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		By: JIMV		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/23/ferdinand-plea-bargains-out-of-gun-charge/#comment-10751</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JIMV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chet, if you had ever lived any of that 60 years in NYC and taken a subway at 1AM you would either feel threatened or be so unaware as to be a danger to yourself and your fellow man.

Society&#039;s dangers are vastly older than folk suffering from BDS admit. Bush/Cheney had nothing to do with New York, Washington or Detroit murder rates in the 1970&#039;s and 1980&#039;s. They had no effect on Florida&#039;s out of control homicide and violent crime rates in the mid 1980&#039;s. The solution also had nothing to do with either politician but with cities and states deciding enough was enough and with the public demanding carry licenses. Do your history. Look at Florida before and after must issue concealed carry. Look at the UK before and after their absolute gun ban in 1997....their gun crime rate doubles and violent crime shot up several hundred percent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chet, if you had ever lived any of that 60 years in NYC and taken a subway at 1AM you would either feel threatened or be so unaware as to be a danger to yourself and your fellow man.</p>
<p>Society&#8217;s dangers are vastly older than folk suffering from BDS admit. Bush/Cheney had nothing to do with New York, Washington or Detroit murder rates in the 1970&#8217;s and 1980&#8217;s. They had no effect on Florida&#8217;s out of control homicide and violent crime rates in the mid 1980&#8217;s. The solution also had nothing to do with either politician but with cities and states deciding enough was enough and with the public demanding carry licenses. Do your history. Look at Florida before and after must issue concealed carry. Look at the UK before and after their absolute gun ban in 1997&#8230;.their gun crime rate doubles and violent crime shot up several hundred percent.</p>
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		By: chet		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/23/ferdinand-plea-bargains-out-of-gun-charge/#comment-10742</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You people who seem to be so afraid you&#039;re going to be &quot;attacked&quot; next time you go shopping at Dillards really, really, really need to move to a nice little cabin way up in the Canadian Rockies. Take all of the Dirty Harry movies with you and enjoy all that is left of your pathetic, paranoid lives.
  I&#039;ve lived more than 60 years in the USA and I&#039;ve never felt threatened. Anywhere. Bush/Cheney have done an excellent job on people like you and I&#039;m sure you worried sick that Obama is going to open the floodgates to all his terrorist brothers any day now. I think I&#039;ll let you do the worrying. Tomorrow morning I&#039;m going to Dillards to buy some new socks and then I&#039;m going skiing. I fully expect to make it home alive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people who seem to be so afraid you&#8217;re going to be &#8220;attacked&#8221; next time you go shopping at Dillards really, really, really need to move to a nice little cabin way up in the Canadian Rockies. Take all of the Dirty Harry movies with you and enjoy all that is left of your pathetic, paranoid lives.<br />
  I&#8217;ve lived more than 60 years in the USA and I&#8217;ve never felt threatened. Anywhere. Bush/Cheney have done an excellent job on people like you and I&#8217;m sure you worried sick that Obama is going to open the floodgates to all his terrorist brothers any day now. I think I&#8217;ll let you do the worrying. Tomorrow morning I&#8217;m going to Dillards to buy some new socks and then I&#8217;m going skiing. I fully expect to make it home alive.</p>
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		By: JIMV		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/23/ferdinand-plea-bargains-out-of-gun-charge/#comment-10737</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JIMV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And Dog, the law in question is dumber than either as it has no effect on security but does lead to nice crimes to prosecute. The only folk safer are the lawyers and legal professionals who make money on the process.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Dog, the law in question is dumber than either as it has no effect on security but does lead to nice crimes to prosecute. The only folk safer are the lawyers and legal professionals who make money on the process.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/23/ferdinand-plea-bargains-out-of-gun-charge/#comment-10729</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are you guys finished yet? One of those guys was dumb and one guy was dumber.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you guys finished yet? One of those guys was dumb and one guy was dumber.</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/23/ferdinand-plea-bargains-out-of-gun-charge/#comment-10689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TKC, I owe you an apology! I misread your comment and attributed the post to Ferdinand. So, in the place of #1 please insert, &quot;at least your not dumb enough to seek elected office&quot;.
Happy Holidays!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TKC, I owe you an apology! I misread your comment and attributed the post to Ferdinand. So, in the place of #1 please insert, &#8220;at least your not dumb enough to seek elected office&#8221;.<br />
Happy Holidays!</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2008/12/23/ferdinand-plea-bargains-out-of-gun-charge/#comment-10688</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TKC, In a previous life, I spent many years in Mountain Rescue. I have pulled way more body parts from airplane accidents in the mountains than I care to remember.
It became evident after a few years, that the deceased all had one thing in common. They, almost without exception, all were pilots with between 500 and 1000 hours.
It seems that between student and 500 hours, they were extremely careful due to fear. After 1000 hours, they were extremely careful due to respect. It was that &quot;magic&quot; number between 500 and 1000 when they became lazy and got burned.
I see no difference between flying an airplane and carrying concealed. There are no, nor should there be, any &quot;do-overs&quot;
I have to admit that I must give you credit for, #1 being an elected official that openly admits he reads the Guardian! #2 Having a certain level of &quot;cajones&quot; to state your defense in this forum. 
We ALL make mistakes! Having said that, if I were to &quot;forget&quot; I was carrying concealed, I would fully expect to forfeit my right to carry in the future. If the courts didn&#039;t take that right from me, I would take the &quot;privelege&quot; away from myself! Simply because I would have proven to myself that I was not capable of safely performing that &quot;right&quot;. 
I wish you well in the future, and I appreciate your response.
Jim Monihan
Boise, Idaho]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TKC, In a previous life, I spent many years in Mountain Rescue. I have pulled way more body parts from airplane accidents in the mountains than I care to remember.<br />
It became evident after a few years, that the deceased all had one thing in common. They, almost without exception, all were pilots with between 500 and 1000 hours.<br />
It seems that between student and 500 hours, they were extremely careful due to fear. After 1000 hours, they were extremely careful due to respect. It was that &#8220;magic&#8221; number between 500 and 1000 when they became lazy and got burned.<br />
I see no difference between flying an airplane and carrying concealed. There are no, nor should there be, any &#8220;do-overs&#8221;<br />
I have to admit that I must give you credit for, #1 being an elected official that openly admits he reads the Guardian! #2 Having a certain level of &#8220;cajones&#8221; to state your defense in this forum.<br />
We ALL make mistakes! Having said that, if I were to &#8220;forget&#8221; I was carrying concealed, I would fully expect to forfeit my right to carry in the future. If the courts didn&#8217;t take that right from me, I would take the &#8220;privelege&#8221; away from myself! Simply because I would have proven to myself that I was not capable of safely performing that &#8220;right&#8221;.<br />
I wish you well in the future, and I appreciate your response.<br />
Jim Monihan<br />
Boise, Idaho</p>
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		By: tkc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tkc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclops - just read your comment from 12/24 11:31pm...

Let me say first of all that my mistake was monumentally stupid, and should be (and was) heavily penalized.  But I&#039;d like to explain my circumstances in a bit more detail, (hopefully) to show that this was a one-time boo-boo and not the actions of someone for whom a lackadaisical attitude is the norm in regards to firearms.

I travel quite a bit.  I make sure my laptop bag&#039;s contents are security checkpoint friendly and make it a point to never modify said contents without some scrutiny.  The idea is that if I&#039;m in a hurry, I can pick up the bag containing all the things I need for work without checking, and be reasonably assured that I can walk through airport security without incident.

This process served me in good stead for some time, and I became less vigilant - more often than not, I would pick up the bag and run without checking.

A few weeks prior to the incident, I went on vacation and stayed in a remote cabin.  I brought a large bore revolver with me for a bit of extra protection from the worse case scenario (encounters with hostile people or animals, many minutes or hours from nearest law enforcement response).  I also brought my laptop on the trip.  The gun was in a separate bag.

When I left, the bag that I&#039;d originally had the gun in was full of wet clothes, so I unloaded the gun, wrapped up the loose ammo, put both inside a gun rug and jammed it in a deep inner pocket of my laptop bag.  In the back of my mind I remember thinking that I&#039;d just violated my own rule, but I was in a hurry and figured that I&#039;d remember.  I did not.

On the day of the incident, I left the house in a hurry and picked up the laptop bag without checking, just like I&#039;d done many times in the past.  The oversight cost me months of angst and nearly $5000 in fines and legal fees.

You guys tell me whether something similar could possibly happen to you.  I like to think that I&#039;m not generally inept - I know I&#039;m often in a hurry and prone to laziness, I made provisions to offset this, and it backfired on me because I failed to follow my own procedures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclops &#8211; just read your comment from 12/24 11:31pm&#8230;</p>
<p>Let me say first of all that my mistake was monumentally stupid, and should be (and was) heavily penalized.  But I&#8217;d like to explain my circumstances in a bit more detail, (hopefully) to show that this was a one-time boo-boo and not the actions of someone for whom a lackadaisical attitude is the norm in regards to firearms.</p>
<p>I travel quite a bit.  I make sure my laptop bag&#8217;s contents are security checkpoint friendly and make it a point to never modify said contents without some scrutiny.  The idea is that if I&#8217;m in a hurry, I can pick up the bag containing all the things I need for work without checking, and be reasonably assured that I can walk through airport security without incident.</p>
<p>This process served me in good stead for some time, and I became less vigilant &#8211; more often than not, I would pick up the bag and run without checking.</p>
<p>A few weeks prior to the incident, I went on vacation and stayed in a remote cabin.  I brought a large bore revolver with me for a bit of extra protection from the worse case scenario (encounters with hostile people or animals, many minutes or hours from nearest law enforcement response).  I also brought my laptop on the trip.  The gun was in a separate bag.</p>
<p>When I left, the bag that I&#8217;d originally had the gun in was full of wet clothes, so I unloaded the gun, wrapped up the loose ammo, put both inside a gun rug and jammed it in a deep inner pocket of my laptop bag.  In the back of my mind I remember thinking that I&#8217;d just violated my own rule, but I was in a hurry and figured that I&#8217;d remember.  I did not.</p>
<p>On the day of the incident, I left the house in a hurry and picked up the laptop bag without checking, just like I&#8217;d done many times in the past.  The oversight cost me months of angst and nearly $5000 in fines and legal fees.</p>
<p>You guys tell me whether something similar could possibly happen to you.  I like to think that I&#8217;m not generally inept &#8211; I know I&#8217;m often in a hurry and prone to laziness, I made provisions to offset this, and it backfired on me because I failed to follow my own procedures.</p>
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		By: tkc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tkc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JIMV - my misdemeanor conviction does not bar me from gun ownership - I was able to reclaim my pistol after the sentencing.

My understanding is that the charge is not firearm specific - someone who carries a knife with a too-long blade can be charged similarly, for example.

The form firearm purchasers fill out (ATF 4473, http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/) asks about felonies, not misdemeanors, so I should be able to buy a gun in the future.

I&#039;m not sure about concealed carry permits.  Not a big deal for me though, since I wouldn&#039;t be able to carry most of the time and I think if you&#039;re going to carry, you should make a habit of doing it as often as possible.

Having a concealed carry permit used to expedite NCIC checks when purchasing firearms, so that was a good reason to have one even if you don&#039;t plan to carry regularly.  I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s the case anymore, and the few times I&#039;ve purchased firearms in Idaho have been fast and trouble-free so I don&#039;t see a pressing need to apply for one.

Somewhat related topic - my attorney told me that in Idaho, it is legal to have a firearm in plain view inside the car without any permits.  However, if the gun is in the glove compartment or center console, for example, then it is considered &#039;concealed&#039;, and you would need a concealed carry permit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JIMV &#8211; my misdemeanor conviction does not bar me from gun ownership &#8211; I was able to reclaim my pistol after the sentencing.</p>
<p>My understanding is that the charge is not firearm specific &#8211; someone who carries a knife with a too-long blade can be charged similarly, for example.</p>
<p>The form firearm purchasers fill out (ATF 4473, <a href="http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/</a>) asks about felonies, not misdemeanors, so I should be able to buy a gun in the future.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about concealed carry permits.  Not a big deal for me though, since I wouldn&#8217;t be able to carry most of the time and I think if you&#8217;re going to carry, you should make a habit of doing it as often as possible.</p>
<p>Having a concealed carry permit used to expedite NCIC checks when purchasing firearms, so that was a good reason to have one even if you don&#8217;t plan to carry regularly.  I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s the case anymore, and the few times I&#8217;ve purchased firearms in Idaho have been fast and trouble-free so I don&#8217;t see a pressing need to apply for one.</p>
<p>Somewhat related topic &#8211; my attorney told me that in Idaho, it is legal to have a firearm in plain view inside the car without any permits.  However, if the gun is in the glove compartment or center console, for example, then it is considered &#8216;concealed&#8217;, and you would need a concealed carry permit.</p>
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		By: JIMV		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JIMV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 04:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can you find an example of an accidental discharge on a plane? I looked and couldn&#039;t. If such things simply do not happen, why prohibit?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you find an example of an accidental discharge on a plane? I looked and couldn&#8217;t. If such things simply do not happen, why prohibit?</p>
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		By: The Boise Picayune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Boise Picayune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Goldfinger, Smoldfinger...

Explosive decompression is indeed rare.  However, I wouldn&#039;t want to be on any aircraft where a firearm was accidentally discharged, regardless of my seat placement.

I tip my hat to you Sir, as you are apparently far braver and more trusting than I.

Regardless, all of this detracts from the conundrum(s) presented herein by the good and diligent Mr. Frazier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldfinger, Smoldfinger&#8230;</p>
<p>Explosive decompression is indeed rare.  However, I wouldn&#8217;t want to be on any aircraft where a firearm was accidentally discharged, regardless of my seat placement.</p>
<p>I tip my hat to you Sir, as you are apparently far braver and more trusting than I.</p>
<p>Regardless, all of this detracts from the conundrum(s) presented herein by the good and diligent Mr. Frazier.</p>
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