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		By: Jerry		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/14/boise-considers-trade-war-ordinance/#comment-12715</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sort of connected.  
I just signed the check for Idaho Power from my business. And it always makes me
mad. The payment goes to Seattle, WA. Idaho Power which I know is not a state entity
but it is governed by the state. Has me mail my payment for my business and my home
to Seattle to be processed. Shouldn&#039;t they support the community and the state which
they are named after. They also award many contracts to out of state firms for
staffing and many other areas without so much as giving us Idaho businesses a chance
to bid on them. Anyway, I hope you will look into this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of connected.<br />
I just signed the check for Idaho Power from my business. And it always makes me<br />
mad. The payment goes to Seattle, WA. Idaho Power which I know is not a state entity<br />
but it is governed by the state. Has me mail my payment for my business and my home<br />
to Seattle to be processed. Shouldn&#8217;t they support the community and the state which<br />
they are named after. They also award many contracts to out of state firms for<br />
staffing and many other areas without so much as giving us Idaho businesses a chance<br />
to bid on them. Anyway, I hope you will look into this.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/14/boise-considers-trade-war-ordinance/#comment-12648</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By looking at the angry &quot;Tea Party&quot;
crowd last week, many touted &quot;free market&quot; signs. A free unrgegulated market, goes for cheap capital and labor at every opportunity.  And they wonder where their jobs went?  The idea of investing in your community and keeping dollars circulating in the community go out the door if maximizing profit is the bottom line. 
By the looks of most of the tea party mob, I bet most shop in China via WalMart. Anyone notice WalMart slowly changing their Red Star logo with a yellow daisy?  Cute huh.
In this case I can understand a protectionist mentality with the public treasure because where else is public investment going to come from?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By looking at the angry &#8220;Tea Party&#8221;<br />
crowd last week, many touted &#8220;free market&#8221; signs. A free unrgegulated market, goes for cheap capital and labor at every opportunity.  And they wonder where their jobs went?  The idea of investing in your community and keeping dollars circulating in the community go out the door if maximizing profit is the bottom line.<br />
By the looks of most of the tea party mob, I bet most shop in China via WalMart. Anyone notice WalMart slowly changing their Red Star logo with a yellow daisy?  Cute huh.<br />
In this case I can understand a protectionist mentality with the public treasure because where else is public investment going to come from?</p>
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		By: Dean Gunderson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/14/boise-considers-trade-war-ordinance/#comment-12636</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean Gunderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a late commentor -- I blame the long California commute.

If the funds used by local government to purchase goods and services are derived from the tax-proceeds of local citizens, then it&#039;s in those citizens&#039; best interest to ensure that local government MUST first consider spending that money on the goods and services provided by local businesses BEFORE they consider sending that money outside the region.

This cannot be a foreign concept - can it?

I admit that it&#039;s unexpected that a Growthaphobe thinks it unwise (and perhaps illegal) to require tax-supported government to shop local...

The Boise area has been the beneficiary of a tremendous influx of out-of-state capital as local businesses offered up their services on the national &#038; global markets -- and took full advantage of the government&#039;s &quot;low bid is the best bid&quot; fantasy. But this scenario also meant that as those business grew the local area had to accomodate all those new employees. This was an unsustainable situation -- as the Guardian has pointed out -- since it slaved the local economy to a volatile economic sector. It got to the point that no matter how many &quot;tax breaks&quot; the legislature passed, those high volume, fragile business ventures collapsed.

Stability will be re-established once local government spending (really the only large-scale spending citizens have any true control over), is contained to the local region. 

It&#039;s actually not that unusual for a public agency to restrict acquisitions to companies that are based within geographic proximity. This has very little to do with the equal protection clause, since non-local companies can become eligible for contracts simply by choosing to relocate to Boise -- just as Boise (et al) had nothing to do with those companies &quot;choosing&quot; to disqualify themselves by deciding not to locate to the Boise area.

Localism only becomes prejudicial when the &quot;proximity&quot; offered in the spending statute so severly restricts the public&#039;s options, that it is forced to contract with companies that benefit elected officials (their spouses, or other relatives). Typical proximity statutes specify location winthin 20-50 miles of the issuing agency.

The mantra of &quot;lowest bid&quot; has Walmarted America, and induced auto-dependent sprawl throughout once-pristine rural regions. And, as in Boise&#039;s case, over leveraged these once small-populated areas into situations where there aren&#039;t enough jobs left to keep everyone working. The long-term impact of such short-sightedness is rampant unemployment, and the attendent rise in crime and urban blight.

But, then again, if you think this was a good thing -- then, by all means, oppose the &quot;buy local&quot; ordinance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a late commentor &#8212; I blame the long California commute.</p>
<p>If the funds used by local government to purchase goods and services are derived from the tax-proceeds of local citizens, then it&#8217;s in those citizens&#8217; best interest to ensure that local government MUST first consider spending that money on the goods and services provided by local businesses BEFORE they consider sending that money outside the region.</p>
<p>This cannot be a foreign concept &#8211; can it?</p>
<p>I admit that it&#8217;s unexpected that a Growthaphobe thinks it unwise (and perhaps illegal) to require tax-supported government to shop local&#8230;</p>
<p>The Boise area has been the beneficiary of a tremendous influx of out-of-state capital as local businesses offered up their services on the national &amp; global markets &#8212; and took full advantage of the government&#8217;s &#8220;low bid is the best bid&#8221; fantasy. But this scenario also meant that as those business grew the local area had to accomodate all those new employees. This was an unsustainable situation &#8212; as the Guardian has pointed out &#8212; since it slaved the local economy to a volatile economic sector. It got to the point that no matter how many &#8220;tax breaks&#8221; the legislature passed, those high volume, fragile business ventures collapsed.</p>
<p>Stability will be re-established once local government spending (really the only large-scale spending citizens have any true control over), is contained to the local region. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually not that unusual for a public agency to restrict acquisitions to companies that are based within geographic proximity. This has very little to do with the equal protection clause, since non-local companies can become eligible for contracts simply by choosing to relocate to Boise &#8212; just as Boise (et al) had nothing to do with those companies &#8220;choosing&#8221; to disqualify themselves by deciding not to locate to the Boise area.</p>
<p>Localism only becomes prejudicial when the &#8220;proximity&#8221; offered in the spending statute so severly restricts the public&#8217;s options, that it is forced to contract with companies that benefit elected officials (their spouses, or other relatives). Typical proximity statutes specify location winthin 20-50 miles of the issuing agency.</p>
<p>The mantra of &#8220;lowest bid&#8221; has Walmarted America, and induced auto-dependent sprawl throughout once-pristine rural regions. And, as in Boise&#8217;s case, over leveraged these once small-populated areas into situations where there aren&#8217;t enough jobs left to keep everyone working. The long-term impact of such short-sightedness is rampant unemployment, and the attendent rise in crime and urban blight.</p>
<p>But, then again, if you think this was a good thing &#8212; then, by all means, oppose the &#8220;buy local&#8221; ordinance.</p>
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		By: cathy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/14/boise-considers-trade-war-ordinance/#comment-12597</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom, I understand that, I should have made myself more clear.  Will the Idaho goverment consider out of state firms who have physical offices here as &quot;local&quot; and not just papers on file with SOS?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I understand that, I should have made myself more clear.  Will the Idaho goverment consider out of state firms who have physical offices here as &#8220;local&#8221; and not just papers on file with SOS?</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those of you that are cheerleading for &quot;local&quot; business, are you referring to local or domestic. The problem with your position is that, as a country, we no longer manufacture anything!
Are you referring to clothing? How about automobiles, airplanes, trucks, busses, road making equipment, food, shoes, steel, chemicals, computers, oil, gasoline? If, in fact, you are talking about a truly local economy, what if you had to give up everything you own, or need, in your daily lives that isn&#039;t made in Boise, or even Ada county, and someone gave you $5000.00 in cash,(Oh, wait a minute. No cash because it isn&#039;t made here) you couldn&#039;t exist for 30 days. Just think about it....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you that are cheerleading for &#8220;local&#8221; business, are you referring to local or domestic. The problem with your position is that, as a country, we no longer manufacture anything!<br />
Are you referring to clothing? How about automobiles, airplanes, trucks, busses, road making equipment, food, shoes, steel, chemicals, computers, oil, gasoline? If, in fact, you are talking about a truly local economy, what if you had to give up everything you own, or need, in your daily lives that isn&#8217;t made in Boise, or even Ada county, and someone gave you $5000.00 in cash,(Oh, wait a minute. No cash because it isn&#8217;t made here) you couldn&#8217;t exist for 30 days. Just think about it&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Yossarian_22		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yossarian_22]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Anderson hits it spot on. It&#039;s important and smart to support local products/services where available. While everything we need/want is not produced locally now, it would make more sense if it was, environmentally, sustainably and securely. Why anyone would want to support Chinese factories that employ, excuse me...enslave children and low paid workers just because of the price, is beyond me. Unfortunately, so much manufacturing has been transferred overseas for so long that we have no choice on many items now, and we are to blame. But, that must change..and it WILL change when the peak oil equation plays out. When the trucks stop driving and the goodies stop flowing, then a local economy is all that we&#039;ll have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Anderson hits it spot on. It&#8217;s important and smart to support local products/services where available. While everything we need/want is not produced locally now, it would make more sense if it was, environmentally, sustainably and securely. Why anyone would want to support Chinese factories that employ, excuse me&#8230;enslave children and low paid workers just because of the price, is beyond me. Unfortunately, so much manufacturing has been transferred overseas for so long that we have no choice on many items now, and we are to blame. But, that must change..and it WILL change when the peak oil equation plays out. When the trucks stop driving and the goodies stop flowing, then a local economy is all that we&#8217;ll have.</p>
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		By: Tom Anderson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cathy: Local firms are owned by local people and the profits stay here. Foriegn firms have owners somewhere else and the money flows to wherever the owner or stockholder resides.

We pay the same whoever gets contracts, the only difference is that with foriegn firms many of the costs are externalities (hidden costs to society).

Ignorant poor people will always look to price first and don&#039;t care who gets harmed in order for them to get their low price, including themselves in the case of processed poison called food and lead covered toys. Government should be held to a higher standard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy: Local firms are owned by local people and the profits stay here. Foriegn firms have owners somewhere else and the money flows to wherever the owner or stockholder resides.</p>
<p>We pay the same whoever gets contracts, the only difference is that with foriegn firms many of the costs are externalities (hidden costs to society).</p>
<p>Ignorant poor people will always look to price first and don&#8217;t care who gets harmed in order for them to get their low price, including themselves in the case of processed poison called food and lead covered toys. Government should be held to a higher standard.</p>
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		By: duder123		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[duder123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert, I have thought about it, how does paying you more for the same product benefit Idaho tax payers?  It would be one thing if you actually manufactured the product but a middle man is a middle man in state or other wise.

Clearly I was speaking in hypotheticals, either way tax payers pay more for the same product.  As Gottfried von Haberler put it:

Nearly every industrial tariff was first imposed as an infant-industry tariff under the promise that in a few years, when the industry had grown sufficiently to face foreign competition, it would be removed. But, in fact, this moment never arrives. The interested parties are never willing to have the duty removed. Thus temporary infant-industry duties are transformed into permanent duties to preserve the industries they protect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I have thought about it, how does paying you more for the same product benefit Idaho tax payers?  It would be one thing if you actually manufactured the product but a middle man is a middle man in state or other wise.</p>
<p>Clearly I was speaking in hypotheticals, either way tax payers pay more for the same product.  As Gottfried von Haberler put it:</p>
<p>Nearly every industrial tariff was first imposed as an infant-industry tariff under the promise that in a few years, when the industry had grown sufficiently to face foreign competition, it would be removed. But, in fact, this moment never arrives. The interested parties are never willing to have the duty removed. Thus temporary infant-industry duties are transformed into permanent duties to preserve the industries they protect.</p>
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		By: cathy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is URS considered a local firm?  They have an office here.  What about other firms that have offices here, are they considered local?  If so, they can still out bid the little guys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is URS considered a local firm?  They have an office here.  What about other firms that have offices here, are they considered local?  If so, they can still out bid the little guys.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[duder123 Lets try more like a 10% profit. 25% on equipment? What planet did you come from. It would help employ people in Idaho. Pay taxes in Idaho. I think Idaho would make more of a profit.
Think about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>duder123 Lets try more like a 10% profit. 25% on equipment? What planet did you come from. It would help employ people in Idaho. Pay taxes in Idaho. I think Idaho would make more of a profit.<br />
Think about it.</p>
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