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		By: Serendipity		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/15/kill-the-messenger-is-new-message/#comment-12207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serendipity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave wrote: &quot;Channel 12 is often without enough “warm bodies” to chase important local stories.&quot;
Really! The local TV stations even before the approaching cuts in staff rarely dug out important local stories, so what&#039;s the diff? Their main fare is sex crimes, burglaries, fires, auto accidents, cute kids, and once in a while a so-called heartwarmer about someone doing good to somebody. 

The corruption of our bought &#038; paid-for legislators (with a few honest exceptions) is a well-kept TV dirty little secret, unless someone blows it to the point of a putative wide-stance.

This is why I don&#039;t read spin from agencies, and plan on not getting the HDTV box. When analog goes off the air, it&#039;s the internet for me, where I can watch what I want to watch, with a minimum of the ghastly advertising prevalent on network TV.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave wrote: &#8220;Channel 12 is often without enough “warm bodies” to chase important local stories.&#8221;<br />
Really! The local TV stations even before the approaching cuts in staff rarely dug out important local stories, so what&#8217;s the diff? Their main fare is sex crimes, burglaries, fires, auto accidents, cute kids, and once in a while a so-called heartwarmer about someone doing good to somebody. </p>
<p>The corruption of our bought &amp; paid-for legislators (with a few honest exceptions) is a well-kept TV dirty little secret, unless someone blows it to the point of a putative wide-stance.</p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t read spin from agencies, and plan on not getting the HDTV box. When analog goes off the air, it&#8217;s the internet for me, where I can watch what I want to watch, with a minimum of the ghastly advertising prevalent on network TV.</p>
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		By: Tom Anderson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/15/kill-the-messenger-is-new-message/#comment-12178</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll tell you why our politicians can&#039;t be bothered with work. They are mostly VERY wealthy individuals who are totally absorbed in running hedge funds, and large businesses. 

They don&#039;t have the time it takes to actually do the job we require of them, so they outsource all functions that smell of work. This clears their schedule for the really important work; passing out goodies to the well connected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll tell you why our politicians can&#8217;t be bothered with work. They are mostly VERY wealthy individuals who are totally absorbed in running hedge funds, and large businesses. </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have the time it takes to actually do the job we require of them, so they outsource all functions that smell of work. This clears their schedule for the really important work; passing out goodies to the well connected.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/15/kill-the-messenger-is-new-message/#comment-12175</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon was elected by the voters and was ONE of the &quot;powers that be.&quot; It&#039;s a shame that her straightforward attitude and responsiveness make her a target. Seems to me that she is being quite careful this time around.. both in the relationship with the good ole boys with whom she serves and in her relationship with the press which played gotcha with her last time. And I guarantee that Dave will win the $25 bet. She even responds to me!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon was elected by the voters and was ONE of the &#8220;powers that be.&#8221; It&#8217;s a shame that her straightforward attitude and responsiveness make her a target. Seems to me that she is being quite careful this time around.. both in the relationship with the good ole boys with whom she serves and in her relationship with the press which played gotcha with her last time. And I guarantee that Dave will win the $25 bet. She even responds to me!!</p>
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		By: Dump the Chumps		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/15/kill-the-messenger-is-new-message/#comment-12174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dump the Chumps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric, 

I don&#039;t buy your theory that a politician loses if they speak candidly to the press, and can&#039;t win if they don&#039;t cater to the press.  

The press thrives on controversy.  There is no problem with that, unless they stoke their own fire.  The Statesman may not have been guilty of that tactic during her previous term, but they have done it before.  And, who could blame her if she came to that conclusion.  

Paraphrasing, If they burn you once, it&#039;s their fault.  If they burn you twice, it&#039;s your own fault.  Looks to me like she learned her lesson.

Either way, I am sure the Statesman would agree that, regardless of the issue or the politician, they are no longer needed to the degree they once were.  The internet was not the force then that it is now.  

To the best of my knowledge, Commissioner Ullman is one of the few, make that the only, politician in Idaho that writes her own copy.  Maybe you like her policies, maybe you don&#039;t, but at least you know that you are getting the facts the way she meant them. without the filter of the media, or a handler.  To me at least, there is great value in that.

Note to Sharon, keep up the good work and get the two begonias you work with to do the Wright thing and dump the PR guy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy your theory that a politician loses if they speak candidly to the press, and can&#8217;t win if they don&#8217;t cater to the press.  </p>
<p>The press thrives on controversy.  There is no problem with that, unless they stoke their own fire.  The Statesman may not have been guilty of that tactic during her previous term, but they have done it before.  And, who could blame her if she came to that conclusion.  </p>
<p>Paraphrasing, If they burn you once, it&#8217;s their fault.  If they burn you twice, it&#8217;s your own fault.  Looks to me like she learned her lesson.</p>
<p>Either way, I am sure the Statesman would agree that, regardless of the issue or the politician, they are no longer needed to the degree they once were.  The internet was not the force then that it is now.  </p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, Commissioner Ullman is one of the few, make that the only, politician in Idaho that writes her own copy.  Maybe you like her policies, maybe you don&#8217;t, but at least you know that you are getting the facts the way she meant them. without the filter of the media, or a handler.  To me at least, there is great value in that.</p>
<p>Note to Sharon, keep up the good work and get the two begonias you work with to do the Wright thing and dump the PR guy.</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric, you have hit on one of the really cool things about our country. You certainly have the right to differ, and I respect that. However, I don&#039;t really consider the Boise Weekly, or the Idaho Statesman &quot; the powers that be&quot;. In today&#039;s politically correct climate, we paid fairly heavy bread for some fancy consultant to tell the city/county leaders &quot;they need to play nice&quot;.That is a crock! We need leaders that will tell us the truth and act according to our wishes. Was it the &quot;powers that be&quot; that decided to charge us for a friggin bridge to a private development when the developer decided he wouldn&#039;t  build it as he promised? Or when they decided to allow THOUSANDS of new homes to be built in the foothills with no regard to water availability. Or maybe when the mayor stated he wanted growth to occur southeast of the city, and when asked about where the water was coming from, proposed we pump it out of the Snake River? Or maybe when Boise city hall buried the audit of the CCDC that THEY ASKED FOR almost two years ago? If those are the &quot;powers that be&quot; you refer to, then someone damn well better shake them up before they ruin this valley we all love.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, you have hit on one of the really cool things about our country. You certainly have the right to differ, and I respect that. However, I don&#8217;t really consider the Boise Weekly, or the Idaho Statesman &#8221; the powers that be&#8221;. In today&#8217;s politically correct climate, we paid fairly heavy bread for some fancy consultant to tell the city/county leaders &#8220;they need to play nice&#8221;.That is a crock! We need leaders that will tell us the truth and act according to our wishes. Was it the &#8220;powers that be&#8221; that decided to charge us for a friggin bridge to a private development when the developer decided he wouldn&#8217;t  build it as he promised? Or when they decided to allow THOUSANDS of new homes to be built in the foothills with no regard to water availability. Or maybe when the mayor stated he wanted growth to occur southeast of the city, and when asked about where the water was coming from, proposed we pump it out of the Snake River? Or maybe when Boise city hall buried the audit of the CCDC that THEY ASKED FOR almost two years ago? If those are the &#8220;powers that be&#8221; you refer to, then someone damn well better shake them up before they ruin this valley we all love.</p>
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		By: ericn1300		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/15/kill-the-messenger-is-new-message/#comment-12166</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ericn1300]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclops, I beg to differ. As a long time resident of Idaho I remember well the “bring it on” attitude of Sharon when she first came into office and tried to take a “bite out of government” like Symms promised to do. If you&#039;re going to shoot off the hip as she did you have to expect a bit of comeuppance, and an OK, I&#039;ll bring it on response from the powers that be. A classic example of not having PR in place. Maybe a good spin meister would have prevented her from being a one term wonder, and her lack of PR today dooms her to the same fate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclops, I beg to differ. As a long time resident of Idaho I remember well the “bring it on” attitude of Sharon when she first came into office and tried to take a “bite out of government” like Symms promised to do. If you&#8217;re going to shoot off the hip as she did you have to expect a bit of comeuppance, and an OK, I&#8217;ll bring it on response from the powers that be. A classic example of not having PR in place. Maybe a good spin meister would have prevented her from being a one term wonder, and her lack of PR today dooms her to the same fate.</p>
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		By: Prophobe		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/15/kill-the-messenger-is-new-message/#comment-12156</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prophobe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Guardian,

Somewhat OT, but given the cutbacks you mention at the Statesman and local TV news, have you considered turning this Web site into a more comprehensive local news source? Certainly the business model to fund such an effort is problematic, but I&#039;m intrigued by talk of using the non-profit structure and soliciting foundation grant money to fund journalistic endeavors. There certainly wouldn&#039;t be any lack of local freelance talent, but without some funding, you get what you pay for. 

I think this area needs an alternative, online local news source to replace the dwindling traditional media and I&#039;m just wondering if the Guardian or a spinoff might just be the catalyst for such an enterprise?

EDITOR NOTE--That is why we re offering up the big green DONATE button.  With a little &quot;war chest&quot; we can indeed expand coverage. https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/01/guardian-asks-reader-support-for-citizen-journalists/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Guardian,</p>
<p>Somewhat OT, but given the cutbacks you mention at the Statesman and local TV news, have you considered turning this Web site into a more comprehensive local news source? Certainly the business model to fund such an effort is problematic, but I&#8217;m intrigued by talk of using the non-profit structure and soliciting foundation grant money to fund journalistic endeavors. There certainly wouldn&#8217;t be any lack of local freelance talent, but without some funding, you get what you pay for. </p>
<p>I think this area needs an alternative, online local news source to replace the dwindling traditional media and I&#8217;m just wondering if the Guardian or a spinoff might just be the catalyst for such an enterprise?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;That is why we re offering up the big green DONATE button.  With a little &#8220;war chest&#8221; we can indeed expand coverage. <a href="https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/01/guardian-asks-reader-support-for-citizen-journalists/" rel="ugc">https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/01/guardian-asks-reader-support-for-citizen-journalists/</a></p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yup! T-Bird that is exactly what I expect! Elected office means someone WANTS to serve. This just comes with the territory. In today&#039;s society, the average 10 year old has the skills you outlined. If someone seeking a high profile elected office or position in the bureaucracy doesn&#039;t have those skills, then they are not qualified for the position.
Now, in response to Eric. You must not have lived here very long. If you had, you would remember how Ullman was &quot;crucified&quot; by the local media with selective sound bytes and out of context quotes. All she has done is learn from history and she is smarter for doing so!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup! T-Bird that is exactly what I expect! Elected office means someone WANTS to serve. This just comes with the territory. In today&#8217;s society, the average 10 year old has the skills you outlined. If someone seeking a high profile elected office or position in the bureaucracy doesn&#8217;t have those skills, then they are not qualified for the position.<br />
Now, in response to Eric. You must not have lived here very long. If you had, you would remember how Ullman was &#8220;crucified&#8221; by the local media with selective sound bytes and out of context quotes. All she has done is learn from history and she is smarter for doing so!</p>
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		By: T-Bird		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/03/15/kill-the-messenger-is-new-message/#comment-12147</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T-Bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you expect your elected officials to know how to manage a website?  To compile information from the many departments and offices within the county and nicely package it in one place for you?  How about write press releases and deal with reporters when they aren’t trained in journalism?

Companies of any size have PR or Offices of Information to release information to the public; it&#039;s just efficiency. This is what they do. Policy makers make policies, information specialists disseminate information. These professionals aren&#039;t a waste of taxpayer money, they&#039;re saving it.

This &quot;spin&quot;, as you call it, is just a minor role of many.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you expect your elected officials to know how to manage a website?  To compile information from the many departments and offices within the county and nicely package it in one place for you?  How about write press releases and deal with reporters when they aren’t trained in journalism?</p>
<p>Companies of any size have PR or Offices of Information to release information to the public; it&#8217;s just efficiency. This is what they do. Policy makers make policies, information specialists disseminate information. These professionals aren&#8217;t a waste of taxpayer money, they&#8217;re saving it.</p>
<p>This &#8220;spin&#8221;, as you call it, is just a minor role of many.</p>
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		By: ericn1300		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ericn1300]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“EDITOR NOTE–Rick makes a good point. However, the issues presented by GUARDIAN readers and Ullman tend to deal with presenting AGENDAS, manipulation of public opinion, “selling” ideas, and soliciting funding. NONE of the readers complain about getting unvarnished information from a reliable source.”

In regards to the editors notes, rolling Ms. Ullmans ideals of PR into your response as a point of agreement just lessens your argument. Her disinclination to have either a PR person, nor to answer questions directly herself other than filtered thru her web site is arrogant and you are just enabling her arrogance. 

Granted the growth of talking heads surrogating themselves instead of allowing the incumbents to speak freely for themselves is annoying, however no talking head may put his or her agenda ahead of their employer and Ms. Ullman has no problems with putting forth her agendas but has exhibited a complete lack of PR in explaining them.

EDITOR NOTE (2)--Eric, I don&#039;t want to be in a position of defending Ullman--or any politico--but I will bet you a $25 donation to the GUARDIAN you will get timely answer to any phone call or e-mail you care to make.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“EDITOR NOTE–Rick makes a good point. However, the issues presented by GUARDIAN readers and Ullman tend to deal with presenting AGENDAS, manipulation of public opinion, “selling” ideas, and soliciting funding. NONE of the readers complain about getting unvarnished information from a reliable source.”</p>
<p>In regards to the editors notes, rolling Ms. Ullmans ideals of PR into your response as a point of agreement just lessens your argument. Her disinclination to have either a PR person, nor to answer questions directly herself other than filtered thru her web site is arrogant and you are just enabling her arrogance. </p>
<p>Granted the growth of talking heads surrogating themselves instead of allowing the incumbents to speak freely for themselves is annoying, however no talking head may put his or her agenda ahead of their employer and Ms. Ullman has no problems with putting forth her agendas but has exhibited a complete lack of PR in explaining them.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE (2)&#8211;Eric, I don&#8217;t want to be in a position of defending Ullman&#8211;or any politico&#8211;but I will bet you a $25 donation to the GUARDIAN you will get timely answer to any phone call or e-mail you care to make.  </p>
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