Comments on: First Responders In Gunfight With Hero

By: Eye

Eye — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:36:56 +0000

when officers arrive they don’t know whether or not they are dealing with a ‘hero’. Officers and anyone else can only be judged by what they know at the time, which in this case was a barricaded subject, who has already fired rounds, pointing a weapon at them. As for the missed rounds, maybe the man was behind cover and in a position where he couldn’t be flanked (he does have military training). It’s real easy to judge when you aren’t the one on the ground making split second decisions unless you count all the hours you have logged on playstation.

By: Zippo

Zippo — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:07:14 +0000

Not all the facts are here… and remember that history is kept by the victor… so may never be the real facts. Seems there is a bit too much shooting and not enough thinking around here in general though. If I lived in the building all shot full of holes… mostly by the coppers… we’d be having a unpleasent chat will the mayor.

By: Deadmeat

Deadmeat — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:38:18 +0000

Thank you Mr. Nice…I wish I had said it that well.

By: ron

ron — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:29:54 +0000

Thank God the cops dont have a civilian reveiw board with idiots like these who know what police tactics work best.

I sure hope the cops “overreact, shoot first ask questions later” when one of my loved ones was just shot at and being stuck in their house unable to get out due to a crazy gunman outside shooting at their door. I hope the cops overreact when some crazy gunman breaks into a stangers apt accross from the last apt he just shot into and fired more shots. I am gald we have aggressive cops who are willing to have guns pointed at them while while the coward hides behind a door.

The guy broke into someone else apt fired his guns. How would the cops know if he had or had shot someone inside. I quess they could have been nice and let a potential victim bleed to death while they were not agressive.

How about you give the cops your phone number. Next time they need someone to be not agressive and be shot at they can call you and they then leave. Then all you experts in police work and shooting can get killed or allow others to get killed while not being not agressive.

By: Tj

Tj — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:48:04 +0000

Some of you obviously aren’t from around here, or are laughably paranoid that there are stark raving mad lunatics just itching at the chance to shoot up the streets.

Fact of the matter is that this isn’t an isolated incident with the Boise Police. They are known, time and time and time and time and time and time again to overreact. Shoot first, ask later (or now, taze first and ask later).

I have been personally witness to three different occasions in which the BPD overstepped their authority, exercised undue aggressive, or were just plain a-holes in doing their job.

Not suggesting its an easy job for them, or the situations they find themselves in are perfect, but I would think a little more discretion is in order, and until then, such criticisms are warranted.

By: JIMV

JIMV — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:17:11 +0000

“There was no way for the man to hide, move, dodge or any thing else. that is a narrow stair well with only a small landing at the top, about 4′x4′ so that is like shooting fish in a barrel.”

There was a historic shootout where two fellows each carrying two revolvers shot it out across a pool table, emptying all weapons without either one getting hit…

By: Mr. Nice

Mr. Nice — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:54:33 +0000

I understand the role that THE GUARDIAN attempts to fill as local government watchdog and muckracker. I check the site everyday and I believe the vast majority of your posts are insightful and informative. However, the back handed name calling in posts such as this deters from your objectivity and the site itself.

We can read between the lines, these were cops with poor aim on a police force know for over aggression. The suspect was a distraught war veteran armed with a gun. I don’t think labeling all parties involved adds to the story. The comments will usually take the jabs while you can take a higher moral ground. Otherwise the site becomes about you, which I hope is not your goal.

By: bo

bo — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:53:16 +0000

Dave, I truly hope you need the police to save your “objective” azz someday. Karma has a funny way of catching up to people. You should be ashamed of yourself.You should post your phone number so citizens can call you the next time an armed crazy man (with a ar-15) is roaming the streets,and you can show the police how to diffuse it. I can see the headline now. “Local unbiased, humble, perfect, objective, superstar, amazing, journalist, knocks blazing rifle out of crazed assailants hand with a frisbee.” Get a clue, and try to make a positive difference for a change.

By: BoiseCitizen

BoiseCitizen — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:00:05 +0000

I have several thoughts on this. “First Responders in gunfight with hero”. What in the world are first responders? I have seen the term used to describe, Firefighters of all kinds, EMS paramedics, and now Cops. Hmmm, a lazy way to describe public servants. I say call em what they are. Cops, firefighters, Paramedics, etc., a much better description than a generic “first responder”. Secondly there is a term called “combat shooting”, or something like that, the concept being that when in shooting situations people will subconsiously not aim directly at the target for whatever reason. The only way to overcome that is thousands of hours of live fire training. Lastly, I blame George W. Bush for this. The one man who made a decision to invade a country that was not a threat to the United States. From that ONE MAN’S choice to start a war, hundreds of thousands of people, innocent men, women and children have been killed. Thousands of America’s best and brightest youth have been sacrificed, maimed and traumatized. This is just another sad effect of that terrible choice. Sadly it will not be the last episode of it’s kind either.

EDITOR NOTE–As to the “first responder” ref, there is a tendency today to lump all the “emergency” people into the category and declare they can do no wrong. Same for anyone who is in the military…they are all “heroes.” We all have warts and the “Hero and first responder” phrase tends to minimize anyone who isn’t some sort of official. As to the effects of war having adverse affects reaching throughout society, you are spot on. I hope someday was can all just be friends.

By: Spicy

Spicy — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:36:01 +0000

My friend was in the next apartment when this took place. He got his girlfriend and child on the floor, covered them and called 911. No bullets went through his apartment at all, none hit the suspect who was standing at the top of a very narrow stair well. Perhaps a “magic bullet” theory would work well here.

There was no way for the man to hide, move, dodge or any thing else. that is a narrow stair well with only a small landing at the top, about 4’x4′ so that is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Oh yes, the dog that he went looking for (thinking the people up stairs took it, thats why he was up there) was actually asleep in his own house.