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		By: Zippo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/29/like-a-rudderless-ship-fire-truck-crashes/#comment-15544</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The firefighters might feel picked on and the cops do too when they make a goof or worse.  But why do they get jumped on?  Because they spend so much time and effort holding themselves out as bigger better stronger faster... but they&#039;re just people like the rest of us.  Very expensive people.  Does the Editor have a budget graph available?  Perhaps with a population growth adjustment to show the expansion of budget $$ vs. population growth?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The firefighters might feel picked on and the cops do too when they make a goof or worse.  But why do they get jumped on?  Because they spend so much time and effort holding themselves out as bigger better stronger faster&#8230; but they&#8217;re just people like the rest of us.  Very expensive people.  Does the Editor have a budget graph available?  Perhaps with a population growth adjustment to show the expansion of budget $$ vs. population growth?</p>
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		By: Muck Raker		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/29/like-a-rudderless-ship-fire-truck-crashes/#comment-15511</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Muck Raker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you suppose the review panel, whatever its form, might consider installing some sort of &quot;pre-authorization&quot; switch the tillerman would be required to activate making it impossible for the vehicle to be driven unless he/she is in place?  If you put it in the tillerman&#039;s seat like one of those irritating seatbelt reminders in passenger vehicles, it would be a no-brainer.

EDITOR NOTE--Honestly M.R. if we had a panel in place they would probably advise the chief, &quot;If there were not proper safeguards in place.  Put them in place.  If they were in place and ignored, take appropriate action.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you suppose the review panel, whatever its form, might consider installing some sort of &#8220;pre-authorization&#8221; switch the tillerman would be required to activate making it impossible for the vehicle to be driven unless he/she is in place?  If you put it in the tillerman&#8217;s seat like one of those irritating seatbelt reminders in passenger vehicles, it would be a no-brainer.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Honestly M.R. if we had a panel in place they would probably advise the chief, &#8220;If there were not proper safeguards in place.  Put them in place.  If they were in place and ignored, take appropriate action.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Who cares?		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/29/like-a-rudderless-ship-fire-truck-crashes/#comment-15507</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Who cares?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fly on the wall, what volumes of paperwork are you speaking of besides the accident report? Is there something else you had to do the public doesn&#039;t?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fly on the wall, what volumes of paperwork are you speaking of besides the accident report? Is there something else you had to do the public doesn&#8217;t?</p>
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		By: Who cares?		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/29/like-a-rudderless-ship-fire-truck-crashes/#comment-15506</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Who cares?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So are the firefighters who caused the accident going to have to pay for the damages they caused through their negligence? Or are the taxpayers picking up the tab?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So are the firefighters who caused the accident going to have to pay for the damages they caused through their negligence? Or are the taxpayers picking up the tab?</p>
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		By: Nemo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/29/like-a-rudderless-ship-fire-truck-crashes/#comment-15505</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just want to add:

It would be my position that once it involves a response, a line of duty injury, a member of the public, another agency, or taxpayer $$, it is not a &quot;personnel matter&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to add:</p>
<p>It would be my position that once it involves a response, a line of duty injury, a member of the public, another agency, or taxpayer $$, it is not a &#8220;personnel matter&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Nemo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is defined as &quot;Personnel Matters&quot;? 

Is someone&#039;s lack of completion of their training a &quot;Personnel Matter&quot;?

Is someone&#039;s poor (or good) Medical performance on scene a &quot;Personnel Matter&quot;?

Is someone throwing a fit, intimidating/harassing another agencies crew or otherwise causing problems on a scene or in station a &quot;Personnel Matter&quot;?


I think it would be important to look at the police ombudsman. Does the Police Ombudsman get involved in &quot;Personnel Matters&quot;, and what is his definition of that? I would be willing to bet its going to be different than what the local fire union wants. 

Sounds like the union is trying once again to shield its own behaviors and its member&#039;s behaviors from public scrutiny under the blanket of &quot;Personnel Matters&quot;, but thats just my suspicion and paranoia.

I&#039;m just over-reacting...right? Its not like such things are really important, right?

;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is defined as &#8220;Personnel Matters&#8221;? </p>
<p>Is someone&#8217;s lack of completion of their training a &#8220;Personnel Matter&#8221;?</p>
<p>Is someone&#8217;s poor (or good) Medical performance on scene a &#8220;Personnel Matter&#8221;?</p>
<p>Is someone throwing a fit, intimidating/harassing another agencies crew or otherwise causing problems on a scene or in station a &#8220;Personnel Matter&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think it would be important to look at the police ombudsman. Does the Police Ombudsman get involved in &#8220;Personnel Matters&#8221;, and what is his definition of that? I would be willing to bet its going to be different than what the local fire union wants. </p>
<p>Sounds like the union is trying once again to shield its own behaviors and its member&#8217;s behaviors from public scrutiny under the blanket of &#8220;Personnel Matters&#8221;, but thats just my suspicion and paranoia.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just over-reacting&#8230;right? Its not like such things are really important, right?</p>
<p>😉</p>
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		By: rodney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rodney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So where is the ombudsman for the firefighters? The public goes crazy if a cop makes a mistake but firefighters make a mistake that could have killed someone and its okay. I dont understand the double standard the public has with public servents.  Instant mistrust of the police and such acceptance of firemen. Fire fighters need an ombudsman!

EDITOR NOTE--You will see a citizen &quot;public safety board&quot; of some sort being proposed within the year.  Done right, it will be endorsed by both chiefs, but it won&#039;t deal with &quot;personnel matters.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where is the ombudsman for the firefighters? The public goes crazy if a cop makes a mistake but firefighters make a mistake that could have killed someone and its okay. I dont understand the double standard the public has with public servents.  Instant mistrust of the police and such acceptance of firemen. Fire fighters need an ombudsman!</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;You will see a citizen &#8220;public safety board&#8221; of some sort being proposed within the year.  Done right, it will be endorsed by both chiefs, but it won&#8217;t deal with &#8220;personnel matters.&#8221;</p>
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		By: aimdee		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/29/like-a-rudderless-ship-fire-truck-crashes/#comment-15492</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aimdee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How does that happen. That would be like an airline pilot forgetting his Co-pilot. Do they not talk to each other. The damage they could have done is HUGE, they got very lucky and thank god that no one was injured.

There should be some sort of violation or disciplinary action taken but what are the chances that will happen. My guess is zero. 

I can hear it now (as far as the fly on the wall goes), &quot;I know Dave but we would still like an ambulance and everything that comes with it if it&#039;s not to much to ask for&quot;. Long pause, which ends with a Bromance hug and an &quot;of course you can still have your ambulance Dennis, your my BOY&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does that happen. That would be like an airline pilot forgetting his Co-pilot. Do they not talk to each other. The damage they could have done is HUGE, they got very lucky and thank god that no one was injured.</p>
<p>There should be some sort of violation or disciplinary action taken but what are the chances that will happen. My guess is zero. </p>
<p>I can hear it now (as far as the fly on the wall goes), &#8220;I know Dave but we would still like an ambulance and everything that comes with it if it&#8217;s not to much to ask for&#8221;. Long pause, which ends with a Bromance hug and an &#8220;of course you can still have your ambulance Dennis, your my BOY&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Lisa		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2009/10/29/like-a-rudderless-ship-fire-truck-crashes/#comment-15491</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just went to shopping, came across a tillerman running down the street chasing his truck offered him a ride . Answer to this problem...Faster Running Tillermen or Lighter Turnout Gear?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just went to shopping, came across a tillerman running down the street chasing his truck offered him a ride . Answer to this problem&#8230;Faster Running Tillermen or Lighter Turnout Gear?</p>
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		By: Wordsmith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wordsmith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The call itself was a false alarm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The call itself was a false alarm.</p>
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