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		By: JimV		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/28/cities-likely-to-raise-tax-levy-rate/#comment-13053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a scam!...I just spoke to the gent who assessed my home. The little dears have a scheme going where only SOME home sales are counted in assessing ones home for tax purposes. They define &#039;market value&#039; to exclude &#039;distressed sales&#039;, which includes homes sold in foreclosure or homes sold by a desperate seller not in foreclosure below what would be the normal market (defined by God knows who) so...the fact that 3 homes identical to mine sold for 20% less than my assessment on my street last November, making my actual resale value far lower than the assessment, is discounted as though the sales did not occur and my resale value is set at an imaginary value, for TAX purposes only, A HIGHER IMAGINARY VALUE,  as it has no real relationship to the market.

You have to give it to the government...they get to remove all the low end sales from their valuations...sort of guarantees a nice tax from the folk with imaginary and made up values...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a scam!&#8230;I just spoke to the gent who assessed my home. The little dears have a scheme going where only SOME home sales are counted in assessing ones home for tax purposes. They define &#8216;market value&#8217; to exclude &#8216;distressed sales&#8217;, which includes homes sold in foreclosure or homes sold by a desperate seller not in foreclosure below what would be the normal market (defined by God knows who) so&#8230;the fact that 3 homes identical to mine sold for 20% less than my assessment on my street last November, making my actual resale value far lower than the assessment, is discounted as though the sales did not occur and my resale value is set at an imaginary value, for TAX purposes only, A HIGHER IMAGINARY VALUE,  as it has no real relationship to the market.</p>
<p>You have to give it to the government&#8230;they get to remove all the low end sales from their valuations&#8230;sort of guarantees a nice tax from the folk with imaginary and made up values&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tax Wonk		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/28/cities-likely-to-raise-tax-levy-rate/#comment-12768</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tax Wonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ericn: You forget that the developer does perform the maintenance on the longer  street, sewer, and water lines etc.  Hence the higher costs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ericn: You forget that the developer does perform the maintenance on the longer  street, sewer, and water lines etc.  Hence the higher costs.</p>
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		By: scotty		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/28/cities-likely-to-raise-tax-levy-rate/#comment-12766</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scotty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In regards to the comment left by the editor concerning rates going up to raise the same $100 to match the corresponding devaluation and/or decreasing tax base.  What about when the tax base or valuation returns to its original level--when have we seen our rates thus decrease or the balance sway in favor of a tax decrease?  I would venture to say very seldom.

With EVERY tax increase, expenditures also increase by which any return of surpluses is almost never returned to the taxpayer in equal proportion.  Also, margins needed for a sufficient bond rating between expenditures and revenue have increased, which also contribute to the demand of higher taxes.
A high reserve in capital is ALWAYS more costly than conservative operation ratios that meet actual cash outlays as opposed to ever growing debt projection &quot;needs.&quot;

EDITOR NOTE--Rates actually have gone down a few times in the recent past because the BUDGET is capped at 3% per year and there was so much growth and increased value, they literally couldn&#039;t spend it all.  Cities do indeed tend to &quot;preserve their ability to tax&quot; by increasing the budget each year.  If they didn&#039;t increase for a year or two, they would be hamstrung with a three year old budget amount that had a 3% cap on increases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the comment left by the editor concerning rates going up to raise the same $100 to match the corresponding devaluation and/or decreasing tax base.  What about when the tax base or valuation returns to its original level&#8211;when have we seen our rates thus decrease or the balance sway in favor of a tax decrease?  I would venture to say very seldom.</p>
<p>With EVERY tax increase, expenditures also increase by which any return of surpluses is almost never returned to the taxpayer in equal proportion.  Also, margins needed for a sufficient bond rating between expenditures and revenue have increased, which also contribute to the demand of higher taxes.<br />
A high reserve in capital is ALWAYS more costly than conservative operation ratios that meet actual cash outlays as opposed to ever growing debt projection &#8220;needs.&#8221;</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Rates actually have gone down a few times in the recent past because the BUDGET is capped at 3% per year and there was so much growth and increased value, they literally couldn&#8217;t spend it all.  Cities do indeed tend to &#8220;preserve their ability to tax&#8221; by increasing the budget each year.  If they didn&#8217;t increase for a year or two, they would be hamstrung with a three year old budget amount that had a 3% cap on increases.</p>
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		By: JIMV		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/28/cities-likely-to-raise-tax-levy-rate/#comment-12765</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JIMV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually taxing property each and every year is an archaic carryover from the days when 90% of the population derived income from their property as they were farms. What should be taxed is any increase in the homes value, and that only once. As it is we do not own property but, like in the UK, we have a leasehold while the state owns the property and we pay rent in the form of tax each and every year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually taxing property each and every year is an archaic carryover from the days when 90% of the population derived income from their property as they were farms. What should be taxed is any increase in the homes value, and that only once. As it is we do not own property but, like in the UK, we have a leasehold while the state owns the property and we pay rent in the form of tax each and every year.</p>
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		By: ericn1300		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/28/cities-likely-to-raise-tax-levy-rate/#comment-12764</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ericn1300]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wonk, when you say “the homes on bigger lots require longer street, sewer, and water lines per home than homes in denser areas” you forget that the developer pays for those costs up front and passes them along to the home builder in land cost. There is no costs to the taxpayers for those items.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonk, when you say “the homes on bigger lots require longer street, sewer, and water lines per home than homes in denser areas” you forget that the developer pays for those costs up front and passes them along to the home builder in land cost. There is no costs to the taxpayers for those items.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/28/cities-likely-to-raise-tax-levy-rate/#comment-12759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stick by my thought... taxing property on its value rather than the cost of providing services to that property makes little sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stick by my thought&#8230; taxing property on its value rather than the cost of providing services to that property makes little sense.</p>
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		By: Sara		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/28/cities-likely-to-raise-tax-levy-rate/#comment-12758</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you are unhappy with your assessment - because from that flows your share of the property tax and higher assessments mean higher property taxes under any scenario - then you should appeal.

There is no downside.  The county cannot raise your assessment at your appeal hearing, the most they can do is say no.

Use the assessor&#039;s own figures to argue against them.  Look at your neighbor&#039;s or a neighboring sub land values.  If they are similarly sized, but differently priced, then someone is getting screwed.  

Just remember, your argument needs to be predicated on what happened to your property from Jan 2008 to Dec 2008 and not after.  

Assessments don&#039;t come out until after the May primary date.  That&#039;s a crime in my opinion, but it was ever thus and another topic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are unhappy with your assessment &#8211; because from that flows your share of the property tax and higher assessments mean higher property taxes under any scenario &#8211; then you should appeal.</p>
<p>There is no downside.  The county cannot raise your assessment at your appeal hearing, the most they can do is say no.</p>
<p>Use the assessor&#8217;s own figures to argue against them.  Look at your neighbor&#8217;s or a neighboring sub land values.  If they are similarly sized, but differently priced, then someone is getting screwed.  </p>
<p>Just remember, your argument needs to be predicated on what happened to your property from Jan 2008 to Dec 2008 and not after.  </p>
<p>Assessments don&#8217;t come out until after the May primary date.  That&#8217;s a crime in my opinion, but it was ever thus and another topic.</p>
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		By: Tax Wonk		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/04/28/cities-likely-to-raise-tax-levy-rate/#comment-12754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tax Wonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To the erics - You are right when you say that some houses impact services at different rates than do others.  However, when you say that, &quot;A house on an acre of land has the same equivalent demands on city services as a house on .19 acres like mine&quot;, you are generally wrong.

The inhabitants of larger homes may only require the same amount of sewage plant as the people in smaller homes.  However, the homes on bigger lots require longer street, sewer, and water lines per home than homes in denser areas.  They also require more fire, EMS, and police investment in order to comply with minimum response times.  Also, to the extent that many of the larger, upscale homes tend to be placed in the foothills, it is more expensive to place and maintain lift stations, steep roads, and other features associated with these areas.  Thus, the cost to serve bigger homes is typically higher than it is for smaller, older, conventional homes.  

I will yield the point that taxes on these larger homes may, or may not, have been enough to cover those costs.   That can only be determined on a case by case basis.

However, the point of my original post remains intact:  To the extent that the appraised values of the larger, often newer, homes is dropping by 30%, but the other, typically smaller and older, home values only drop by 10%, the shift in property taxes moves from the newer homes to the older homes.

And, again, the owners of the older, existing homes will be forced to pick up a greater share of the cost of recent growth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the erics &#8211; You are right when you say that some houses impact services at different rates than do others.  However, when you say that, &#8220;A house on an acre of land has the same equivalent demands on city services as a house on .19 acres like mine&#8221;, you are generally wrong.</p>
<p>The inhabitants of larger homes may only require the same amount of sewage plant as the people in smaller homes.  However, the homes on bigger lots require longer street, sewer, and water lines per home than homes in denser areas.  They also require more fire, EMS, and police investment in order to comply with minimum response times.  Also, to the extent that many of the larger, upscale homes tend to be placed in the foothills, it is more expensive to place and maintain lift stations, steep roads, and other features associated with these areas.  Thus, the cost to serve bigger homes is typically higher than it is for smaller, older, conventional homes.  </p>
<p>I will yield the point that taxes on these larger homes may, or may not, have been enough to cover those costs.   That can only be determined on a case by case basis.</p>
<p>However, the point of my original post remains intact:  To the extent that the appraised values of the larger, often newer, homes is dropping by 30%, but the other, typically smaller and older, home values only drop by 10%, the shift in property taxes moves from the newer homes to the older homes.</p>
<p>And, again, the owners of the older, existing homes will be forced to pick up a greater share of the cost of recent growth.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[erico49/ericn1300-  Most studies on &quot;smart growth&quot; principles suggest moderate and well placed densities have the lowest cost to build and maintain while providing higher property tax revenues.  Ranchettes/McMansions-components of sprawl generally have higher cost in the long run.  Hubble Rubble(5-6 homes per acre) even have higher assesments/acre than Ranchette/McMansions.

The following numbers for assessment/acre:
Eagle Ranchettes-   $474,369
Northend Boise-     $2,242,184
Kuna-               $950,730

Here is a copy of the spreadsheet I created.  http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rVssD0NAec32q6U5Ht9vWHw]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erico49/ericn1300-  Most studies on &#8220;smart growth&#8221; principles suggest moderate and well placed densities have the lowest cost to build and maintain while providing higher property tax revenues.  Ranchettes/McMansions-components of sprawl generally have higher cost in the long run.  Hubble Rubble(5-6 homes per acre) even have higher assesments/acre than Ranchette/McMansions.</p>
<p>The following numbers for assessment/acre:<br />
Eagle Ranchettes-   $474,369<br />
Northend Boise-     $2,242,184<br />
Kuna-               $950,730</p>
<p>Here is a copy of the spreadsheet I created.  <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rVssD0NAec32q6U5Ht9vWHw" rel="nofollow ugc">http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rVssD0NAec32q6U5Ht9vWHw</a></p>
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		By: JIMV		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JIMV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anyone know when the new valuations will be promulgated...the city had my home at $208K last year. Since then 3 identical homes on my street sold for $169K.

EDITOR NOTE--We forgot to put that in!  Assessment notices come out typically at the end of May, usually over the Memorial Day weekend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know when the new valuations will be promulgated&#8230;the city had my home at $208K last year. Since then 3 identical homes on my street sold for $169K.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;We forgot to put that in!  Assessment notices come out typically at the end of May, usually over the Memorial Day weekend.</p>
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