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		By: Yossarian_22		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/01/23/e-will-get-you-passing-grades-on-bikes/#comment-16550</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Subject: Three feet to pass legislation is coming

Three Feet to Pass Legislation is coming at the Idaho Legislature. 

Here are some basic facts and points to make when discussing the issues it raises:

This is safety legislation.  It protects pedestrians and cyclists but also by establishing understandable rules, helps drivers avoid the misery of an injury incident.

Facts on THREE FEET TO PASS

1. The main purpose of the three-feett passing legislation is to educate the public about how far is a safe distance to pass vulnerable road user. Many motorists believe just avoiding contact with a vulnerable road user is all that is required. Most motorists are often unaware of the danger of passing somene else to close too closely. It can result in startling the person leading to a crash from reflexive action/fear.

2. A three-feet law has been enacted in at least 14 states (Arizona (2000), Arkansas (2007), Colorado, (2009), Connecticut (2008) Florida (2006), Illinois (2007), Louisiana (2009), Maine (2007), Minnesota (2004), New Hampshire (2008), Oklahoma (2006), Tennessee (2007), Utah (2006), Wisconsin (1973)). New Jersey has a statute passed by the assembly and now pending in the State Senate. Four other states recommend three feet in regulatory documents--Kentucky, Washington, Kansas, and Texas.

3. The law is used more as an education tool to provide safe practices than as an enforcement tool to punish law breakers. It gives officers, government officials, and civic groups the opportunity to inform drivers what a safe minimum distance is by use of a common measure (3 feet or one yard) that can be easily remembered.

4. No expectation exists that police will have to use some sort of special distance-measuring equipment to see if the motorist is within 36 inches. The point, instead, is to communicate that the motorist needs to pass safely, and 3 feet  better defines a “safe pass.” This benefits police officers by providing a simple standard they can explain.

5. Use of numeric distances to educate the public is not uncommon in traffic laws. For example in Idaho we have 49-634 (200 ft limitation on passing), 49-635 (no passing within 100 ft of an intersection)

6. One concern raised with any three feet law is that it may require a motorist to go over the center line to pass a vulnerable road user. However, crossing the center line to pass a cyclist, farm vehicle, pedestrian is commonly done now. In any event, to avoid any question on this point, the proposed three-feet law includes a provision to clarify that motorists may cross a center line to pass bicyclists or pedestrians in situations that are safe as is the case under 49-635(3) already.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subject: Three feet to pass legislation is coming</p>
<p>Three Feet to Pass Legislation is coming at the Idaho Legislature. </p>
<p>Here are some basic facts and points to make when discussing the issues it raises:</p>
<p>This is safety legislation.  It protects pedestrians and cyclists but also by establishing understandable rules, helps drivers avoid the misery of an injury incident.</p>
<p>Facts on THREE FEET TO PASS</p>
<p>1. The main purpose of the three-feett passing legislation is to educate the public about how far is a safe distance to pass vulnerable road user. Many motorists believe just avoiding contact with a vulnerable road user is all that is required. Most motorists are often unaware of the danger of passing somene else to close too closely. It can result in startling the person leading to a crash from reflexive action/fear.</p>
<p>2. A three-feet law has been enacted in at least 14 states (Arizona (2000), Arkansas (2007), Colorado, (2009), Connecticut (2008) Florida (2006), Illinois (2007), Louisiana (2009), Maine (2007), Minnesota (2004), New Hampshire (2008), Oklahoma (2006), Tennessee (2007), Utah (2006), Wisconsin (1973)). New Jersey has a statute passed by the assembly and now pending in the State Senate. Four other states recommend three feet in regulatory documents&#8211;Kentucky, Washington, Kansas, and Texas.</p>
<p>3. The law is used more as an education tool to provide safe practices than as an enforcement tool to punish law breakers. It gives officers, government officials, and civic groups the opportunity to inform drivers what a safe minimum distance is by use of a common measure (3 feet or one yard) that can be easily remembered.</p>
<p>4. No expectation exists that police will have to use some sort of special distance-measuring equipment to see if the motorist is within 36 inches. The point, instead, is to communicate that the motorist needs to pass safely, and 3 feet  better defines a “safe pass.” This benefits police officers by providing a simple standard they can explain.</p>
<p>5. Use of numeric distances to educate the public is not uncommon in traffic laws. For example in Idaho we have 49-634 (200 ft limitation on passing), 49-635 (no passing within 100 ft of an intersection)</p>
<p>6. One concern raised with any three feet law is that it may require a motorist to go over the center line to pass a vulnerable road user. However, crossing the center line to pass a cyclist, farm vehicle, pedestrian is commonly done now. In any event, to avoid any question on this point, the proposed three-feet law includes a provision to clarify that motorists may cross a center line to pass bicyclists or pedestrians in situations that are safe as is the case under 49-635(3) already.</p>
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		By: Bob T		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/01/23/e-will-get-you-passing-grades-on-bikes/#comment-16536</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clancy, I agree. Not only are these arguments irrelevant but they are also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biketreasurevalley.org/node/431&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inaccurate&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clancy, I agree. Not only are these arguments irrelevant but they are also <a href="http://www.biketreasurevalley.org/node/431" rel="nofollow">inaccurate</a>.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jjmalone: &lt;i&gt;car registration fees help fund roads as do gasoline taxes, how do cyclists contribute?&lt;/i&gt;

Should the people who aren&#039;t paying their &quot;fair share&quot; be run off the road?  Otherwise the question seems irrelevant, like Clancy says. (And previously discussed ad nauseam, here on the Guardian and elsewhere.)

But just in case jjmalone is &quot;new&quot; here, and sincere...

Most cyclists - the adults, at least - own one or more vehicles that they pay registration fees on.  In addition, it may surprise jjmalone that $32 million of ACHD&#039;s $79 million &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.achd.ada.id.us/PDF/Budget/2010/Revenues.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;budget&lt;/a&gt; comes from PROPERTY taxes.  Most cyclists I know live under a roof.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jjmalone: <i>car registration fees help fund roads as do gasoline taxes, how do cyclists contribute?</i></p>
<p>Should the people who aren&#8217;t paying their &#8220;fair share&#8221; be run off the road?  Otherwise the question seems irrelevant, like Clancy says. (And previously discussed ad nauseam, here on the Guardian and elsewhere.)</p>
<p>But just in case jjmalone is &#8220;new&#8221; here, and sincere&#8230;</p>
<p>Most cyclists &#8211; the adults, at least &#8211; own one or more vehicles that they pay registration fees on.  In addition, it may surprise jjmalone that $32 million of ACHD&#8217;s $79 million <a href="http://www.achd.ada.id.us/PDF/Budget/2010/Revenues.pdf" rel="nofollow">budget</a> comes from PROPERTY taxes.  Most cyclists I know live under a roof.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We may need to add standard disclaimer to any bike article.  Something to the effect we are here to discuss safety, education and enforcement.  Any talk about cyclist paying their fair share is not relevant and has been thoroughly discussed previously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may need to add standard disclaimer to any bike article.  Something to the effect we are here to discuss safety, education and enforcement.  Any talk about cyclist paying their fair share is not relevant and has been thoroughly discussed previously.</p>
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		By: cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/01/23/e-will-get-you-passing-grades-on-bikes/#comment-16531</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here we go again! They contribute by not making our crappy air any worse! The also contribute by having fewer cars in front of you on your way to your crappy job downtown!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again! They contribute by not making our crappy air any worse! The also contribute by having fewer cars in front of you on your way to your crappy job downtown!!!!</p>
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		By: jjmalone		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/01/23/e-will-get-you-passing-grades-on-bikes/#comment-16527</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[car registration fees help fund roads as do gasoline taxes, how do cyclists contribute?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>car registration fees help fund roads as do gasoline taxes, how do cyclists contribute?</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/01/23/e-will-get-you-passing-grades-on-bikes/#comment-16526</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title49/T49CH7SECT49-718PrinterFriendly.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The law&lt;/a&gt; (in Idaho): Persons riding bicycles upon a highway shall not ride more than two (2) abreast except on paths or parts of highways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two (2) abreast shall not impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and, on a laned roadway, shall ride within a single lane.

So - it&#039;s legal to ride two abreast on a public road.  However, not if you&#039;re impeding traffic.

The problem isn&#039;t a lack of laws; it&#039;s a question of their enforcement.  If a few of those &quot;elitist jerks&quot; get some wallet-pain, perhaps they&#039;ll try just a bit harder to be good citizens on the streets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title49/T49CH7SECT49-718PrinterFriendly.htm" rel="nofollow">The law</a> (in Idaho): Persons riding bicycles upon a highway shall not ride more than two (2) abreast except on paths or parts of highways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two (2) abreast shall not impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and, on a laned roadway, shall ride within a single lane.</p>
<p>So &#8211; it&#8217;s legal to ride two abreast on a public road.  However, not if you&#8217;re impeding traffic.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t a lack of laws; it&#8217;s a question of their enforcement.  If a few of those &#8220;elitist jerks&#8221; get some wallet-pain, perhaps they&#8217;ll try just a bit harder to be good citizens on the streets.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The elitist jerk two or more abreast blocking traffic can be fixed with a law that says slower traffic give way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elitist jerk two or more abreast blocking traffic can be fixed with a law that says slower traffic give way.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Goodrich/Goodyear etc. can make a tire that survives an aircraft carrier landing, an Indy race, Miles and miles on a longhaul truck... I&#039;d say you bike folks are getting ripped off if all it takes is a Goathead to ruin your fun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Goodrich/Goodyear etc. can make a tire that survives an aircraft carrier landing, an Indy race, Miles and miles on a longhaul truck&#8230; I&#8217;d say you bike folks are getting ripped off if all it takes is a Goathead to ruin your fun.</p>
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		By: Jon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I for one do not want to discourage bicycles from the streets of Boise. I do however agree with those that say riders should take some personal responsibilty. To many times you see cyclists out at dusk or dark wearing the darkest clothes they can find in the closet, running red lights, listening to there IPOD. This is all unexceptable, if I take my auto and run red lights, drive around at night with no headlights or tail lights, and talk on my phone or have head phones in my ears so that I can&#039;t here whats going on around me, then it is my own fault when I get smashed by another motorist. Common sense is an uncommon virtue these days and I think there needs to be more personel resposibility, If a cyclist gets run over while riding the wrong direction, at night, while jammin out to there IPOD oblivious to the rest of the world, well thats just sad. It&#039;s nothing else, it&#039;s just sad that they did not recognize that they were putting themselves in a situation where they could be killed. One more note, ACHD has a hard enough time building and maintaining roads on the revenue they bring in without having to make every road eight to twelve feet wider to accomidate bikes, share the road share the cost. I don&#039;t know just how many miles of main roads there are in this city but eight to twelve feet multiplied buy millions of feet translates into millions of dollars in additional expense.

Everyone be safe and think about what we are doing rather than just going through the motions and the world will be a much better place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one do not want to discourage bicycles from the streets of Boise. I do however agree with those that say riders should take some personal responsibilty. To many times you see cyclists out at dusk or dark wearing the darkest clothes they can find in the closet, running red lights, listening to there IPOD. This is all unexceptable, if I take my auto and run red lights, drive around at night with no headlights or tail lights, and talk on my phone or have head phones in my ears so that I can&#8217;t here whats going on around me, then it is my own fault when I get smashed by another motorist. Common sense is an uncommon virtue these days and I think there needs to be more personel resposibility, If a cyclist gets run over while riding the wrong direction, at night, while jammin out to there IPOD oblivious to the rest of the world, well thats just sad. It&#8217;s nothing else, it&#8217;s just sad that they did not recognize that they were putting themselves in a situation where they could be killed. One more note, ACHD has a hard enough time building and maintaining roads on the revenue they bring in without having to make every road eight to twelve feet wider to accomidate bikes, share the road share the cost. I don&#8217;t know just how many miles of main roads there are in this city but eight to twelve feet multiplied buy millions of feet translates into millions of dollars in additional expense.</p>
<p>Everyone be safe and think about what we are doing rather than just going through the motions and the world will be a much better place.</p>
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