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		By: Tj		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/06/15/nampa-mayor-race-just-got-interesting/#comment-13354</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The mistake many of you are making is assuming that your views and lifestyles - the dominant Christian heteronormative lifestyle - is the &quot;natural&quot; or &quot;proper&quot; or &quot;default&quot; lifestyle - and framing your argument from that assumption. You assume that simply because of some historical materialism - that white Christian heterosexual males have been the powerful and dominant class throughout history, that somehow gets conflated with some universal directive that this identity is the correct one?  

You&#039;re off your rockers if you think this is the case, and that the rest of the world should agree.

Sexuality orientation and gender identity aren&#039;t explicitly &quot;choices.&quot; People that identity outside of the norm aren&#039;t asking for special rights, they&#039;re asking for the same rights that many of us already enjoy. Try reading up a little bit on the latest research, and not hiding behind your dated opinions. 

As for the pedophilia comments, it&#039;s not even the same thing.  This rhetorical fallacy has been addressed ad nauseum in the literature.

The irony here is that the same folks that talk about majority rule are the same ones b*****ng about how the Democrats and Obama are unilaterally imposing their ideology on the rest of the country. So let me get this straight - majority rules when it comes to socio/cultural codes and conduct, but not when it comes to politics?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mistake many of you are making is assuming that your views and lifestyles &#8211; the dominant Christian heteronormative lifestyle &#8211; is the &#8220;natural&#8221; or &#8220;proper&#8221; or &#8220;default&#8221; lifestyle &#8211; and framing your argument from that assumption. You assume that simply because of some historical materialism &#8211; that white Christian heterosexual males have been the powerful and dominant class throughout history, that somehow gets conflated with some universal directive that this identity is the correct one?  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re off your rockers if you think this is the case, and that the rest of the world should agree.</p>
<p>Sexuality orientation and gender identity aren&#8217;t explicitly &#8220;choices.&#8221; People that identity outside of the norm aren&#8217;t asking for special rights, they&#8217;re asking for the same rights that many of us already enjoy. Try reading up a little bit on the latest research, and not hiding behind your dated opinions. </p>
<p>As for the pedophilia comments, it&#8217;s not even the same thing.  This rhetorical fallacy has been addressed ad nauseum in the literature.</p>
<p>The irony here is that the same folks that talk about majority rule are the same ones b*****ng about how the Democrats and Obama are unilaterally imposing their ideology on the rest of the country. So let me get this straight &#8211; majority rules when it comes to socio/cultural codes and conduct, but not when it comes to politics?</p>
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		By: ya right		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TJ,


   What the h e double toothpicks is &quot;heteronormative&quot;? did you just create that word so you could seem smart for all the readers of this page? or did it come from the new and improved &quot;progressive&quot; dictionary you and Mellissa Sue would like to have added to the libraries around this country to further your &quot;progressive&quot; agenda?

   Just because I can&#039;t help it I have to ask did He choose that name for the irony of it or what? 

&quot;Johnny Cash&#039;s song A BOY NAMED SUE&quot;

&quot;maybe HERE&#039;S TO YOU MRS ROBINSON&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ,</p>
<p>   What the h e double toothpicks is &#8220;heteronormative&#8221;? did you just create that word so you could seem smart for all the readers of this page? or did it come from the new and improved &#8220;progressive&#8221; dictionary you and Mellissa Sue would like to have added to the libraries around this country to further your &#8220;progressive&#8221; agenda?</p>
<p>   Just because I can&#8217;t help it I have to ask did He choose that name for the irony of it or what? </p>
<p>&#8220;Johnny Cash&#8217;s song A BOY NAMED SUE&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;maybe HERE&#8217;S TO YOU MRS ROBINSON&#8221;</p>
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		By: ya right		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TJ,


   Then just as I said, going by YOUR logic we need to have PEDOPHILES rights protected too. And of course if I decide I want to wander around downtown bare naked with a sign hung around my neck and an arrow pointing down saying &quot;BORN WITH IT AND KEEPING IT&quot;  That would be ok too then?

   Point being laws are a population based thing, they change with the times and are subject to the times. Don&#039;t give me your wa baby bigot crap because YOUR special interest isn&#039;t getting enough attention and try to convince me or anyone else that I am in some way &quot;intolerant&quot; or whatever the crappy lil catch phrase of the day is. MAJORITY RULES in this country it is called democracy, we vote people into office based on the majority of votes, remember that lil concept from school?

   So now &quot;mellissa sue&quot; is trying to gain attention for HIS special interest and as the concept works if HE gets enough people to believe in HIS point of view they can vote a &quot;transgendered&quot; person into office and change laws their way... Get that concept?

   Now here is where it just breaks the hearts of lil freaks of nature in this simple system I also get MY RIGHTS TOO, and it is MY RIGHT (especially since I did my time in military) MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT! to tell you and those like you, you keep your PERSONAL sexual choices behind closed doors and respect the MAJORITY that determined the laws of the land!

GET IT?  How is THAT for a freedom concept is that a B--ch?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ,</p>
<p>   Then just as I said, going by YOUR logic we need to have PEDOPHILES rights protected too. And of course if I decide I want to wander around downtown bare naked with a sign hung around my neck and an arrow pointing down saying &#8220;BORN WITH IT AND KEEPING IT&#8221;  That would be ok too then?</p>
<p>   Point being laws are a population based thing, they change with the times and are subject to the times. Don&#8217;t give me your wa baby bigot crap because YOUR special interest isn&#8217;t getting enough attention and try to convince me or anyone else that I am in some way &#8220;intolerant&#8221; or whatever the crappy lil catch phrase of the day is. MAJORITY RULES in this country it is called democracy, we vote people into office based on the majority of votes, remember that lil concept from school?</p>
<p>   So now &#8220;mellissa sue&#8221; is trying to gain attention for HIS special interest and as the concept works if HE gets enough people to believe in HIS point of view they can vote a &#8220;transgendered&#8221; person into office and change laws their way&#8230; Get that concept?</p>
<p>   Now here is where it just breaks the hearts of lil freaks of nature in this simple system I also get MY RIGHTS TOO, and it is MY RIGHT (especially since I did my time in military) MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT! to tell you and those like you, you keep your PERSONAL sexual choices behind closed doors and respect the MAJORITY that determined the laws of the land!</p>
<p>GET IT?  How is THAT for a freedom concept is that a B&#8211;ch?</p>
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		By: Mr. Watcher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It works both ways. Tolerance isn’t just for people you like or approve of. It’s for everyone. Quite simply, it’s ridiculous to think that others not only have to share your lifestyle, but also strive to live in a way as not to offend you.

This matter is not about &quot;tolerance&quot; its about elected leaders who would be behind making new laws that give selected lifestyles special rights. 
Read what I posted up the thread. I made a point to support anyone&#039;s choice of the lifestyle that they want to live. However this isn&#039;t what you are after with your &quot;tolerance&quot; lecture, not even a little bit. You are really saying you want special rights but just hiding it behind &quot;tolerance&quot;. 
Many times people who make lifestyle choices that are outside of the main stream. Demand &quot;tolerance&quot; code word for &quot;special rights&quot; yet refuse to allow anyone else&#039;s view points in the mix that do not go along with their views on the topic. 
On to your point about teaching my children anything that I want. Shows clearly that homosexuals are indeed after the minds of American&#039;s children to under mind the teachings in the Christian homes, truth be told. Being on the subject of teaching children, you choice. I have one question for you: Why is it that children that live in homes where both partners are homosexual are 7 times more likely to become homosexuals themselves? It sure sounds or looks like that these children are not giving a choice and are pushed into a life of homosexual activities because the adults do not allow tolerance in the home. 
I can&#039;t imagine the books this person running for mayor of Nampa would demand be put on display in the Nampa public library.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It works both ways. Tolerance isn’t just for people you like or approve of. It’s for everyone. Quite simply, it’s ridiculous to think that others not only have to share your lifestyle, but also strive to live in a way as not to offend you.</p>
<p>This matter is not about &#8220;tolerance&#8221; its about elected leaders who would be behind making new laws that give selected lifestyles special rights.<br />
Read what I posted up the thread. I made a point to support anyone&#8217;s choice of the lifestyle that they want to live. However this isn&#8217;t what you are after with your &#8220;tolerance&#8221; lecture, not even a little bit. You are really saying you want special rights but just hiding it behind &#8220;tolerance&#8221;.<br />
Many times people who make lifestyle choices that are outside of the main stream. Demand &#8220;tolerance&#8221; code word for &#8220;special rights&#8221; yet refuse to allow anyone else&#8217;s view points in the mix that do not go along with their views on the topic.<br />
On to your point about teaching my children anything that I want. Shows clearly that homosexuals are indeed after the minds of American&#8217;s children to under mind the teachings in the Christian homes, truth be told. Being on the subject of teaching children, you choice. I have one question for you: Why is it that children that live in homes where both partners are homosexual are 7 times more likely to become homosexuals themselves? It sure sounds or looks like that these children are not giving a choice and are pushed into a life of homosexual activities because the adults do not allow tolerance in the home.<br />
I can&#8217;t imagine the books this person running for mayor of Nampa would demand be put on display in the Nampa public library.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul:
Thanks for the references; will read them when it&#039;s not early a.m., and my eyes are open.

To those who were saying, &quot;I do not support passing laws offering them special rights because of their lifestyle choice.&quot;: I&#039;ve never heard any of them ask for special rights. They just want the same rights other people have: To marry, to be judged for a job by their qualifications rather than their sex or color or whatever.

As for Mr. Hetero male who says people shouldn&#039;t flaunt their sexual &quot;orientation&quot; or &quot;preference&quot; or whatever: That&#039;s exactly what he just did by making sure we know he&#039;s hetero, not homo. Frankly, Mr. Hetero, I don&#039;t give a damn what your sexual situation is, and you do have a right to your opinion, though bigoted it may be, but others should have that same right, too (not a special right) to be what they are, as long as they don&#039;t try to force it onto other people, just as you shouldn&#039;t try to force your sexual orientation or preference onto other people.

It took a long time for women to get the right to vote and be recognized as equal under most laws; It took a long time for blacks to get the right to be free people instead of slaves, and get the right to vote, own property, run for office, etc. And both groups are still working toward full equality.
So, I guess bigots who no longer can shun people for being female or black just had to find someone else to shun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:<br />
Thanks for the references; will read them when it&#8217;s not early a.m., and my eyes are open.</p>
<p>To those who were saying, &#8220;I do not support passing laws offering them special rights because of their lifestyle choice.&#8221;: I&#8217;ve never heard any of them ask for special rights. They just want the same rights other people have: To marry, to be judged for a job by their qualifications rather than their sex or color or whatever.</p>
<p>As for Mr. Hetero male who says people shouldn&#8217;t flaunt their sexual &#8220;orientation&#8221; or &#8220;preference&#8221; or whatever: That&#8217;s exactly what he just did by making sure we know he&#8217;s hetero, not homo. Frankly, Mr. Hetero, I don&#8217;t give a damn what your sexual situation is, and you do have a right to your opinion, though bigoted it may be, but others should have that same right, too (not a special right) to be what they are, as long as they don&#8217;t try to force it onto other people, just as you shouldn&#8217;t try to force your sexual orientation or preference onto other people.</p>
<p>It took a long time for women to get the right to vote and be recognized as equal under most laws; It took a long time for blacks to get the right to be free people instead of slaves, and get the right to vote, own property, run for office, etc. And both groups are still working toward full equality.<br />
So, I guess bigots who no longer can shun people for being female or black just had to find someone else to shun.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m disappointed that Dave Frazier has allowed such hateful and ad hominem things to be posted on his site.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disappointed that Dave Frazier has allowed such hateful and ad hominem things to be posted on his site.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nampa is an industrial town.]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem with candidates like this is that they run in order to promote specific, and sometimes personal, agendas, which is not what elected people are supposed to be doing.

Elected officials are supposed to represent the best interests of the taxpayers.  Period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with candidates like this is that they run in order to promote specific, and sometimes personal, agendas, which is not what elected people are supposed to be doing.</p>
<p>Elected officials are supposed to represent the best interests of the taxpayers.  Period.</p>
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		By: Tj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ya Right, 

I really don’t know where to begin.  First, I’m sorry you live cloaked in ignorance and fear.  I’d hope you’re able to educate yourself and join this century sometime soon.  

Second, the world doesn’t have to subscribe by your standards.  Are you really that arrogant as to think that ONLY YOUR VALUES COUNT, that only your values are the “correct” values?

It works both ways.  Tolerance isn’t just for people you like or approve of.  It’s for everyone.  Quite simply, it’s ridiculous to think that others not only have to share your lifestyle, but also strive to live in a way as not to offend you. 

Yes, you have a right to your opinions, values, and lifestyle.  You can teach your kids whatever the heck you want to teach them.  But what you can’t do is expect the rest of the world to change or conform in such a way as not to “expose” your children to something other than the cloistered life you’ve given them. 

And frankly, so long as heteronormative values are in full display in public, so to can and should other non heteronormative values.  Gays and transgendered people have every right to “flaunt” their identity in public as you do when you walk down the street holding your wife&#039;s hand.  That freedom concept is a real b—ch, isn’t it?

Lastly, if even Dick Cheney can get it, I’m sure you can come around as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya Right, </p>
<p>I really don’t know where to begin.  First, I’m sorry you live cloaked in ignorance and fear.  I’d hope you’re able to educate yourself and join this century sometime soon.  </p>
<p>Second, the world doesn’t have to subscribe by your standards.  Are you really that arrogant as to think that ONLY YOUR VALUES COUNT, that only your values are the “correct” values?</p>
<p>It works both ways.  Tolerance isn’t just for people you like or approve of.  It’s for everyone.  Quite simply, it’s ridiculous to think that others not only have to share your lifestyle, but also strive to live in a way as not to offend you. </p>
<p>Yes, you have a right to your opinions, values, and lifestyle.  You can teach your kids whatever the heck you want to teach them.  But what you can’t do is expect the rest of the world to change or conform in such a way as not to “expose” your children to something other than the cloistered life you’ve given them. </p>
<p>And frankly, so long as heteronormative values are in full display in public, so to can and should other non heteronormative values.  Gays and transgendered people have every right to “flaunt” their identity in public as you do when you walk down the street holding your wife&#8217;s hand.  That freedom concept is a real b—ch, isn’t it?</p>
<p>Lastly, if even Dick Cheney can get it, I’m sure you can come around as well.</p>
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		By: Mr. Watcher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why do people assume that the quest for “equal” rights equates to “special” rights?

Because passing laws for lifestyles is without question &quot;special rights&quot;. 
I have always said, that I like redheads so you tell me how the person interviewing me for a job would know that if I didn&#039;t tell them that. Which makes the simple fact clear, if someone has a very different lifestyle choice how would an interviewer know this without being told. Such information has no place in a job interview but these folks would like to have laws passed so they can confront job interviewers with such information so they can file lawsuits if they don&#039;t get the job because the laws are in their court to do so. 
That my friend is why we call it, Special Rights. Get it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people assume that the quest for “equal” rights equates to “special” rights?</p>
<p>Because passing laws for lifestyles is without question &#8220;special rights&#8221;.<br />
I have always said, that I like redheads so you tell me how the person interviewing me for a job would know that if I didn&#8217;t tell them that. Which makes the simple fact clear, if someone has a very different lifestyle choice how would an interviewer know this without being told. Such information has no place in a job interview but these folks would like to have laws passed so they can confront job interviewers with such information so they can file lawsuits if they don&#8217;t get the job because the laws are in their court to do so.<br />
That my friend is why we call it, Special Rights. Get it?</p>
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