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		By: Zippo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/08/24/sneaky-language-in-revised-ordinance/#comment-14442</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sound like all you kids have too much of other people&#039;s money to play with... I always teach my kids the difference between a government employee and the people that earn the money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound like all you kids have too much of other people&#8217;s money to play with&#8230; I always teach my kids the difference between a government employee and the people that earn the money.</p>
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		By: Jason		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/08/24/sneaky-language-in-revised-ordinance/#comment-14386</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim:  

I remember a few things about the station 14 Fiasco and I say &quot;Fiasco&quot; because it was.... on both parts.  There was certainly agreement and then disagreement between both parties.  However at the end of the day, evicting M52 from the then Station 21, only served to hurt the citizens because Fire admin was trying to prove a point.  I didn&#039;t agree with the decisions made on our part, but to not have an ambulance in that district so the property would be easier to sell without ACP on the premises was wrong.  It&#039;s that simple.  Pointing fingers and blaming can go on forever and both sides have some valid arguments in the history.  Fragmenting a county wide service delivery for EMS is a step in the wrong direction.  Consolidation is something that BFD is very proactive about when it pertains to Fire Department personnel.  I have yet to see this cross over to EMS.  Why?  

We can work together and I&#039;ve seen it / done it and when it works well.... it works great.  Then something like this BFD ambulance thing pops up and is flown low under the radar hoping that no one will notice, back door deals are made and the only result out of this would be that the citizens once again would suffer and relationships are back to square one.

Experienced paramedics not delivering EMS service is a detriment to public safety regardless of the color of shirt you work in.  Resident doctors don&#039;t treat patients without attending physicians looking over their shoulder and ensuring quality care is delivered.  Paramedicine is no different.  I would like to see a consolidation of all public safety EMS / Fire services with the goal in mind of creating a true EMS / Fire delivery system w/ the option to cross train either way if an individual wanted to do that.  That would also include dissolving the 6 or 7 fire districts and taking that money paid to all redundant staff / admin and putting it back into the system to enhance it through training, equipment, facilities, etc, etc.  With this goal in mind we have the opportunity to create a nationwide model of outstanding care and delivery.  That&#039;s innovation.  That&#039;s cutting edge.  

Let&#039;s all do what&#039;s best for the system.  A grass roots initiative is what that would take because anyone with vested interest right now is looking out only for number 1.  But... it could be done.  And it would be beneficial to all involved.  Maybe not to the respective PACS but certainly the right thing to do for the taxpayers / citizens.  Let&#039;s end the &quot;Us vs. Them&quot; mentality and work toward a logical end and create a &quot;Great&quot; system together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:  </p>
<p>I remember a few things about the station 14 Fiasco and I say &#8220;Fiasco&#8221; because it was&#8230;. on both parts.  There was certainly agreement and then disagreement between both parties.  However at the end of the day, evicting M52 from the then Station 21, only served to hurt the citizens because Fire admin was trying to prove a point.  I didn&#8217;t agree with the decisions made on our part, but to not have an ambulance in that district so the property would be easier to sell without ACP on the premises was wrong.  It&#8217;s that simple.  Pointing fingers and blaming can go on forever and both sides have some valid arguments in the history.  Fragmenting a county wide service delivery for EMS is a step in the wrong direction.  Consolidation is something that BFD is very proactive about when it pertains to Fire Department personnel.  I have yet to see this cross over to EMS.  Why?  </p>
<p>We can work together and I&#8217;ve seen it / done it and when it works well&#8230;. it works great.  Then something like this BFD ambulance thing pops up and is flown low under the radar hoping that no one will notice, back door deals are made and the only result out of this would be that the citizens once again would suffer and relationships are back to square one.</p>
<p>Experienced paramedics not delivering EMS service is a detriment to public safety regardless of the color of shirt you work in.  Resident doctors don&#8217;t treat patients without attending physicians looking over their shoulder and ensuring quality care is delivered.  Paramedicine is no different.  I would like to see a consolidation of all public safety EMS / Fire services with the goal in mind of creating a true EMS / Fire delivery system w/ the option to cross train either way if an individual wanted to do that.  That would also include dissolving the 6 or 7 fire districts and taking that money paid to all redundant staff / admin and putting it back into the system to enhance it through training, equipment, facilities, etc, etc.  With this goal in mind we have the opportunity to create a nationwide model of outstanding care and delivery.  That&#8217;s innovation.  That&#8217;s cutting edge.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s all do what&#8217;s best for the system.  A grass roots initiative is what that would take because anyone with vested interest right now is looking out only for number 1.  But&#8230; it could be done.  And it would be beneficial to all involved.  Maybe not to the respective PACS but certainly the right thing to do for the taxpayers / citizens.  Let&#8217;s end the &#8220;Us vs. Them&#8221; mentality and work toward a logical end and create a &#8220;Great&#8221; system together.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/08/24/sneaky-language-in-revised-ordinance/#comment-14361</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brandon, my buddy, maybe we could discuss the elimination of redundancies that would occur with a &quot;true&quot; consolidation. Lord knows there is &quot;fat&quot; in both of our operations. Let’s focus on your joint for now. Brandon, do you remember the Station 14 fiasco? We, the big and bad and insufferable BFD, offered to co-build a station on Five Mile road to serve the great residents of Southwest Boise. BFD, through the Whitney Fire District would pay the lions share of the costs. Do you remember that? Troy Hagan, all smiles and “Aw shucks”! says that it sounds like a good idea. We proceed through the planning stages and go to the architect to design a station which will co-habitate fire and ems. Any of this ringing a bell? At the last minute, Troy wants to make changes and it causes extra expense with the architect, but the unreasonable and unwieldy people at BFD decide to relent and allow changes because they hate collaboration…WTF? Finally, after we have a station design that both parties agree to, Troy pulls the plug on the project all together and builds a station less than a mile away. Saved the taxpayers a bunch of money there…didn’t you?. One minor example.  2 sets of facilities, no synergy of response, and no real coordination of training. Gee, you ACP people are soooo collaborative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon, my buddy, maybe we could discuss the elimination of redundancies that would occur with a &#8220;true&#8221; consolidation. Lord knows there is &#8220;fat&#8221; in both of our operations. Let’s focus on your joint for now. Brandon, do you remember the Station 14 fiasco? We, the big and bad and insufferable BFD, offered to co-build a station on Five Mile road to serve the great residents of Southwest Boise. BFD, through the Whitney Fire District would pay the lions share of the costs. Do you remember that? Troy Hagan, all smiles and “Aw shucks”! says that it sounds like a good idea. We proceed through the planning stages and go to the architect to design a station which will co-habitate fire and ems. Any of this ringing a bell? At the last minute, Troy wants to make changes and it causes extra expense with the architect, but the unreasonable and unwieldy people at BFD decide to relent and allow changes because they hate collaboration…WTF? Finally, after we have a station design that both parties agree to, Troy pulls the plug on the project all together and builds a station less than a mile away. Saved the taxpayers a bunch of money there…didn’t you?. One minor example.  2 sets of facilities, no synergy of response, and no real coordination of training. Gee, you ACP people are soooo collaborative.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/08/24/sneaky-language-in-revised-ordinance/#comment-14340</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Womack - if you have this data please post it here - - - - The Fire Fighters have outlined several principles they would like to see addressed through Professional Services Agreement between the City of Boise and Ada County, including:
• Joint Deployment Model
• Scene Management
• Medical Protocols
• Use of Fire Department Facilities

I want to see your outlines. 
Please put your data up...or we will assume your don&#039;t really have any.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Womack &#8211; if you have this data please post it here &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; The Fire Fighters have outlined several principles they would like to see addressed through Professional Services Agreement between the City of Boise and Ada County, including:<br />
• Joint Deployment Model<br />
• Scene Management<br />
• Medical Protocols<br />
• Use of Fire Department Facilities</p>
<p>I want to see your outlines.<br />
Please put your data up&#8230;or we will assume your don&#8217;t really have any.</p>
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		By: interested		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/08/24/sneaky-language-in-revised-ordinance/#comment-14326</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[interested]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s okay Brandon.  As WOW put it, the good ol FD is &quot;taking the high road&quot; on this one.  I would like to know what road BFD is on so I can get some information about these issues as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s okay Brandon.  As WOW put it, the good ol FD is &#8220;taking the high road&#8221; on this one.  I would like to know what road BFD is on so I can get some information about these issues as well.</p>
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		By: Brandon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems like the main argument against BFD going into the transport service is cost. Those that seem to support it keep saying they can do it cheaper but have yet to explain how. Anybody out there want to help a brother out on this? I am always about saving taxpayer money and we are waiting for you to explain HOW you will do this, as you continue to state. Anybody?????? Hummel? Doan? Mayor? Womack? City counsel? Somebody? Anybody?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like the main argument against BFD going into the transport service is cost. Those that seem to support it keep saying they can do it cheaper but have yet to explain how. Anybody out there want to help a brother out on this? I am always about saving taxpayer money and we are waiting for you to explain HOW you will do this, as you continue to state. Anybody?????? Hummel? Doan? Mayor? Womack? City counsel? Somebody? Anybody?</p>
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		By: Alan		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/08/24/sneaky-language-in-revised-ordinance/#comment-14320</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Womack, 
Your message included &quot;Boise Fire has been studying an integrated system using a joint deployment model with the county to improve response times and reduce cost&quot;.  Nice rhetoric.  Since you ducked out on the Town Hall meeting, perhaps you could explain how moving an ambulance into a station where one already exists, all courtesy of Boise City taxpayers,  will improve response times or reduce cost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Womack,<br />
Your message included &#8220;Boise Fire has been studying an integrated system using a joint deployment model with the county to improve response times and reduce cost&#8221;.  Nice rhetoric.  Since you ducked out on the Town Hall meeting, perhaps you could explain how moving an ambulance into a station where one already exists, all courtesy of Boise City taxpayers,  will improve response times or reduce cost.</p>
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		By: Alan		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/08/24/sneaky-language-in-revised-ordinance/#comment-14318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Womack is well aware that the BFD position on taking over transportation from Ada County is not justifiable from the position of service provision or financial feasibility.  &quot;Americas Bravest&quot; along with their purchased mayor, do not want to suffer the humiliating public exposure of their proposal to throw the taxpayer under the bus only to grow their union.  This is an act of cowardice]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Womack is well aware that the BFD position on taking over transportation from Ada County is not justifiable from the position of service provision or financial feasibility.  &#8220;Americas Bravest&#8221; along with their purchased mayor, do not want to suffer the humiliating public exposure of their proposal to throw the taxpayer under the bus only to grow their union.  This is an act of cowardice</p>
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		By: Lisa		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/08/24/sneaky-language-in-revised-ordinance/#comment-14315</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Womack, I doubt you&#039;ll reply to my post but I&#039;ll inform you of some facts here. BG has remained very neutral as to who has the bigger ems stick, BFD or ACEMS. I believe BG&#039;s concern is how Boise&#039;s Mayor and Fire Chief are going about getting an ALS Transport service, behind the scenes meeting (You&#039;ve probably been involved in some), doing things on the sly to keep their efforts for an ALS Tramsport quiet until all the parts are in place, in general hiding from public scrutiny on the issue. You want public support Mr. Womack then you better be more open with the public, that includes You, the Fire Chief, and the Mayor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Womack, I doubt you&#8217;ll reply to my post but I&#8217;ll inform you of some facts here. BG has remained very neutral as to who has the bigger ems stick, BFD or ACEMS. I believe BG&#8217;s concern is how Boise&#8217;s Mayor and Fire Chief are going about getting an ALS Transport service, behind the scenes meeting (You&#8217;ve probably been involved in some), doing things on the sly to keep their efforts for an ALS Tramsport quiet until all the parts are in place, in general hiding from public scrutiny on the issue. You want public support Mr. Womack then you better be more open with the public, that includes You, the Fire Chief, and the Mayor.</p>
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		By: lesstaxesplz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lesstaxesplz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Complete B.S. Womack, Hummel you should be ashamed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complete B.S. Womack, Hummel you should be ashamed.</p>
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