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		By: cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15022</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent information ADR. Thank you. The question I would like answered is exactly who put this 90K expenditure on the consent agenda? A name please! I doubt some staffer would do that on their own. It would seem a council member or the mayor would have to specifically request it be put on the agenda that way. Who was it???

EDITOR NOTE--Seems odd as well that a resolution with specific language was also drafted presumably by the legal department and apparently without council knowledge, since they are on record with concerns about public discussion and &quot;potential conflicts of interest.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent information ADR. Thank you. The question I would like answered is exactly who put this 90K expenditure on the consent agenda? A name please! I doubt some staffer would do that on their own. It would seem a council member or the mayor would have to specifically request it be put on the agenda that way. Who was it???</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Seems odd as well that a resolution with specific language was also drafted presumably by the legal department and apparently without council knowledge, since they are on record with concerns about public discussion and &#8220;potential conflicts of interest.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Lucas Baumbach		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15021</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Baumbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My 2009 assessment increased.  I have the paperwork to prove it.  The value of the improvement went up and land down or visa versa for a 15K net increase.  I&#039;m not the only one.  Vis a vis the trolly, I have a study in front of me that says we&#039;re looking at 60K per mile not total.  That would be more like $144,000,000 total for the project as prescribed.  Will we have an unfinished trolly to match the hole in the ground?  If we don&#039;t get new leadership, we will have an urban moat to match the pit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 2009 assessment increased.  I have the paperwork to prove it.  The value of the improvement went up and land down or visa versa for a 15K net increase.  I&#8217;m not the only one.  Vis a vis the trolly, I have a study in front of me that says we&#8217;re looking at 60K per mile not total.  That would be more like $144,000,000 total for the project as prescribed.  Will we have an unfinished trolly to match the hole in the ground?  If we don&#8217;t get new leadership, we will have an urban moat to match the pit.</p>
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		By: AllSeeing		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AllSeeing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where is the money coming from?

To see how much your property tax has gone up go here;

http://www.adacountyassessor.org/propsys/HelpIndex.jsp

On the left of screen, go to “Property Search” and click on
Search by address. 

On this page click “I Accept the Terms of Use” then “Submit”
on bottom of screen.

On this screen type in your address (example:100 W Main St)
change year to “2008” then Click “Submit”.

On this screen your address and parcel number should be on top
click on the “Parcel Number” it will be an R and 10 digits or an 
S with 10 digits.

On this screen you should see your property information and
it may have a photograph of your house. There are 4 tabs above
the photograph, click the middle one “Tax Districts”.

This page will show the taxing districts and their mill rates.
These Levy’s are what you pay in property taxes for each
district. 

Write down your levy for your city.

Now on the top of the page change the tax year to “2009” and
click the tab “Change Year”.

You are now seeing what your levy’s are for this year. You will
see that your city levy “property tax” has increased.

If you live in Boise your city property tax has been increased about
14%............................................over last year&#039;s.

EDITOR NOTE--We doubt the dollar figure has increased that much, if at all.  You are correct the LEVY has increased, but the assessed VALUE has declined in most cases, leaving the total tax about the same in dollars.  You are absolutely correct the LEVY has increased the tax as a percentage of value.  This will no longer put Boise on the &quot;Top 10&quot; lists of places to do business.  

During the boom, total tax was about what it is today, but property was inflated nearly double today&#039;s value in some cases, making Boise appear to be a wonderfully cheap place to live and do business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the money coming from?</p>
<p>To see how much your property tax has gone up go here;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adacountyassessor.org/propsys/HelpIndex.jsp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.adacountyassessor.org/propsys/HelpIndex.jsp</a></p>
<p>On the left of screen, go to “Property Search” and click on<br />
Search by address. </p>
<p>On this page click “I Accept the Terms of Use” then “Submit”<br />
on bottom of screen.</p>
<p>On this screen type in your address (example:100 W Main St)<br />
change year to “2008” then Click “Submit”.</p>
<p>On this screen your address and parcel number should be on top<br />
click on the “Parcel Number” it will be an R and 10 digits or an<br />
S with 10 digits.</p>
<p>On this screen you should see your property information and<br />
it may have a photograph of your house. There are 4 tabs above<br />
the photograph, click the middle one “Tax Districts”.</p>
<p>This page will show the taxing districts and their mill rates.<br />
These Levy’s are what you pay in property taxes for each<br />
district. </p>
<p>Write down your levy for your city.</p>
<p>Now on the top of the page change the tax year to “2009” and<br />
click the tab “Change Year”.</p>
<p>You are now seeing what your levy’s are for this year. You will<br />
see that your city levy “property tax” has increased.</p>
<p>If you live in Boise your city property tax has been increased about<br />
14%&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..over last year&#8217;s.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;We doubt the dollar figure has increased that much, if at all.  You are correct the LEVY has increased, but the assessed VALUE has declined in most cases, leaving the total tax about the same in dollars.  You are absolutely correct the LEVY has increased the tax as a percentage of value.  This will no longer put Boise on the &#8220;Top 10&#8221; lists of places to do business.  </p>
<p>During the boom, total tax was about what it is today, but property was inflated nearly double today&#8217;s value in some cases, making Boise appear to be a wonderfully cheap place to live and do business.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15017</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No-growth?  Okay, &quot;Progressive&quot;... you got me.  Guilty as charged.

I&#039;m also fiscally conservative (don&#039;t like us spending money we don&#039;t have... learned that from my good parents).  I&#039;m also transparency-in-government.  And reluctantly pro-democracy.  (I&#039;m ALWAYS right... but the majority should have a voice, I s&#039;pose.  nudge-nudge, wink-wink.)

Just put it before the voters.  Let&#039;s see if the majority are &quot;progressive&quot; or &quot;luddite.&quot;

(An obvious question arises in this particular situation... is supporting a $60 million 19th-century transportation mode really &quot;progressive&quot;?  My head starts hurting... but I bet that Wheelchair Guy could explain it all.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No-growth?  Okay, &#8220;Progressive&#8221;&#8230; you got me.  Guilty as charged.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also fiscally conservative (don&#8217;t like us spending money we don&#8217;t have&#8230; learned that from my good parents).  I&#8217;m also transparency-in-government.  And reluctantly pro-democracy.  (I&#8217;m ALWAYS right&#8230; but the majority should have a voice, I s&#8217;pose.  nudge-nudge, wink-wink.)</p>
<p>Just put it before the voters.  Let&#8217;s see if the majority are &#8220;progressive&#8221; or &#8220;luddite.&#8221;</p>
<p>(An obvious question arises in this particular situation&#8230; is supporting a $60 million 19th-century transportation mode really &#8220;progressive&#8221;?  My head starts hurting&#8230; but I bet that Wheelchair Guy could explain it all.)</p>
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		By: JamesBond		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15016</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JamesBond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remain steadfast in my position that the only trolley system I will support is one that will take us to the Land of Make Believe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain steadfast in my position that the only trolley system I will support is one that will take us to the Land of Make Believe.</p>
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		By: Against the trolley		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15015</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Against the trolley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yo, ADR, finally went to your blog --

http://noboisestreetcar.blogspot.com

It&#039;s amazing and the most comprehensive one-stop shop I&#039;ve seen explaining why this trolley is CRAZINESS.  

One problem:  how does someone who wants to do something about it and have a private conversation with you get in touch with you??  

(Maybe you could at least post here or on yr blog some kind of email address --even if it&#039;s not yr personal one-- that you will check.)

A few of us want to get with you ASAP.

(I&#039;ll check back on this boise guardian comment site here and your blog to see if you&#039;ve got a contact email or phone posted.  And suggest in yr comments on this subject from now on, you start posting a contact email.  Thx!)

TIME FOR ACTION!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, ADR, finally went to your blog &#8212;</p>
<p><a href="http://noboisestreetcar.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://noboisestreetcar.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing and the most comprehensive one-stop shop I&#8217;ve seen explaining why this trolley is CRAZINESS.  </p>
<p>One problem:  how does someone who wants to do something about it and have a private conversation with you get in touch with you??  </p>
<p>(Maybe you could at least post here or on yr blog some kind of email address &#8211;even if it&#8217;s not yr personal one&#8211; that you will check.)</p>
<p>A few of us want to get with you ASAP.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ll check back on this boise guardian comment site here and your blog to see if you&#8217;ve got a contact email or phone posted.  And suggest in yr comments on this subject from now on, you start posting a contact email.  Thx!)</p>
<p>TIME FOR ACTION!</p>
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		By: cloudnine		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15014</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cloudnine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where&#039;s the folks from Acorn when you need a good PR campaign? I&#039;m sure they could use the money - now that their funding seems to be drying up.

Keep an eye out for more shenanigans in the dark of night.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the folks from Acorn when you need a good PR campaign? I&#8217;m sure they could use the money &#8211; now that their funding seems to be drying up.</p>
<p>Keep an eye out for more shenanigans in the dark of night.</p>
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		By: Gene Fadness		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15013</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Fadness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Progressive. In city after city, where public transit is provided development occurs immediately around key stops. It not only promotes responsible (infill) development, it gets more people out of their cars and also reduces the need for surface parking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Progressive. In city after city, where public transit is provided development occurs immediately around key stops. It not only promotes responsible (infill) development, it gets more people out of their cars and also reduces the need for surface parking.</p>
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		By: Antiphobe		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antiphobe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[have/smoke another Progressive.  even if your esimated outcome was correct, the Guardian article is calling out the sneaky attempt to secure marketing funding, not necessarily debating the value of the project.  if it is as great as you proclaim, then why is all the p.r. needed? to convince us simpleminded folk???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have/smoke another Progressive.  even if your esimated outcome was correct, the Guardian article is calling out the sneaky attempt to secure marketing funding, not necessarily debating the value of the project.  if it is as great as you proclaim, then why is all the p.r. needed? to convince us simpleminded folk???</p>
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		By: Progressive		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/06/take-two-sneaky-trolley-resolution/#comment-15010</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Progressive]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh ye of like minds. Isn&#039;t it nice , and comfy to have no-growth compatriots on this site with whom you can  commiserate, and complain, endlessly,  a cacophony of vitriol, of woe is me.  
Truth is, the trolley would be a boon to downtown Boise, ergo a boon to all of Boise. Downtown boasts more than 40,000 workers and more inhabitants now than no-growth proponents would ever have imagined. Add tourism (downtown Boise is a wonderful place), and ridership is assured. Business will grow, welcome, interesting construction will follow and tax coffers will rise. Then, proponents will vie for a spur - to Hyde Park - to the Depot, etc. That&#039;s the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh ye of like minds. Isn&#8217;t it nice , and comfy to have no-growth compatriots on this site with whom you can  commiserate, and complain, endlessly,  a cacophony of vitriol, of woe is me.<br />
Truth is, the trolley would be a boon to downtown Boise, ergo a boon to all of Boise. Downtown boasts more than 40,000 workers and more inhabitants now than no-growth proponents would ever have imagined. Add tourism (downtown Boise is a wonderful place), and ridership is assured. Business will grow, welcome, interesting construction will follow and tax coffers will rise. Then, proponents will vie for a spur &#8211; to Hyde Park &#8211; to the Depot, etc. That&#8217;s the truth.</p>
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