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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/09/mayor-hotline-nov-29-to-dec-5/#comment-10550</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although this thread is somewhat stale, and we&#039;re drifting a bit off-topic, I&#039;d like to reply to Serendipity&#039;s comment, as well.

As a dedicated transportation cyclist (but VERY occasional &quot;greenbelt&quot; cyclist), I can identify with your complaint.  Even more so as an occasional greenbelt walker.

Is there a law requiring cyclists to signal? I&#039;m not sure.  The City of Boise website has a &quot;courtesy and safety guideline&quot; that says: &quot;Bicyclists and skaters who wish to pass other users along the Greenbelt must notify others that they are passing, either verbally (example: &quot;passing on your left&quot;) or by other audible means (bell, horn, etc.).&quot;  Of course, unless there&#039;s a corresponding ordinance in the city code, it&#039;s whistlin&#039; in the wind.

My standard practice (when I&#039;m bicycling): I never &quot;zoom zoom&quot; to begin with; there&#039;s a place for that, but it is NOT the greenbelt.  (I&#039;ve feel disdain for the POSERS who do their Lance Armstrong impression on the greenbelt!) When I come up on somebody (you, maybe?), if you look like you&#039;re walking in a straight line, in the proper position on the path, and &quot;with purpose,&quot; I&#039;ll slowly pass without hollering.  Frankly, a verbal warning is just as likely to result in a close encounter as a silent passage, due to the element of surprise in either situation.  I also rationalize that a verbal warning in every situation would be akin to honking the horn on the road, every time we pass somebody.  And finally, I rationalize that nowadays, people on the greenbelt are as likely as not to have their iPod-plugs jammed in their ears, so they won&#039;t hear my warning anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this thread is somewhat stale, and we&#8217;re drifting a bit off-topic, I&#8217;d like to reply to Serendipity&#8217;s comment, as well.</p>
<p>As a dedicated transportation cyclist (but VERY occasional &#8220;greenbelt&#8221; cyclist), I can identify with your complaint.  Even more so as an occasional greenbelt walker.</p>
<p>Is there a law requiring cyclists to signal? I&#8217;m not sure.  The City of Boise website has a &#8220;courtesy and safety guideline&#8221; that says: &#8220;Bicyclists and skaters who wish to pass other users along the Greenbelt must notify others that they are passing, either verbally (example: &#8220;passing on your left&#8221;) or by other audible means (bell, horn, etc.).&#8221;  Of course, unless there&#8217;s a corresponding ordinance in the city code, it&#8217;s whistlin&#8217; in the wind.</p>
<p>My standard practice (when I&#8217;m bicycling): I never &#8220;zoom zoom&#8221; to begin with; there&#8217;s a place for that, but it is NOT the greenbelt.  (I&#8217;ve feel disdain for the POSERS who do their Lance Armstrong impression on the greenbelt!) When I come up on somebody (you, maybe?), if you look like you&#8217;re walking in a straight line, in the proper position on the path, and &#8220;with purpose,&#8221; I&#8217;ll slowly pass without hollering.  Frankly, a verbal warning is just as likely to result in a close encounter as a silent passage, due to the element of surprise in either situation.  I also rationalize that a verbal warning in every situation would be akin to honking the horn on the road, every time we pass somebody.  And finally, I rationalize that nowadays, people on the greenbelt are as likely as not to have their iPod-plugs jammed in their ears, so they won&#8217;t hear my warning anyway.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/09/mayor-hotline-nov-29-to-dec-5/#comment-10547</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Serendipity wrote &quot;... They should all be legally forced to have bike ringer signals on their bikes and thus able to use them in time to warn people ahead of them...&quot;

If I&#039;m not mistaken, there actually is a Boise City law requiring bells on all bicycles and that they be used when overtaking. I remember reading it, but I&#039;m too lazy to search for it again.

As usual, the problem is who is going to enforce it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serendipity wrote &#8220;&#8230; They should all be legally forced to have bike ringer signals on their bikes and thus able to use them in time to warn people ahead of them&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, there actually is a Boise City law requiring bells on all bicycles and that they be used when overtaking. I remember reading it, but I&#8217;m too lazy to search for it again.</p>
<p>As usual, the problem is who is going to enforce it?</p>
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		By: Serendipity		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/09/mayor-hotline-nov-29-to-dec-5/#comment-10534</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serendipity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bikers ueber alles. 
I have been walking on streets in BOI or over in Morrison Park when bikers came whizzing up behind me with no notice--if I had inadvertently moved left or right I&#039;d have been slammed. I am obviously an older person, that they could notice if they gave a damn about those with whom they are sharing a right of way, and also I can&#039;t hear them behind me. 

An old friend of mine once was hit by a no-warning biker and suffered nerve damage and dreadful pain for the rest of his life. 
This pedestrian peril from bikers is no joke. They should all be legally forced to have bike ringer signals on their bikes and thus able to use them in time to warn people ahead of them. (And I don&#039;t mean air horns--those should be outlawed.) 
I&#039;ve also noticed that most bikers I see coming up to crossings just hate using their brakes. They love to play chicken with oncoming cars.  
Overall, bikers in BOI are pretty arrogant. Eventually, after they maim enough people, they will get their legal comeuppances.
Perhaps my own survival in the parks can be supported by walking off the paved paths and instead tramping on the grass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikers ueber alles.<br />
I have been walking on streets in BOI or over in Morrison Park when bikers came whizzing up behind me with no notice&#8211;if I had inadvertently moved left or right I&#8217;d have been slammed. I am obviously an older person, that they could notice if they gave a damn about those with whom they are sharing a right of way, and also I can&#8217;t hear them behind me. </p>
<p>An old friend of mine once was hit by a no-warning biker and suffered nerve damage and dreadful pain for the rest of his life.<br />
This pedestrian peril from bikers is no joke. They should all be legally forced to have bike ringer signals on their bikes and thus able to use them in time to warn people ahead of them. (And I don&#8217;t mean air horns&#8211;those should be outlawed.)<br />
I&#8217;ve also noticed that most bikers I see coming up to crossings just hate using their brakes. They love to play chicken with oncoming cars.<br />
Overall, bikers in BOI are pretty arrogant. Eventually, after they maim enough people, they will get their legal comeuppances.<br />
Perhaps my own survival in the parks can be supported by walking off the paved paths and instead tramping on the grass.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/09/mayor-hotline-nov-29-to-dec-5/#comment-10511</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeanette Limbert whined about foothills leash laws: &quot;... you’re going to make me drive up even further...&quot;

This is ignorance on so many levels it defies the imagination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanette Limbert whined about foothills leash laws: &#8220;&#8230; you’re going to make me drive up even further&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This is ignorance on so many levels it defies the imagination.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/09/mayor-hotline-nov-29-to-dec-5/#comment-10510</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No doubt there&#039;s a lot of rude bikers. Run into them all the time in the foot hills and on the roads. But I find most dog owners are rude also. Geee maybe I&#039;m the only nice guy left!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt there&#8217;s a lot of rude bikers. Run into them all the time in the foot hills and on the roads. But I find most dog owners are rude also. Geee maybe I&#8217;m the only nice guy left!</p>
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		By: Tom Anderson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/09/mayor-hotline-nov-29-to-dec-5/#comment-10507</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bikeboy, and the case of the chased dog...

It seems every time I&#039;m out walking my dog, somebody&#039;s dog is out running around and ends up following us down the street with the owner yelling at the top of their lungs for their dog to come back. I usually just keep going and figure they can run down the street after us, instead of me stopping, if they are really interested in getting their dog back.

I think dogs in front yards unrestrained is a much bigger problem than up on the hiking trails.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikeboy, and the case of the chased dog&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems every time I&#8217;m out walking my dog, somebody&#8217;s dog is out running around and ends up following us down the street with the owner yelling at the top of their lungs for their dog to come back. I usually just keep going and figure they can run down the street after us, instead of me stopping, if they are really interested in getting their dog back.</p>
<p>I think dogs in front yards unrestrained is a much bigger problem than up on the hiking trails.</p>
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		By: Autumn Moone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Autumn Moone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I enjoy reading these, it really frustrates me that I have no idea what the resolution was.  How did they respond to the port-a-potties?  The deer on ParkCenter&#039;s Action taken was that they left a message.  Great that solves the problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I enjoy reading these, it really frustrates me that I have no idea what the resolution was.  How did they respond to the port-a-potties?  The deer on ParkCenter&#8217;s Action taken was that they left a message.  Great that solves the problem.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[hmmmmmm.... I am guessing that maybe the lady who complains about graffiti over by Hillside JH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmmmmm&#8230;. I am guessing that maybe the lady who complains about graffiti over by Hillside JH.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/09/mayor-hotline-nov-29-to-dec-5/#comment-10500</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t we all just practice a little more &quot;ediquettecy&quot;?  It begins with the mayor&#039;s hotline not hanging up on unhappy citizens!
(-;

When a bike rider chased Ms. Limbert&#039;s dog for a half-mile, was she being yanked at the end of the leash?  I&#039;m just curious because there IS a leash law in the city limits.  It&#039;s rather funny, in an ironic way, that she blames the bike rider for her puppy-dog running away.  (She&#039;d never see Puddles again if the same scenario took place in the foothills.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we all just practice a little more &#8220;ediquettecy&#8221;?  It begins with the mayor&#8217;s hotline not hanging up on unhappy citizens!<br />
(-;</p>
<p>When a bike rider chased Ms. Limbert&#8217;s dog for a half-mile, was she being yanked at the end of the leash?  I&#8217;m just curious because there IS a leash law in the city limits.  It&#8217;s rather funny, in an ironic way, that she blames the bike rider for her puppy-dog running away.  (She&#8217;d never see Puddles again if the same scenario took place in the foothills.)</p>
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