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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/21/nothing-is-better-than-bad-something/#comment-12988</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about a Ted Nugent concert at the track once a month. The fan base is huge in Boise and it will draw tons of money from the nearby county fan base. Combine it with mega gun shows at the fairgrounds. Idahoans never get tired of the Nuge!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a Ted Nugent concert at the track once a month. The fan base is huge in Boise and it will draw tons of money from the nearby county fan base. Combine it with mega gun shows at the fairgrounds. Idahoans never get tired of the Nuge!</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/21/nothing-is-better-than-bad-something/#comment-12711</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul:
If by &quot;green lawnmowers,&quot; you mean ones that don&#039;t drink petroleum products and belch smog, yeah, there are scores of those at the track when it&#039;s operating.
The stalls are filled with lawnmowers that not only mow, but they compost the clippings and eject them as organic fertilizer.

How&#039;s that for &quot;green&quot;??!!!!??!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:<br />
If by &#8220;green lawnmowers,&#8221; you mean ones that don&#8217;t drink petroleum products and belch smog, yeah, there are scores of those at the track when it&#8217;s operating.<br />
The stalls are filled with lawnmowers that not only mow, but they compost the clippings and eject them as organic fertilizer.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for &#8220;green&#8221;??!!!!??!</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/21/nothing-is-better-than-bad-something/#comment-12682</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It appears that if running a track for the purpose of gambling in Ada County is not economically viable then perhaps the land could be better used in some other way. May I suggest a green lawnmower sales facility. We could move the mayors office to the new city endorsed site and the Mayor could moonlight, selling mowers on the side. He could give the city a break on his salary and subsidize it with meaningful green efforts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that if running a track for the purpose of gambling in Ada County is not economically viable then perhaps the land could be better used in some other way. May I suggest a green lawnmower sales facility. We could move the mayors office to the new city endorsed site and the Mayor could moonlight, selling mowers on the side. He could give the city a break on his salary and subsidize it with meaningful green efforts.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GHIW:
1) I can&#039;t imagine what you&#039;re comparing the track with. The Triple Crown tracks?
Have you been at the other tracks in Idaho, or the small ones in other Western states?
Les Bois looks like the Taj Mahal compared to them.
Yes, the barns are rather tacky, and it&#039;s up to the users of each stall to repair, paint or whatever it needs, so not all of them do a lot. But the slums in Juarez? Whew, that&#039;s really a stretch.
2) I didn&#039;t say anything about using it to introduce kids to horses, although I do see quite a few younguns who really enjoy it (even though they can&#039;t gamble and drink beer or booze).
3) Interesting that everybody keeps comparing the current rent proposals with the rent that helped run the previous group off. Now compare it with the three or four before the commishes multiplied it by a large number to charge Capitol Racing waaayyy more than the previous operators. That might clarify some of the problem. And, no, each racing season does not leave the facilities worse; each year, at least some improvements are made.
4) Yes, vet and feed suppliers have more customers, but to say the track is seasonal doesn&#039;t compute -- those horses have to be fed, doctored and otherwise taken care of 365 days a year (if you grew up with horses, I should think you would know that!)
And, no; if the deal went bad, I would not be lambasting the BOCC for dealing with these &quot;businessmen&quot; to begin with. I would be saying, &quot;Well, at least they tried.&quot;

And, FYI, the track grandstands are used for seating for various concerts, etc., between racing seasons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GHIW:<br />
1) I can&#8217;t imagine what you&#8217;re comparing the track with. The Triple Crown tracks?<br />
Have you been at the other tracks in Idaho, or the small ones in other Western states?<br />
Les Bois looks like the Taj Mahal compared to them.<br />
Yes, the barns are rather tacky, and it&#8217;s up to the users of each stall to repair, paint or whatever it needs, so not all of them do a lot. But the slums in Juarez? Whew, that&#8217;s really a stretch.<br />
2) I didn&#8217;t say anything about using it to introduce kids to horses, although I do see quite a few younguns who really enjoy it (even though they can&#8217;t gamble and drink beer or booze).<br />
3) Interesting that everybody keeps comparing the current rent proposals with the rent that helped run the previous group off. Now compare it with the three or four before the commishes multiplied it by a large number to charge Capitol Racing waaayyy more than the previous operators. That might clarify some of the problem. And, no, each racing season does not leave the facilities worse; each year, at least some improvements are made.<br />
4) Yes, vet and feed suppliers have more customers, but to say the track is seasonal doesn&#8217;t compute &#8212; those horses have to be fed, doctored and otherwise taken care of 365 days a year (if you grew up with horses, I should think you would know that!)<br />
And, no; if the deal went bad, I would not be lambasting the BOCC for dealing with these &#8220;businessmen&#8221; to begin with. I would be saying, &#8220;Well, at least they tried.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, FYI, the track grandstands are used for seating for various concerts, etc., between racing seasons.</p>
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		By: Gordon has it wrong....		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I do know something about racing. I grew up (literally) in the thoroughbred industry. Some points:

1) Lets be realistic, the current track and stable set up is an EYE SORE compared to reputable (and I use that term very loosely) race tracks. Regardless of your pro or anti-racing stance, these facilities hardly are a stellar example of quality. In fact they have more in common with slums in Juarez, IMHO. 

2) If you truly want to introduce your children to horsemanship and animals, the racetrack is not a place to do it. Try horseback riding lessons (English or Western) or take them to the Zoo. Having seen the facilities and having been around horses all my life, I don’t get a good feeling for the long term welfare of the horses or their grooms and hotwalkers either ....).

3) From a business and liability point of view, Some rent (and this paltry sum barely qualifies) is not better than nothing if it leaves the facilities in even worse shape, leaves the BOCC holding the bag for unfulfilled contracts, or creates liability. Kudos for the county for doing the right thing. 

4) Vet and Feed Suppliers have far more customer base than just the track, which is seasonal and ....when you get down to it, not that many horses...compared to whats in Ada County alone, much less the Treasure Valley.  Lets face it, Idaho is still predominantly Agro and Ranch. 

 
One final note: if this deal went bad, then Gordon would be lambasting the BOCC for dealing with these &quot;businessmen&quot; to begin with....


My opinion? Raze or rebuild the slumms to attract more reputable Equistrian Events...
Turn the stadium into an outdoor amplitheater for concerts, etc. (Why should the high dollar concerts and performaces go to Canyon County?)

And keep using the rest of the fairgrounds for ....whatever its currently used for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I do know something about racing. I grew up (literally) in the thoroughbred industry. Some points:</p>
<p>1) Lets be realistic, the current track and stable set up is an EYE SORE compared to reputable (and I use that term very loosely) race tracks. Regardless of your pro or anti-racing stance, these facilities hardly are a stellar example of quality. In fact they have more in common with slums in Juarez, IMHO. </p>
<p>2) If you truly want to introduce your children to horsemanship and animals, the racetrack is not a place to do it. Try horseback riding lessons (English or Western) or take them to the Zoo. Having seen the facilities and having been around horses all my life, I don’t get a good feeling for the long term welfare of the horses or their grooms and hotwalkers either &#8230;.).</p>
<p>3) From a business and liability point of view, Some rent (and this paltry sum barely qualifies) is not better than nothing if it leaves the facilities in even worse shape, leaves the BOCC holding the bag for unfulfilled contracts, or creates liability. Kudos for the county for doing the right thing. </p>
<p>4) Vet and Feed Suppliers have far more customer base than just the track, which is seasonal and &#8230;.when you get down to it, not that many horses&#8230;compared to whats in Ada County alone, much less the Treasure Valley.  Lets face it, Idaho is still predominantly Agro and Ranch. </p>
<p>One final note: if this deal went bad, then Gordon would be lambasting the BOCC for dealing with these &#8220;businessmen&#8221; to begin with&#8230;.</p>
<p>My opinion? Raze or rebuild the slumms to attract more reputable Equistrian Events&#8230;<br />
Turn the stadium into an outdoor amplitheater for concerts, etc. (Why should the high dollar concerts and performaces go to Canyon County?)</p>
<p>And keep using the rest of the fairgrounds for &#8230;.whatever its currently used for.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/21/nothing-is-better-than-bad-something/#comment-12664</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If only all landlords in this town would be as discriminating as the Ada Commissioners. 

Here&#039;s an example, the landlords down the street, in their haste to get the place rented, took on a tenant with 2 large dogs. 2 large dogs in an 800SF apartment with no fenced yard. After a year when the tenant moved out the damage was extraordinary. Not only did the carpet have to be replaced, so did the flooring which had rotted from constant wetness from dog urine.

Damn right you should be careful who you rent to.

EDITOR NOTE--Boisecynic has just earned the &quot;segue of the year.&quot;  (For you non library types that&#039;s &quot;an uninterrupted transition...&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only all landlords in this town would be as discriminating as the Ada Commissioners. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example, the landlords down the street, in their haste to get the place rented, took on a tenant with 2 large dogs. 2 large dogs in an 800SF apartment with no fenced yard. After a year when the tenant moved out the damage was extraordinary. Not only did the carpet have to be replaced, so did the flooring which had rotted from constant wetness from dog urine.</p>
<p>Damn right you should be careful who you rent to.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Boisecynic has just earned the &#8220;segue of the year.&#8221;  (For you non library types that&#8217;s &#8220;an uninterrupted transition&#8230;&#8221;)</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been to the races. And it&#039;s fun once in a while. And if it were profitable we wouldn&#039;t go through this exercise every few years. The County should not be in the entertainment business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been to the races. And it&#8217;s fun once in a while. And if it were profitable we wouldn&#8217;t go through this exercise every few years. The County should not be in the entertainment business.</p>
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		By: Sharon Ullman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Ullman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If we don&#039;t have horse racing this year at Les Bois Park, the County will utilize the facilities for other purposes. For additional information about this whole situation, please see www.sharonu.com/blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we don&#8217;t have horse racing this year at Les Bois Park, the County will utilize the facilities for other purposes. For additional information about this whole situation, please see <a href="http://www.sharonu.com/blog" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sharonu.com/blog</a>.</p>
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		By: Gordon Has it About Right		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Has it About Right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The track is not going away.  And it doesn&#039;t generate any revenue when it is idle.  Maybe you like gambling. Maybe not.  However, even a little rent is better than none.  Keeping the place idle is the worst deal of all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The track is not going away.  And it doesn&#8217;t generate any revenue when it is idle.  Maybe you like gambling. Maybe not.  However, even a little rent is better than none.  Keeping the place idle is the worst deal of all.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A lot of the anti-racing comments seem to come from people who know nothing about horse racing; I wonder whether they&#039;ve even ever been to the races.

Yep, there&#039;s gambling (though not in league with the stock markets as far as possible losses), there&#039;s drinking, though less than at a bar where there&#039;s little to do but chug it down; yep, there are some sleazy people involved sometimes, but I doubt it&#039;s any higher percentage than in most businesses -- certainly less than in Enron, AIG, the now-defunct M-K (top-level folks), and certainly less that in politics.

The racehorse owners, trainers, grooms, jockeys, etc. do it more for the love of the game and the animals than for the money -- it&#039;s rare that any of them make a profit, especially at a small track like Boise.

But, now those folks are out of work, the owners have horses that bring no income, but still have to try to feed and house them, take care of vet bills, shoeing, etc. I wonder what will happen to the horses when the owners run out of money. There&#039;s no market for them when there&#039;s no racing, and prices on horses of all kinds are down, like prices for houses, etc.

Vets, feed suppliers, equipment suppliers (Jim Flynn&#039;s comes to mind), etc., lose their main customer base.

And the county gets no rent from the track!

Seems like a lose-lose situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the anti-racing comments seem to come from people who know nothing about horse racing; I wonder whether they&#8217;ve even ever been to the races.</p>
<p>Yep, there&#8217;s gambling (though not in league with the stock markets as far as possible losses), there&#8217;s drinking, though less than at a bar where there&#8217;s little to do but chug it down; yep, there are some sleazy people involved sometimes, but I doubt it&#8217;s any higher percentage than in most businesses &#8212; certainly less than in Enron, AIG, the now-defunct M-K (top-level folks), and certainly less that in politics.</p>
<p>The racehorse owners, trainers, grooms, jockeys, etc. do it more for the love of the game and the animals than for the money &#8212; it&#8217;s rare that any of them make a profit, especially at a small track like Boise.</p>
<p>But, now those folks are out of work, the owners have horses that bring no income, but still have to try to feed and house them, take care of vet bills, shoeing, etc. I wonder what will happen to the horses when the owners run out of money. There&#8217;s no market for them when there&#8217;s no racing, and prices on horses of all kinds are down, like prices for houses, etc.</p>
<p>Vets, feed suppliers, equipment suppliers (Jim Flynn&#8217;s comes to mind), etc., lose their main customer base.</p>
<p>And the county gets no rent from the track!</p>
<p>Seems like a lose-lose situation.</p>
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