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		By: Gordon		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/09/16/boise-weighs-in-on-health-care/#comment-14790</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, the arguments are finished. Once Obama and team hear what BOISE wants, that&#039;s it!
Duh!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, the arguments are finished. Once Obama and team hear what BOISE wants, that&#8217;s it!<br />
Duh!</p>
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		By: cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/09/16/boise-weighs-in-on-health-care/#comment-14781</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sisyphus, I would invite you to re-read your last two posts. With all respect, you failed to say anything of substance in either one. All of the double-talking points you are accusing others of, you have just accomplished yourself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sisyphus, I would invite you to re-read your last two posts. With all respect, you failed to say anything of substance in either one. All of the double-talking points you are accusing others of, you have just accomplished yourself.</p>
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		By: Sisyphus		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/09/16/boise-weighs-in-on-health-care/#comment-14775</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sisyphus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jon I notice you are omitting the same evidence you accuse Ms. Clegg of lacking. Please provide the support you have for illegals costing us billions of dollars and put it into the context of the total cost of health care reform scenario. Teabaggers tend to look at immigration reform as the panacea to all of America&#039;s problems but their numbers don&#039;t hold up to scrutiny.

And nobody disagrees, except maybe you, that our health care system is by far the most expensive on the planet yet we rank relatively low on key markers like infant mortality and life span. It is why the reform issue surfaces perennially.

I&#039;m also thinking that your attack on Ms. Clegg is entirely misdirected when you should be addressing that issue to your congressman or the president, who I&#039;m quite sure stated repeatedly illegals won&#039;t be able to participate in the reform programs but certainly will if the status quo is maintained.  If that&#039;s the issue then you&#039;d best be talking to your buddy Sharon on the County Board.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jon I notice you are omitting the same evidence you accuse Ms. Clegg of lacking. Please provide the support you have for illegals costing us billions of dollars and put it into the context of the total cost of health care reform scenario. Teabaggers tend to look at immigration reform as the panacea to all of America&#8217;s problems but their numbers don&#8217;t hold up to scrutiny.</p>
<p>And nobody disagrees, except maybe you, that our health care system is by far the most expensive on the planet yet we rank relatively low on key markers like infant mortality and life span. It is why the reform issue surfaces perennially.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also thinking that your attack on Ms. Clegg is entirely misdirected when you should be addressing that issue to your congressman or the president, who I&#8217;m quite sure stated repeatedly illegals won&#8217;t be able to participate in the reform programs but certainly will if the status quo is maintained.  If that&#8217;s the issue then you&#8217;d best be talking to your buddy Sharon on the County Board.</p>
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		By: Sisyphus		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/09/16/boise-weighs-in-on-health-care/#comment-14774</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sisyphus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LOL.  Are the teabaggers making serious points?  They&#039;re spewing misinformation solely on the basis that they got it from a &#039;trusted&#039; source, Glen Beck or a mass email. 
They use fallacious pejorative terms like fascist and socialist all out of context, falsely accusing the existence of death panels in order to scare seniors.  They (you) are very difficult to take seriously and in my book quite worthy of derision, intentionally or otherwise.

Its kinda laughable that you have to explain the double entendre to accuse us of childishness even while acknowledging the serious point.  And then you fail to grapple with the point or even the thread.  Ironically you came online just to engage in the self same name calling you decry in others who may or may not have been aware of it.  At least we&#039;re the ones engaging in substantive dialogue instead of relying on unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks. And last I checked they&#039;re proud of their name.  Nobody chose it for them.  OY.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  Are the teabaggers making serious points?  They&#8217;re spewing misinformation solely on the basis that they got it from a &#8216;trusted&#8217; source, Glen Beck or a mass email.<br />
They use fallacious pejorative terms like fascist and socialist all out of context, falsely accusing the existence of death panels in order to scare seniors.  They (you) are very difficult to take seriously and in my book quite worthy of derision, intentionally or otherwise.</p>
<p>Its kinda laughable that you have to explain the double entendre to accuse us of childishness even while acknowledging the serious point.  And then you fail to grapple with the point or even the thread.  Ironically you came online just to engage in the self same name calling you decry in others who may or may not have been aware of it.  At least we&#8217;re the ones engaging in substantive dialogue instead of relying on unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks. And last I checked they&#8217;re proud of their name.  Nobody chose it for them.  OY.</p>
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		By: Amused		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting to see people use the term &quot;teabagger&quot; while trying to make a serious point about a national issue.  Do you all realize that &quot;teabagger&quot; is slang for a sexual act??  If you truly want to win minds and hearts, you may want to grow up a bit and start talking like mature adults.  Name calling is just as bad as using expletives - it tells me you&#039;re not intelligent enough to have a civilized, in-depth conversation about an issue so your resort to ignorant speech.  Just a thought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see people use the term &#8220;teabagger&#8221; while trying to make a serious point about a national issue.  Do you all realize that &#8220;teabagger&#8221; is slang for a sexual act??  If you truly want to win minds and hearts, you may want to grow up a bit and start talking like mature adults.  Name calling is just as bad as using expletives &#8211; it tells me you&#8217;re not intelligent enough to have a civilized, in-depth conversation about an issue so your resort to ignorant speech.  Just a thought.</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/09/16/boise-weighs-in-on-health-care/#comment-14765</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is unfortunate that the so called teabaggers really think they stand for freedom and free enterprise. The power players behind them support the status quo period. Let a teabagger get cancer and loose his job and find out his new employers insurance won&#039;t cover the pre-existing condition and that person will cease to promote what ever it is teabaggers think they stand for. Is health care in the US really considered free enterprise as it works right now?
Seems the only healthcare reform teabaggers support is the SINGLE PRAYER HEALTHCARE option. 

Why not start with free birth control and vasectomies for everyone regardless of income. A nurse practitioner can do a VAS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate that the so called teabaggers really think they stand for freedom and free enterprise. The power players behind them support the status quo period. Let a teabagger get cancer and loose his job and find out his new employers insurance won&#8217;t cover the pre-existing condition and that person will cease to promote what ever it is teabaggers think they stand for. Is health care in the US really considered free enterprise as it works right now?<br />
Seems the only healthcare reform teabaggers support is the SINGLE PRAYER HEALTHCARE option. </p>
<p>Why not start with free birth control and vasectomies for everyone regardless of income. A nurse practitioner can do a VAS.</p>
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		By: jon		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/09/16/boise-weighs-in-on-health-care/#comment-14760</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a discussion with Elaine Clegg about her vote on the resolution and my concern with it. I do believe the Federal Government has dropped the ball on ILLEGAL immigration, and on regulating the banking and insurance industries. I would not object to the City asking the Federal Government to focus on those issues. I do object to Section 3 of Resolution R-266-09, particularly “expanding existing public sector health care programs, such as Medicare, State Children’s Health Insurance Program, and Medicaid, including a public health plan option”. 

She justifies the Resolution based on escalating health care costs, which, when questioned, turn out to be health care insurance costs for the City’s employees. She wants the Federal Government to consider all options, never mind the mismanagement and fraud that plagues Medicare and Medicaid. She claims that the public health care in European countries, with the public health care option is less costly, but has no data on costs, deductibles, and limits for individuals. She claims that our health care costs billions of dollars more than these Euro countries, but is reluctant to acknowledge that ILLEGAL immigrants are costing Medicare billions of dollars. 

My ancestors are immigrants (LEGAL), and they were not allowed to board ship in Liverpool (turned back to Russia) because of health problems, which prevented them becoming a burden to the American health care system. We do not know what health care problems ILLEGAL immigrants bring us and ILLEGAL immigrants ARE a health care burden. My final issue with the “public health plan option” is the Federal Government should be a better REFEREE, and not be a PLAYER. The PLAYERS are the private sector insurers and health care providers. 

If the Federal Government becomes a PLAYER in the insurance business game, Elaine of all people, should be aware of the questionable ethics of having the REFEREE provided from the opposition. The City should insist on the Federal Government becoming better REFEREES and stay out of the private sector!

“Section 3. That the City of Boise urges Congress and Administration to achieve the goal of health care for all Americans by expanding existing public sector health care programs, such as Medicare, State Children’s Health Insurance Program, and Medicaid, including a public health plan option, maintaining cost-effective and efficient private-sector health insurance options, and addressing access and disparity issues in health care experienced by many Americans.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion with Elaine Clegg about her vote on the resolution and my concern with it. I do believe the Federal Government has dropped the ball on ILLEGAL immigration, and on regulating the banking and insurance industries. I would not object to the City asking the Federal Government to focus on those issues. I do object to Section 3 of Resolution R-266-09, particularly “expanding existing public sector health care programs, such as Medicare, State Children’s Health Insurance Program, and Medicaid, including a public health plan option”. </p>
<p>She justifies the Resolution based on escalating health care costs, which, when questioned, turn out to be health care insurance costs for the City’s employees. She wants the Federal Government to consider all options, never mind the mismanagement and fraud that plagues Medicare and Medicaid. She claims that the public health care in European countries, with the public health care option is less costly, but has no data on costs, deductibles, and limits for individuals. She claims that our health care costs billions of dollars more than these Euro countries, but is reluctant to acknowledge that ILLEGAL immigrants are costing Medicare billions of dollars. </p>
<p>My ancestors are immigrants (LEGAL), and they were not allowed to board ship in Liverpool (turned back to Russia) because of health problems, which prevented them becoming a burden to the American health care system. We do not know what health care problems ILLEGAL immigrants bring us and ILLEGAL immigrants ARE a health care burden. My final issue with the “public health plan option” is the Federal Government should be a better REFEREE, and not be a PLAYER. The PLAYERS are the private sector insurers and health care providers. </p>
<p>If the Federal Government becomes a PLAYER in the insurance business game, Elaine of all people, should be aware of the questionable ethics of having the REFEREE provided from the opposition. The City should insist on the Federal Government becoming better REFEREES and stay out of the private sector!</p>
<p>“Section 3. That the City of Boise urges Congress and Administration to achieve the goal of health care for all Americans by expanding existing public sector health care programs, such as Medicare, State Children’s Health Insurance Program, and Medicaid, including a public health plan option, maintaining cost-effective and efficient private-sector health insurance options, and addressing access and disparity issues in health care experienced by many Americans.”</p>
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		By: JIMV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 02:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;News flash, Jim is a freeper who likes to look at politics through Fox colored glasses.

The issues upon which Obama campaigned were polled in the only one that matters, last November.&quot;

Actually, I seldom even read Free Republic..Are you a denizen of the swamps of Democrat Underground?

As to the numbers, I would love to see that poll. Anything that has the Odious Pelosi&#039;s negatives under 70% has to be over counting fringe Democrats...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;News flash, Jim is a freeper who likes to look at politics through Fox colored glasses.</p>
<p>The issues upon which Obama campaigned were polled in the only one that matters, last November.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I seldom even read Free Republic..Are you a denizen of the swamps of Democrat Underground?</p>
<p>As to the numbers, I would love to see that poll. Anything that has the Odious Pelosi&#8217;s negatives under 70% has to be over counting fringe Democrats&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sisyphus		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/09/16/boise-weighs-in-on-health-care/#comment-14747</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sisyphus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Damn Cyclops, I am sorry to hear about your health care issues.  All the more reason you should be on the bandwagon.  Because this reform movement is quite precarious and if the tea baggers get their way, the insurance companies are going to be better off than before with tens of millions being forced to sign up with no cost savings realized by the citizens at all. 

The illegals are a drop in the bucket but, in any event, the proposals clearly preclude their participation in the reform. That and tort reform won&#039;t begin to touch the reform necessary for it to be meaningful to you and I.  If private insurance could not find a solution to the the uninsured problem in the last three decades, forcing those people on to the tax rolls, making them sicker and unproductive in the process, then I do not see the harm in government creating a opt in system that is cheaper and easier than what we got.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn Cyclops, I am sorry to hear about your health care issues.  All the more reason you should be on the bandwagon.  Because this reform movement is quite precarious and if the tea baggers get their way, the insurance companies are going to be better off than before with tens of millions being forced to sign up with no cost savings realized by the citizens at all. </p>
<p>The illegals are a drop in the bucket but, in any event, the proposals clearly preclude their participation in the reform. That and tort reform won&#8217;t begin to touch the reform necessary for it to be meaningful to you and I.  If private insurance could not find a solution to the the uninsured problem in the last three decades, forcing those people on to the tax rolls, making them sicker and unproductive in the process, then I do not see the harm in government creating a opt in system that is cheaper and easier than what we got.</p>
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		By: Sisyphus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sisyphus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[News flash, Jim is a freeper who likes to look at politics through Fox colored glasses.

The issues upon which Obama campaigned were polled in the only one that matters, last November.  Given the fierce opposition and its overexposure in the media its not surprising Dems have taken a hit in the polls since they aren&#039;t accomplishing what they were sent to Washington to do.  But by no means has the public turned to Republicans for salvation.


Favorable / Unfavorable
Barack Obama: 55 / 38 (chart)
Nancy Pelosi: 34 / 58
Harry Reid: 30 / 58
Mitch McConnell: 19 / 63
John Boehner: 13 / 63
Democratic Party: 41 / 50
Republican Party: 23 / 67

State of the Country
40% Right Direction, 54% Wrong track 

If anything these numbers demonstrate a general amount of disgust with the current divisive political environment in which nothing gets done. And we all know whose fault that is.  It does not mean they are looking to Republicans to fix it.  Indeed I agree that if something substantive is not done on health care, Democrats will lose next November, particularly the most vulnerable, the blue dogs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News flash, Jim is a freeper who likes to look at politics through Fox colored glasses.</p>
<p>The issues upon which Obama campaigned were polled in the only one that matters, last November.  Given the fierce opposition and its overexposure in the media its not surprising Dems have taken a hit in the polls since they aren&#8217;t accomplishing what they were sent to Washington to do.  But by no means has the public turned to Republicans for salvation.</p>
<p>Favorable / Unfavorable<br />
Barack Obama: 55 / 38 (chart)<br />
Nancy Pelosi: 34 / 58<br />
Harry Reid: 30 / 58<br />
Mitch McConnell: 19 / 63<br />
John Boehner: 13 / 63<br />
Democratic Party: 41 / 50<br />
Republican Party: 23 / 67</p>
<p>State of the Country<br />
40% Right Direction, 54% Wrong track </p>
<p>If anything these numbers demonstrate a general amount of disgust with the current divisive political environment in which nothing gets done. And we all know whose fault that is.  It does not mean they are looking to Republicans to fix it.  Indeed I agree that if something substantive is not done on health care, Democrats will lose next November, particularly the most vulnerable, the blue dogs.</p>
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