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		By: Clippityclop		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15392</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clippityclop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess if you were one of the young patients on a ventilator in the ICU this week at Al&#039;s or Luke&#039;s, you&#039;d have a different outlook on the potential seriousness of this illness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess if you were one of the young patients on a ventilator in the ICU this week at Al&#8217;s or Luke&#8217;s, you&#8217;d have a different outlook on the potential seriousness of this illness.</p>
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		By: Follow the Money		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15375</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Follow the Money]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[once again, its all about the profits. Shame on Obama for declaring a state of emergency. I am highly disappointed in him - I am smelling a very big sell out to the pharma companies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once again, its all about the profits. Shame on Obama for declaring a state of emergency. I am highly disappointed in him &#8211; I am smelling a very big sell out to the pharma companies.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15362</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really agree with you Much Ado.  Just seems like we are getting a serious ration of something.  Kind of like the balloon boy episode.  Much hype, not much reality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really agree with you Much Ado.  Just seems like we are getting a serious ration of something.  Kind of like the balloon boy episode.  Much hype, not much reality.</p>
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		By: Much Ado About Nothing		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15356</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Much Ado About Nothing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems to me this is not only the flu we don&#039;t call swine, it is the pandemic we don&#039;t call HYPED!  

The great US of A has been on a stay-scared bent for at least a decade.  The health industry tried as hard as they could to get us wound up about avian flu a few years ago, but it died before it was born.  

They had better luck with swine flu when it killed about 60 people in mexico (or maybe not.  No one seems to what was behind that other than the fact that about 60 people died, and they also had swine flu.)  Since then, swine flue seems to be involved in the deaths of about 1 person in a million.  Keep in mind that these people invariable have &quot;complicating factors&quot;.  In other words, it could well have been something else that &quot;killed&quot; them, but swine flu gets the blame.  

Cutting to the chase, unless you have enough wrong with you that just about anything from a hang-nail or worse will kill you, swine flu is no more problematic than regular flu.  It just has a better PR campaign.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me this is not only the flu we don&#8217;t call swine, it is the pandemic we don&#8217;t call HYPED!  </p>
<p>The great US of A has been on a stay-scared bent for at least a decade.  The health industry tried as hard as they could to get us wound up about avian flu a few years ago, but it died before it was born.  </p>
<p>They had better luck with swine flu when it killed about 60 people in mexico (or maybe not.  No one seems to what was behind that other than the fact that about 60 people died, and they also had swine flu.)  Since then, swine flue seems to be involved in the deaths of about 1 person in a million.  Keep in mind that these people invariable have &#8220;complicating factors&#8221;.  In other words, it could well have been something else that &#8220;killed&#8221; them, but swine flu gets the blame.  </p>
<p>Cutting to the chase, unless you have enough wrong with you that just about anything from a hang-nail or worse will kill you, swine flu is no more problematic than regular flu.  It just has a better PR campaign.</p>
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		By: David Zarkin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Zarkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is one of the best articles you have done lately.  The swine flu vaccine is in short supply in Minnesota and I don&#039;t know if I am considered a priority for this.  Getting the regular flu vaccine wasn&#039;t easy here as well.
The photos are great.  I remember K-Mart located near the river and I was a regular shopper.  Blue light specials et al
Sorry to hear they closed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the best articles you have done lately.  The swine flu vaccine is in short supply in Minnesota and I don&#8217;t know if I am considered a priority for this.  Getting the regular flu vaccine wasn&#8217;t easy here as well.<br />
The photos are great.  I remember K-Mart located near the river and I was a regular shopper.  Blue light specials et al<br />
Sorry to hear they closed.</p>
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		By: sam the sham		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15349</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sam the sham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t fit into any of the &quot;at risk&quot; groups, so I am with you TJ.
We are sliding towards the third world faster than one expected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t fit into any of the &#8220;at risk&#8221; groups, so I am with you TJ.<br />
We are sliding towards the third world faster than one expected.</p>
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		By: Flyonthewall		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15348</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flyonthewall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zip,
I will take a stab at answering your question.  Flus is a virus and vaccines are usually live attenuated (that means less virulent) strains of the virus predicted to cause seasonal flu.  When you get a flu shot it is a best guess coctail of the strains most likely to cause seasonal flu outbreak (local) v. the pandemic (worldwide) we are seeing with H1N1.  

The human immune systems reacts to the antigenic (protein capsule) of the vaccine or if you are unlucky the actual flu.  You body goes into overdrive to produce unique antibodies that will lock up the virus. White cells in your blood will also act to knock out foreign matter in your blood stream.  Think of a puzzle piece that fits in a certain location is how an antibody works.  Your immune response will also trigger the fever reaction as heat kills antigenic invaders as well.  

Viruses unlike a bacterial will invade a cell and use the cells metabolic machinery to produce millions more duplicate virus capsules until the cell expells the newly prduced virus.  When you are sick with the flu your body is reacting with all the immune machinery it can muster to kill the invaders.  Think Space Invaders and the zapper procedure here.  

Viruses will attenuate over time as they move thru the population.  Most of the time they get less virulent but occasionally they can mutate into a more virulent form.  

The folks making the vaccines are playing a guessing game as to which set of viruses will be doing to most damage in a given year.  The very old and very young are the most at risk due to the condition of their respective immune systems.  That is why the older you get the fewer colds you tend to have up to a point where you become old and frail.  Your immune systems has more than likely seen the typical cold  virus and has the memory and antibodies ready to go for most all of the cold viruses in circulation.  

Bacterial infections are susceptable to antibiotics. Virus infestions are not and you are wasting your money trying to kill off a virus with antiboitics.  Not to mention creating stronger bacteria in the process.  There is no such thing as a 100% kill with antibiotics.  The survivors become resistant to antiboitics over time.    

This may be an oversimplification but it will suffice for discussion purposes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zip,<br />
I will take a stab at answering your question.  Flus is a virus and vaccines are usually live attenuated (that means less virulent) strains of the virus predicted to cause seasonal flu.  When you get a flu shot it is a best guess coctail of the strains most likely to cause seasonal flu outbreak (local) v. the pandemic (worldwide) we are seeing with H1N1.  </p>
<p>The human immune systems reacts to the antigenic (protein capsule) of the vaccine or if you are unlucky the actual flu.  You body goes into overdrive to produce unique antibodies that will lock up the virus. White cells in your blood will also act to knock out foreign matter in your blood stream.  Think of a puzzle piece that fits in a certain location is how an antibody works.  Your immune response will also trigger the fever reaction as heat kills antigenic invaders as well.  </p>
<p>Viruses unlike a bacterial will invade a cell and use the cells metabolic machinery to produce millions more duplicate virus capsules until the cell expells the newly prduced virus.  When you are sick with the flu your body is reacting with all the immune machinery it can muster to kill the invaders.  Think Space Invaders and the zapper procedure here.  </p>
<p>Viruses will attenuate over time as they move thru the population.  Most of the time they get less virulent but occasionally they can mutate into a more virulent form.  </p>
<p>The folks making the vaccines are playing a guessing game as to which set of viruses will be doing to most damage in a given year.  The very old and very young are the most at risk due to the condition of their respective immune systems.  That is why the older you get the fewer colds you tend to have up to a point where you become old and frail.  Your immune systems has more than likely seen the typical cold  virus and has the memory and antibodies ready to go for most all of the cold viruses in circulation.  </p>
<p>Bacterial infections are susceptable to antibiotics. Virus infestions are not and you are wasting your money trying to kill off a virus with antiboitics.  Not to mention creating stronger bacteria in the process.  There is no such thing as a 100% kill with antibiotics.  The survivors become resistant to antiboitics over time.    </p>
<p>This may be an oversimplification but it will suffice for discussion purposes.</p>
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		By: Antiphobe		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15347</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antiphobe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A quote from Statesman online article regarding Nampa clinic which mentions Boise clinic.
&quot;In Boise, most people who waited in line got their vaccine, both at the former K-Mart on ParkCenter and the former Comp USA store on Milwaukee, Central District Health spokeswoman Angela Spain said. The 2,500 doses of vaccine were split between the two locations.&quot;

You were there Guardian...sounds like it wasn&#039;t quite the case that &quot;most people who waited in line got their vaccine&quot; ?

EDITOR NOTE--I left prior to running out, but it was reported all 1,200 doses were used by about 1:30 p.m. at the Park Center location.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quote from Statesman online article regarding Nampa clinic which mentions Boise clinic.<br />
&#8220;In Boise, most people who waited in line got their vaccine, both at the former K-Mart on ParkCenter and the former Comp USA store on Milwaukee, Central District Health spokeswoman Angela Spain said. The 2,500 doses of vaccine were split between the two locations.&#8221;</p>
<p>You were there Guardian&#8230;sounds like it wasn&#8217;t quite the case that &#8220;most people who waited in line got their vaccine&#8221; ?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;I left prior to running out, but it was reported all 1,200 doses were used by about 1:30 p.m. at the Park Center location.</p>
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		By: TJ (the elder)		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15344</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ (the elder)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am so glad to be too old to care. Good luck to the young ones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to be too old to care. Good luck to the young ones.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/24/historic-event-fighting-flu-we-dont-call-swine/#comment-15343</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard that this flu comes back for a few years and is real bad on the last year... any experts out there that can say what to expect... will this vaccine help with next year&#039;s strain etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard that this flu comes back for a few years and is real bad on the last year&#8230; any experts out there that can say what to expect&#8230; will this vaccine help with next year&#8217;s strain etc.</p>
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