Comments on: Trolley Open House Not So Open

By: Clancy

Clancy — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:31:36 +0000

Seems to me that “open house” is for those who have promoted it. “Open meeting” would of let the opposing view be heard.

Now they have hired a $90,000 consultant to market a trolley that doesn’t even have funding yet. It now obvious that Team Dave doesn’t even consider the public’s views in the decision making process.

Sis’s last post is the most well thought argument for the trolley. I think more people are upset not to the novelty but to the circumvention of them as voters in making such a financial decision.

I guess if City Hall ramrod’s this through, I will be sponsoring the first Boise Booze Trolley Folly. I figure 15 or so bars in the 2.6 mile loop out to make for a fun Saturday afternoon.

By: Mr. Watcher

Mr. Watcher — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:27:04 +0000

Zippo, very few of the cars tested fail if they are of the newer types with an O2 sensor. The reasons for this is if any of the sensors goes south, the car will hardly run. Such a car that has a failed MAP, O2, etc. will run by design just well enough to get it to a shop for repair. Even in the land of total government control CA, that state only demands a SMOG inspection and testing every two years.
The valley’s largest problem is government never had impact fees to build tens of thousands of new homes. The people with homes were taxed to pay for new schools, roads, etc. over and over again so the builders who build all of these new homes could not have to pay for impact fees. This caused roads to take on far more use then they were designed to handle which had traffic backed up spewing out smog. So our smog in the valley is caused by government and now we have a problem cause by government, government will come and fix it at our expense. LOL, government is going to save us from itself but its going to cost us. You can’t make this stuff up.
Bottom line: government is making money off of this and pleasing the Godless, creation worshipers in Washington DC.

By: Zippo

Zippo — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:00:44 +0000

FACT CHECK REQUESTED: This is how I understand it. Sorry this a bit off topic (kinda) but could the editor speak to how the valley vehicle pollution testing seems to be just another tax. They’ve been giving us all a $15/yr sniff test with no results. Do they publish how many vehicles don’t pass? I’d really like to know that number. I bet the number is real low. And they get to keep driving anyway after only an effort repair the issue. (A second failure does not mean parking it) Maybe I got it all wrong, but it seems to me we do have too much pollution, but are simply taking money from people rather than actually reducing the LA like pollution.

By: Zippo

Zippo — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:47:47 +0000

I’m gonna buy Dave a train set as a going away gift

By: Mr. Watcher

Mr. Watcher — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:14:32 +0000

Below is the mind set of the people that are running our city. We could go beyond the city but the words below are perfect for Darth Daver and his marry group.
from Atlas Shrugged, p. 413
When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing — when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.

By: JIMV

JIMV — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:55:54 +0000

Run the thing down ParkCenter, through center city and out to the mall with a FEW stops along the way and you would have folk use the trolley. Running in circles around downtown, a few blocks only is a tourist scam.

By: Joan

Joan — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:38:56 +0000

There is one major problem that no one has addressed. I keep hearing people on the news saying that there will be public hearings and the the public will get to comment.

The problem is that even if there are public hearings the mayor and city council have already made up their minds and your testimony will not matter. I have a friend that works at city hall and they say that the issue is already decided. PERIOD. It is just how the mayor and council can create “creative financing” to pull it off.

What citizens should do is write or email the White House and Congress and tell them we do not want the “stimulus” money. With no fed money the path that the mayor and council are on comes to an end.

So you can show up and testify all you want – but it will do no good.

EDITOR NOTE–THIS is why we need a vote of the people. Even an advisory vote that city council and mayor agree to honor….the GUARDIAN will gladly write the ballot question language.

By: Casual Observer

Casual Observer — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:16:21 +0000

Sis, Bad example.

I have never heard anyone claim that hybrid cars are fast. However, the Pro-BUTs make incessant claims that trolleys stimulate development.

Trouble is, none of the fastest growing cities have trolleys, and that has included Boise for the past decade.

By: Dawn

Dawn — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:23:10 +0000

I stopped at the show & tell on the trollys. Ihad several questions to ask them, 1. how sure are they the funds (federal) will be given to them. Answer I got was, they couldn`t be sure.

2. where was the electric coming from and how much. Answer: why of course Idaho power, cost is not known at this time.

3.Who will pay for the maintaince of said trolly. Answer: still working that out.

4. who will be paying the wages of the persons that driving the trollys. Answer: the city of course.

I wasn`t very pleased with the answers I received from those folks. I also asked what the ACHD had for imput on the plan & was told they haven`t gotten that far along as yet.

I don`t think a fish market smells as bad as this Idea the mayor has.

By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:49:42 +0000

Has anyone gone downtown Boise around 10:00 in the morning and observed how many people are out and about. I have and you would think the place was a ghost town.

I have a real tough time with elected officials who want to spend millions for no productive reason. Don’t worry, the studies will be done and the data manipulated by pro-trolley people to frame all of this as the best decision of this century for Boise.

We need to learn to love our cars and busses for the freedom they provide one and all at a reasonably low cost.