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		By: progrowth		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/01/02/new-voice-sounding-like-a-growthophobe/#comment-10976</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dog,

Obviously I am not talking about Avimor or Drycreek.  I agree with you that they are not sustainable but I am talking about the last two decade&#039;s growth in the Eagle, Kuna, and  Meridian area that has &quot;sustained&quot; itself very nicely.  They have their own schools, hospitals, and shopping districts.  They are not exactly the leeches on &quot;Old Boise&quot; that you make them out to be.  And have you ever heard of the &quot;tech&quot; industry maybe?  Although the industry is cyclical and not doing to well how much money has it pored into our economy and schools?  Maybe you should move back to Mayberry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dog,</p>
<p>Obviously I am not talking about Avimor or Drycreek.  I agree with you that they are not sustainable but I am talking about the last two decade&#8217;s growth in the Eagle, Kuna, and  Meridian area that has &#8220;sustained&#8221; itself very nicely.  They have their own schools, hospitals, and shopping districts.  They are not exactly the leeches on &#8220;Old Boise&#8221; that you make them out to be.  And have you ever heard of the &#8220;tech&#8221; industry maybe?  Although the industry is cyclical and not doing to well how much money has it pored into our economy and schools?  Maybe you should move back to Mayberry.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/01/02/new-voice-sounding-like-a-growthophobe/#comment-10958</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[progrowth, 
Are you talking about &quot;sustainable growth&quot; like out at Avimore and Drycreek developments?
Unless you live on another planet, the curent economy is not a result of sustainable growth. What part of sustainable growth around here am I missing? Perhaps you refer to &quot;sustainable development growth in Boise&quot; like the growth of cash in my wallet when I play cards in Vegas. ProGro, the fun, food and activities your sustainable growth has brought to Boise are closing everyday.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>progrowth,<br />
Are you talking about &#8220;sustainable growth&#8221; like out at Avimore and Drycreek developments?<br />
Unless you live on another planet, the curent economy is not a result of sustainable growth. What part of sustainable growth around here am I missing? Perhaps you refer to &#8220;sustainable development growth in Boise&#8221; like the growth of cash in my wallet when I play cards in Vegas. ProGro, the fun, food and activities your sustainable growth has brought to Boise are closing everyday.</p>
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		By: progrowth		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/01/02/new-voice-sounding-like-a-growthophobe/#comment-10942</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[progrowth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to let everyone know I work for one of the largest commercial developers in town. (You can all crucify me now)  I truly don’t understand why large portions of you all despise growth so much.  Boise is relatively a very small town.  A “half hour” to drive no way!!  Sustainable growth brings not only economic growth for all but also better education, food, fun, activities, and different cultures and races.  I think Boise’s growth has turned our potato farm town into a small metropolis for the good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let everyone know I work for one of the largest commercial developers in town. (You can all crucify me now)  I truly don’t understand why large portions of you all despise growth so much.  Boise is relatively a very small town.  A “half hour” to drive no way!!  Sustainable growth brings not only economic growth for all but also better education, food, fun, activities, and different cultures and races.  I think Boise’s growth has turned our potato farm town into a small metropolis for the good.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/01/02/new-voice-sounding-like-a-growthophobe/#comment-10924</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BC, So who do you want to pay for the mitigation of the likely mini superfund site under the Goodman Oil property. The City? The tax payers? Do you think a developer is going to pay for it? That&#039;s what will happen if the city takes it unless they decide to ignore it or look the other way.

EDITOR NOTE--...like they did when Van Waters and Rogers dumped all the chemicals under what is now the Town Square Mall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC, So who do you want to pay for the mitigation of the likely mini superfund site under the Goodman Oil property. The City? The tax payers? Do you think a developer is going to pay for it? That&#8217;s what will happen if the city takes it unless they decide to ignore it or look the other way.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;&#8230;like they did when Van Waters and Rogers dumped all the chemicals under what is now the Town Square Mall.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/01/02/new-voice-sounding-like-a-growthophobe/#comment-10913</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the rest of the comments directed at me:

I&#039;m glad The Egyptian was spared. However, doesn&#039;t it survive in part on charitable contributions?

Yes, The Grove Hotel is hideous and its setback on Front and Capital is criminal. It is still better than the dirt lot that used to be there.

The Hampton Inn is not nearly as hideous as The Grove, and it is still better than a dirt lot or a dilapidated warehouse, i.e., the area across 9th from Bodo.

Dog, I agree, &quot;old town areas&quot; are very popular and maintaining them is a legitimate concern for a city. The keyword is &quot;area.&quot; One stand alone building such as the Foster&#039;s Building does not make an Old Town District.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the rest of the comments directed at me:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad The Egyptian was spared. However, doesn&#8217;t it survive in part on charitable contributions?</p>
<p>Yes, The Grove Hotel is hideous and its setback on Front and Capital is criminal. It is still better than the dirt lot that used to be there.</p>
<p>The Hampton Inn is not nearly as hideous as The Grove, and it is still better than a dirt lot or a dilapidated warehouse, i.e., the area across 9th from Bodo.</p>
<p>Dog, I agree, &#8220;old town areas&#8221; are very popular and maintaining them is a legitimate concern for a city. The keyword is &#8220;area.&#8221; One stand alone building such as the Foster&#8217;s Building does not make an Old Town District.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/01/02/new-voice-sounding-like-a-growthophobe/#comment-10911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gordon wrote: &quot;Sorry, Cynic, but you’ve got it backwards. The Goodman Oil property and the Boise Junk House at 25th and Fairview are ones they did NOT tear down.&quot;

Yes, exactly, isn&#039;t that what I wrote, although admittedly somewhat awkwardly, I did not have it backwards. My point is, both the Boise Junk House and Goodman Oil, which are vacant eyesores, would have many more properties like them if not for BRA in the 60s. VACANT EYESORES that ARE NOT paying their fair share of property taxes, and isn&#039;t that this forums preeminent foucs? Fair taxes? 

Not only are they not paying their fair share, they are peventing surrounding properties from being developed into higher and better uses. That is to say, most developers know better than to try to make a silk purse out of a sow&#039;s ear of a neighborhood. 

This ought to get me flamed, but Eminent Domain should be used to take the Goodman Oil property. Yes, Eminent Domain may have been abused in the past, but now its become taboo. Too bad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon wrote: &#8220;Sorry, Cynic, but you’ve got it backwards. The Goodman Oil property and the Boise Junk House at 25th and Fairview are ones they did NOT tear down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, exactly, isn&#8217;t that what I wrote, although admittedly somewhat awkwardly, I did not have it backwards. My point is, both the Boise Junk House and Goodman Oil, which are vacant eyesores, would have many more properties like them if not for BRA in the 60s. VACANT EYESORES that ARE NOT paying their fair share of property taxes, and isn&#8217;t that this forums preeminent foucs? Fair taxes? </p>
<p>Not only are they not paying their fair share, they are peventing surrounding properties from being developed into higher and better uses. That is to say, most developers know better than to try to make a silk purse out of a sow&#8217;s ear of a neighborhood. </p>
<p>This ought to get me flamed, but Eminent Domain should be used to take the Goodman Oil property. Yes, Eminent Domain may have been abused in the past, but now its become taboo. Too bad.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/01/02/new-voice-sounding-like-a-growthophobe/#comment-10897</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rod,  I agree.  Make those seeking to &quot;grow&quot; here in our great city, pay for it.  It is near impossible to make or legislate a no-growth market.  Always seek consessions and compromise rather than denial of a project.  This creates a positive relationships for all those involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,  I agree.  Make those seeking to &#8220;grow&#8221; here in our great city, pay for it.  It is near impossible to make or legislate a no-growth market.  Always seek consessions and compromise rather than denial of a project.  This creates a positive relationships for all those involved.</p>
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		By: Tom Anderson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is so hard to understand about stopping growth?

We the people of Boise can, other than tax ourselves for alternative transportation, do pretty much anything we want.

We could set a population limit, and then outline acceptable ways to stay within that limit.

White folk, which is the primary inhabitant of Boise, has been in population decline, so the one baby rule probably wouldn&#039;t even need to be considered.

Thousands of examples of no-immigration societies exist. Look at New Zealand, or island nations like most of the nations in the Bahamas. You need to have a round trip plane ticket to visit. For places you can drive to, your car cannot be sold there or remain there for more than a certain amount of time. You are not allowed to initiate city services or get a job there.

This is not rocket science, we could pick and choose from numerous models.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is so hard to understand about stopping growth?</p>
<p>We the people of Boise can, other than tax ourselves for alternative transportation, do pretty much anything we want.</p>
<p>We could set a population limit, and then outline acceptable ways to stay within that limit.</p>
<p>White folk, which is the primary inhabitant of Boise, has been in population decline, so the one baby rule probably wouldn&#8217;t even need to be considered.</p>
<p>Thousands of examples of no-immigration societies exist. Look at New Zealand, or island nations like most of the nations in the Bahamas. You need to have a round trip plane ticket to visit. For places you can drive to, your car cannot be sold there or remain there for more than a certain amount of time. You are not allowed to initiate city services or get a job there.</p>
<p>This is not rocket science, we could pick and choose from numerous models.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boisecyinic, the buildings on 8th Street must be a blight by your logic. I suppose the Hampton Inn and the Boise Grove Hotel are shining examples of your &quot;new is better&quot; asthetic. Explain why the &quot;old town&quot; areas of major metropolitan cities are the most visited and vibrant areas people want to visit, live and work?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boisecyinic, the buildings on 8th Street must be a blight by your logic. I suppose the Hampton Inn and the Boise Grove Hotel are shining examples of your &#8220;new is better&#8221; asthetic. Explain why the &#8220;old town&#8221; areas of major metropolitan cities are the most visited and vibrant areas people want to visit, live and work?</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/01/02/new-voice-sounding-like-a-growthophobe/#comment-10890</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boisecynic said &quot;all of which was blight&quot;. Although there certainly were examples of the blight you mentioned, BRA&#039;s &quot;scorched earth&quot; policy cost us that beautiful old Basque boarding house/hotel. BRA said it couldn&#039;t possibly be saved, yet it took them a month of beating it with a wrecking ball before it finally gave up. That was a shame!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boisecynic said &#8220;all of which was blight&#8221;. Although there certainly were examples of the blight you mentioned, BRA&#8217;s &#8220;scorched earth&#8221; policy cost us that beautiful old Basque boarding house/hotel. BRA said it couldn&#8217;t possibly be saved, yet it took them a month of beating it with a wrecking ball before it finally gave up. That was a shame!</p>
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