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		By: Nemo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/17/detox-deal-done-despite-dollar-drain/#comment-10624</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bikeboy, 

You have some valid oints, but that model is failing the rest of healthcare, why do we need to set this up for failue too?  

Besides  a simple look at a significant portion of these potential &quot;clients&quot; (or patients, or what ever PC name de jour) to see that is a dry rescource.  

And planning to fund it on money that simply isnt there is a losing proposition. In addition, how do you expect to get the information at the time of need. 

This isnt a facility like &quot;celebrity rehab&quot; on TV, this is NOT rehab... this is simply a medicaly monitored holding facility to mitigate risks of incarcerating those people while not overburdoning (and underneath that, spending even more $$) the hospitals in the area. 
Hopefully it will also be a method of introducing those same people into rescources forelevating their life to a better place...but if you look at other Detox centers success at this, that is a pipe dream. 

I&#039;m not against it, Im ALL for it...but we need to be realistic on what it is, and what it isnt... and fund accordingly and realistically.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikeboy, </p>
<p>You have some valid oints, but that model is failing the rest of healthcare, why do we need to set this up for failue too?  </p>
<p>Besides  a simple look at a significant portion of these potential &#8220;clients&#8221; (or patients, or what ever PC name de jour) to see that is a dry rescource.  </p>
<p>And planning to fund it on money that simply isnt there is a losing proposition. In addition, how do you expect to get the information at the time of need. </p>
<p>This isnt a facility like &#8220;celebrity rehab&#8221; on TV, this is NOT rehab&#8230; this is simply a medicaly monitored holding facility to mitigate risks of incarcerating those people while not overburdoning (and underneath that, spending even more $$) the hospitals in the area.<br />
Hopefully it will also be a method of introducing those same people into rescources forelevating their life to a better place&#8230;but if you look at other Detox centers success at this, that is a pipe dream. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against it, Im ALL for it&#8230;but we need to be realistic on what it is, and what it isnt&#8230; and fund accordingly and realistically.</p>
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		By: Tom Anderson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/17/detox-deal-done-despite-dollar-drain/#comment-10612</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This will free up more room in our prisons for POLITICIANS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will free up more room in our prisons for POLITICIANS.</p>
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		By: The Boise Picayune		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/17/detox-deal-done-despite-dollar-drain/#comment-10609</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Boise Picayune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More money is probably headed our way to help pay for this sort of thing...

http://theboisepicayune.blogspot.com/2008/12/calls-for-drug-law-reform-top-obama.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More money is probably headed our way to help pay for this sort of thing&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://theboisepicayune.blogspot.com/2008/12/calls-for-drug-law-reform-top-obama.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://theboisepicayune.blogspot.com/2008/12/calls-for-drug-law-reform-top-obama.html</a></p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/17/detox-deal-done-despite-dollar-drain/#comment-10608</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Bikeboy.  Make them submit financials like for college loans.  They can help pay based off a sliding scale.  I would also add that a yearly audit of the third party running this joint should be mandatory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bikeboy.  Make them submit financials like for college loans.  They can help pay based off a sliding scale.  I would also add that a yearly audit of the third party running this joint should be mandatory.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/17/detox-deal-done-despite-dollar-drain/#comment-10606</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The recipients of the services, and/or their families, should be expected to pay for services rendered, whenever feasible.  (Kinda like other forms of medical/mental health care.)  The taxpayers shouldn&#039;t have to foot the entire bill to run the place.  (Unless when I woke up this morning we all have an entitlement to free detox.)  Call me hard-hearted.  Or agree with me that taxpayers can&#039;t fill every citizen&#039;s every need.

In these parts, we like our healthcare facilities named after saints.  I propose &quot;St. David&#039;s SAM-HIC.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recipients of the services, and/or their families, should be expected to pay for services rendered, whenever feasible.  (Kinda like other forms of medical/mental health care.)  The taxpayers shouldn&#8217;t have to foot the entire bill to run the place.  (Unless when I woke up this morning we all have an entitlement to free detox.)  Call me hard-hearted.  Or agree with me that taxpayers can&#8217;t fill every citizen&#8217;s every need.</p>
<p>In these parts, we like our healthcare facilities named after saints.  I propose &#8220;St. David&#8217;s SAM-HIC.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/17/detox-deal-done-despite-dollar-drain/#comment-10597</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great idea! Sorely needed! However, it doesn&#039;t take a lot of money to draw a pretty picture. If it is OK with you, I will wait until I see the deposit slips from all these entities! Based on the prior relationships and agreements, I am sure you will understand my skepticism.  (remember the city-county shooting range.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea! Sorely needed! However, it doesn&#8217;t take a lot of money to draw a pretty picture. If it is OK with you, I will wait until I see the deposit slips from all these entities! Based on the prior relationships and agreements, I am sure you will understand my skepticism.  (remember the city-county shooting range.)</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/17/detox-deal-done-despite-dollar-drain/#comment-10596</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What to do? Put them in jail or prison or do we try to provide a second chance at a decent life.  

The legislature needs to fund detox and rehab as prison is the ultimate destination for people on drugs who commit crimes.  It just takes a lot of local frequent flyer visits to the local jails to end up in prison.  

Most of these people recognize they are hooked but can&#039;t seem to find a way out of the lifestyle.  I personally know two people who did more than a decade of time in the Idaho Prison system.  They got it together and are clean and sober. Just maybe this could have been done at a much lower cost to the taxpayers with a State rehab program.  Ten years of lock up time for two non-violent people seems excessive.  

It is easy to say lock people up and throw the key away.  Maturity and second chances at life need to be a reasoned option in certain instances it makes financial sense as well as a more humane approach to the problems of drug addiction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to do? Put them in jail or prison or do we try to provide a second chance at a decent life.  </p>
<p>The legislature needs to fund detox and rehab as prison is the ultimate destination for people on drugs who commit crimes.  It just takes a lot of local frequent flyer visits to the local jails to end up in prison.  </p>
<p>Most of these people recognize they are hooked but can&#8217;t seem to find a way out of the lifestyle.  I personally know two people who did more than a decade of time in the Idaho Prison system.  They got it together and are clean and sober. Just maybe this could have been done at a much lower cost to the taxpayers with a State rehab program.  Ten years of lock up time for two non-violent people seems excessive.  </p>
<p>It is easy to say lock people up and throw the key away.  Maturity and second chances at life need to be a reasoned option in certain instances it makes financial sense as well as a more humane approach to the problems of drug addiction.</p>
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		By: ericn1300		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/17/detox-deal-done-despite-dollar-drain/#comment-10595</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ericn1300]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Without a doubt this kind of facility has been long needed, this isn&#039;t Mayberry where Otis just checked himself in for the night, we have a real problem here that the legislature acknowledged but did nothing of real value to address it. I&#039;m glad to see the county and city moving forward towards the public good and maybe using the state legislation, and lack of funding, as grounds for reimbursement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without a doubt this kind of facility has been long needed, this isn&#8217;t Mayberry where Otis just checked himself in for the night, we have a real problem here that the legislature acknowledged but did nothing of real value to address it. I&#8217;m glad to see the county and city moving forward towards the public good and maybe using the state legislation, and lack of funding, as grounds for reimbursement.</p>
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