whole notion behind adequate public facilities and, ironically, Ordinance 621 which requires planned communities to pay for themselves.  Despite this ordinance, the economic shortfalls in these PC applications are glossed over by the sitting AC Commissioners, including Paul Woods.  The glossing over is done by encumbering a developer&#039;s new entitlement with &#039;Conditions of Approval.&#039;  These &#039;Conditions&#039; then beg the issue of enforcement, which is often woefully lacking due to time and effort.  Don&#039;t you think it makes far better sense to have a clean application in the first place?!  If only the Commissioners would make this the standard, there&#039;s no doubt in my mind that we would see worthy applications, a compliant development community and an unburdened taxpaying community.  

I&#039;m sorry, but despite the talk, Paul Woods has fallen short.  How has he distinguished himself in the past 2 years?  He&#039;s voted right along with Fred and Rick...  I realize that it takes a majority on the Commission to affect change, but he doesn&#039;t need another Commissioner holding has hand to do the right thing.  I&#039;m not so sure that the voting public should reward that lack of leadership and courage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idagreen,</p>
<p>I disagree in your assessment of Sharon Ullman.  Fiscal responsibility has everything to do with controlling growth as the chief criticism of these planned communities is their failure to pay for themselves and the subsequent burden they will place on the taxpaying public &#8212; this is the whole notion behind adequate public facilities and, ironically, Ordinance 621 which requires planned communities to pay for themselves.  Despite this ordinance, the economic shortfalls in these PC applications are glossed over by the sitting AC Commissioners, including Paul Woods.  The glossing over is done by encumbering a developer&#8217;s new entitlement with &#8216;Conditions of Approval.&#8217;  These &#8216;Conditions&#8217; then beg the issue of enforcement, which is often woefully lacking due to time and effort.  Don&#8217;t you think it makes far better sense to have a clean application in the first place?!  If only the Commissioners would make this the standard, there&#8217;s no doubt in my mind that we would see worthy applications, a compliant development community and an unburdened taxpaying community.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but despite the talk, Paul Woods has fallen short.  How has he distinguished himself in the past 2 years?  He&#8217;s voted right along with Fred and Rick&#8230;  I realize that it takes a majority on the Commission to affect change, but he doesn&#8217;t need another Commissioner holding has hand to do the right thing.  I&#8217;m not so sure that the voting public should reward that lack of leadership and courage.</p>
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