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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/22/docs-dont-own-land-they-offer-to-city/#comment-9631</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cynic, if the city is willing to MOVE the CCDC from downtown,(turning over all that income to the public tax roles) And then starting the proposed UDC in the west end development area, I would be all for that! Unfortunately, you and I know that will never happen!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynic, if the city is willing to MOVE the CCDC from downtown,(turning over all that income to the public tax roles) And then starting the proposed UDC in the west end development area, I would be all for that! Unfortunately, you and I know that will never happen!</p>
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		By: Super Cynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/22/docs-dont-own-land-they-offer-to-city/#comment-9629</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Super Cynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I continue to be amazed at the blatant contradiction put forth by our &quot;esteemed leaders.&quot;

Namely that, one, Boise is a tremendous place to move to, start a business, etc.  And, second, that businesses need to be subsidized through things like tax increment financing if we are ever to get the sort of development we want.

Those two concepts cannot simultaneously be true.

If Boise is such a great place to be, businesses should not have to be subsidized to move here.  In fact, they should be willing to pay extra for the opportunity.  Conversely, if we are convinced that we have to subsidize them to move and invest here, it must be because our leaders feel there is something inherently less desirable about the Boise Market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue to be amazed at the blatant contradiction put forth by our &#8220;esteemed leaders.&#8221;</p>
<p>Namely that, one, Boise is a tremendous place to move to, start a business, etc.  And, second, that businesses need to be subsidized through things like tax increment financing if we are ever to get the sort of development we want.</p>
<p>Those two concepts cannot simultaneously be true.</p>
<p>If Boise is such a great place to be, businesses should not have to be subsidized to move here.  In fact, they should be willing to pay extra for the opportunity.  Conversely, if we are convinced that we have to subsidize them to move and invest here, it must be because our leaders feel there is something inherently less desirable about the Boise Market.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/22/docs-dont-own-land-they-offer-to-city/#comment-9627</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...off the revenue stream that funds city services.&quot;

What about the revenue stream produced by west downtown properties that funds city services just about everywhere else EXCEPT west downtown?

For example,

ACHD: East Parkcenter Bridge, Maple Grove widening, Ustick widening, all done before the 30th extension which was first proposed 40 years ago.

Boise City: It&#039;s likely the Marianne Williams Park at Harris Ranch will be developed before the Esther Simplot Park.

This all goes back to the Broadway/Chinden connector which put the nail in Fairview/Main coffin. Ideally, since this was an ITD job, the State of Idaho should cough up some money for redevelopment of  west downtown.

Since that will never happen, a new URD is the only way to go. If it means sunsetting the central downtown URD, then I could agree to that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;off the revenue stream that funds city services.&#8221;</p>
<p>What about the revenue stream produced by west downtown properties that funds city services just about everywhere else EXCEPT west downtown?</p>
<p>For example,</p>
<p>ACHD: East Parkcenter Bridge, Maple Grove widening, Ustick widening, all done before the 30th extension which was first proposed 40 years ago.</p>
<p>Boise City: It&#8217;s likely the Marianne Williams Park at Harris Ranch will be developed before the Esther Simplot Park.</p>
<p>This all goes back to the Broadway/Chinden connector which put the nail in Fairview/Main coffin. Ideally, since this was an ITD job, the State of Idaho should cough up some money for redevelopment of  west downtown.</p>
<p>Since that will never happen, a new URD is the only way to go. If it means sunsetting the central downtown URD, then I could agree to that.</p>
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		By: The Boise Picayune		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/22/docs-dont-own-land-they-offer-to-city/#comment-9623</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Boise Picayune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, the CCDC plans to take over this area as part of the &quot;30th Street Plan&quot; with the tacit - if not overt - support of the Mayor and City Council.

&quot;Boise’s urban renewal agency took a first step toward publicly supported revitalization of the city’s 30th Street neighborhood, which spans west of downtown from State Street to the Boise River, by declaring it eligible for urban renewal at a meeting last week.

The Boise City Council plans to decide next month whether or not it will agree with the Capital City Development Corp.’s decision and to initiate planning to create an urban renewal district, which would allow CCDC to pay for infrastructure improvements and help finance development in the district with the tax revenues generated by rising property values.&quot;

The full article is available @ http://www.idahobusinessreview.com/archive.htm/2008/09/15/CCDC-opens-door-to-30th-Street-plan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the CCDC plans to take over this area as part of the &#8220;30th Street Plan&#8221; with the tacit &#8211; if not overt &#8211; support of the Mayor and City Council.</p>
<p>&#8220;Boise’s urban renewal agency took a first step toward publicly supported revitalization of the city’s 30th Street neighborhood, which spans west of downtown from State Street to the Boise River, by declaring it eligible for urban renewal at a meeting last week.</p>
<p>The Boise City Council plans to decide next month whether or not it will agree with the Capital City Development Corp.’s decision and to initiate planning to create an urban renewal district, which would allow CCDC to pay for infrastructure improvements and help finance development in the district with the tax revenues generated by rising property values.&#8221;</p>
<p>The full article is available @ <a href="http://www.idahobusinessreview.com/archive.htm/2008/09/15/CCDC-opens-door-to-30th-Street-plan" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.idahobusinessreview.com/archive.htm/2008/09/15/CCDC-opens-door-to-30th-Street-plan</a></p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the kind of blood and guts reporting that I like from the Guardian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the kind of blood and guts reporting that I like from the Guardian.</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/22/docs-dont-own-land-they-offer-to-city/#comment-9619</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is this true? Has the CCDC had their area of impact expanded? By what authority? was there public input?

EDITOR NOTE-- CCDC has not yet expanded, but Team Dave is eager to get the rest of the Valley off the revenue stream that funds city services.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this true? Has the CCDC had their area of impact expanded? By what authority? was there public input?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211; CCDC has not yet expanded, but Team Dave is eager to get the rest of the Valley off the revenue stream that funds city services.</p>
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		By: The Boise Picayune		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/22/docs-dont-own-land-they-offer-to-city/#comment-9612</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Boise Picayune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Considering that the 25th &#038; Fairview Area - from the existing &quot;Westside District&quot; to the old Bob Rice Ford Dealership - is soon to come under the jurisdiction of our beloved CCDC (new District Name unknown), I think it&#039;s a good guess that their &quot;Quasi Governmental Nature&quot; will be invoked as the cover and plausible deniability for a wide variety of shenanigans (Choo - Choooooooooooooooooo...!) involving this area.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that the 25th &amp; Fairview Area &#8211; from the existing &#8220;Westside District&#8221; to the old Bob Rice Ford Dealership &#8211; is soon to come under the jurisdiction of our beloved CCDC (new District Name unknown), I think it&#8217;s a good guess that their &#8220;Quasi Governmental Nature&#8221; will be invoked as the cover and plausible deniability for a wide variety of shenanigans (Choo &#8211; Choooooooooooooooooo&#8230;!) involving this area.</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/22/docs-dont-own-land-they-offer-to-city/#comment-9611</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, Cynic, it is OK with you that the mayor and 4 mmembers of the council &quot;trade&quot; a piece of property for two other pieces of property that the people trading the properties to the city don&#039;t own? Just how do the negotiations take place? 
&quot;OK, you buy the shooting range because we really shouldn&#039;t! Then we will trade you for the property we, I mean, the city owns at 25th. and Fairview for your hospital. Never mind that you haven&#039;t guaranteed there will BE an actual hospital there. We&#039;re OK with that! And we will throw in a piece of property out by the Outlet mall, that we don&#039;t own either. We will work out the details later. So, do we have a deal?&quot;
This whole scenario just plain stinks to high heaven!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Cynic, it is OK with you that the mayor and 4 mmembers of the council &#8220;trade&#8221; a piece of property for two other pieces of property that the people trading the properties to the city don&#8217;t own? Just how do the negotiations take place?<br />
&#8220;OK, you buy the shooting range because we really shouldn&#8217;t! Then we will trade you for the property we, I mean, the city owns at 25th. and Fairview for your hospital. Never mind that you haven&#8217;t guaranteed there will BE an actual hospital there. We&#8217;re OK with that! And we will throw in a piece of property out by the Outlet mall, that we don&#8217;t own either. We will work out the details later. So, do we have a deal?&#8221;<br />
This whole scenario just plain stinks to high heaven!</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoa nellies! You guys need to put this in perspective. On one hand, I agree, the City would do well to make dang sure their dealings are above board.

The fact remains, however, the Fairview/Main Corridor is an embarrassment. It&#039;s a run-down eyesore. It is not bringing in the tax revenue it should and could.

It is necessary and good in the long run, that block sized parcels of land in the Fairview/Main Corridor be reassembled from the small and virtually useless parcels that exist today.

For just once, could we look past the end of our noses and try some long term planning?

Legal technicalities aside, I don&#039;t see how we have lost anything in this deal. And yes, I read thru Ada Property records. All 3 of the involved properties are very difficult to value. They all have to be done via the income method, and what income are they currently bringing in? A big goose egg!

EDITOR NOTE--This isn&#039;t just a legal &quot;technicality.&quot;  It is about honest open government and not insider trades conducted in secret meetings (executive session).  NO one was made aware of the terms of the deal and there was no public discussion.  The deal would never have been consummated if REAL money were demanded.  This is far from a &quot;free market&quot; transaction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa nellies! You guys need to put this in perspective. On one hand, I agree, the City would do well to make dang sure their dealings are above board.</p>
<p>The fact remains, however, the Fairview/Main Corridor is an embarrassment. It&#8217;s a run-down eyesore. It is not bringing in the tax revenue it should and could.</p>
<p>It is necessary and good in the long run, that block sized parcels of land in the Fairview/Main Corridor be reassembled from the small and virtually useless parcels that exist today.</p>
<p>For just once, could we look past the end of our noses and try some long term planning?</p>
<p>Legal technicalities aside, I don&#8217;t see how we have lost anything in this deal. And yes, I read thru Ada Property records. All 3 of the involved properties are very difficult to value. They all have to be done via the income method, and what income are they currently bringing in? A big goose egg!</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;This isn&#8217;t just a legal &#8220;technicality.&#8221;  It is about honest open government and not insider trades conducted in secret meetings (executive session).  NO one was made aware of the terms of the deal and there was no public discussion.  The deal would never have been consummated if REAL money were demanded.  This is far from a &#8220;free market&#8221; transaction.</p>
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		By: Mr. Logic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Logic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like the G-Man missed a chance to turn a phrase on this one.  LOGICALLY whether it is stocks on Wall Street or real estate in Boise, it is nothing less than NAKED SHORT SELLING when you strike a deal to trade something you don&#039;t even own.  I predict this house of cards will soon collapse when the actual cash has to be paid to the Police Association.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the G-Man missed a chance to turn a phrase on this one.  LOGICALLY whether it is stocks on Wall Street or real estate in Boise, it is nothing less than NAKED SHORT SELLING when you strike a deal to trade something you don&#8217;t even own.  I predict this house of cards will soon collapse when the actual cash has to be paid to the Police Association.</p>
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