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	Comments on: F-35 Could Double F-15 Noise Level At Gowen	</title>
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		By: Kim Goodman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[F-35&#039;s are now in production at Lockheed Martin in Marietta Georgia. Get ready for MORE NOISE.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F-35&#8217;s are now in production at Lockheed Martin in Marietta Georgia. Get ready for MORE NOISE.</p>
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		By: Kim Goodman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Be aware that when the &quot;Avigation&quot; Easements are passed out, there will be pitiful and puny offers for your easements. The easements give the Government your property rights. The value of your properties will plummet due to the noise factors and tree removal for your &quot;Safety&quot;. When the trees are removed, the noise worsens and the possibility of crashes into homes seems to increase instead. The easements allow the Military to fly whatever type of aircraft they want to, whenever they want to and however they want to. I can personally attest to rude awakenings in the middle of the night, aircraft landing gear over my roof and friends throwing themselves down in my yard screaming because they thought the plane was crashing and they were going to die. Oh yes, I forgot to mention hearing loss as well as other diseases and illnesses that are more prevalent and appear to be worsened by the NOISE. Make sure you go to the Public Meetings to fight the incompatible noise. We never had any meetings - the government just stomped all over us AND the Fair Oaks Elementary School which houses alot of minority children which is blantant discrimination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be aware that when the &#8220;Avigation&#8221; Easements are passed out, there will be pitiful and puny offers for your easements. The easements give the Government your property rights. The value of your properties will plummet due to the noise factors and tree removal for your &#8220;Safety&#8221;. When the trees are removed, the noise worsens and the possibility of crashes into homes seems to increase instead. The easements allow the Military to fly whatever type of aircraft they want to, whenever they want to and however they want to. I can personally attest to rude awakenings in the middle of the night, aircraft landing gear over my roof and friends throwing themselves down in my yard screaming because they thought the plane was crashing and they were going to die. Oh yes, I forgot to mention hearing loss as well as other diseases and illnesses that are more prevalent and appear to be worsened by the NOISE. Make sure you go to the Public Meetings to fight the incompatible noise. We never had any meetings &#8211; the government just stomped all over us AND the Fair Oaks Elementary School which houses alot of minority children which is blantant discrimination.</p>
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		By: MO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There seems to be a bit of ignorance as to the mission of the F-35 in these comments.  The F-35 is not an air superiority fighter, it is a multi-role fighter.  It is intended as an F-16 and A-10 replacement.  An F-35 is primarily intended as performing close air support, suppression of enemy air defense, precision bombing, etc.  It is capable of performing in an air to air role and has a requirement of being at least as maneuverable as an F-16, an aircraft originally intended as a “dogfighter.”

Though it may seem at times that our military is stuck in the past, military planners try to plan for conflicts of the future.  The F-35 can certainly be employed in conflicts such as Iraq or Afghanistan, and will likely be just as effective, if not more so, as the F-16 and F/A-18.  These types of conflicts are likely to be our primary engagements in the next quarter century and the F-35 needs to be able to meet the types of missions these conflicts would generate.  

It would be foolish, in my opinion, to believe that such conflicts are the only future.  The United States is losing its global dominance; not, necessarily, from a decline in our own power, but instead from the rise in the relative power of several other nations.  The world is becoming multi-polar and not all of those powers will be friendly towards us.  China and India are certainly on the rise, and we could be drawn into conflicts involving either country.  Europe, Turkey, Russia, and Brazil are also emerging powers which could be large (or larger in the case of Europe) world players within the next 50 years.  

Though our military is capable of handling conflicts with these nations currently, we would likely be unable to do so in a conflict 25 years from now if we continue to use current equipment.  China and India both operate variations of the SU-30, a plane that is at least as capable as our current assets with the exception of the F-22.  China and India are also likely to have stealth fighters of their own within the next 25 to 50 years.  Today we dominate in terms of technology, assets, and training.  Yet if we let our technology and assets lapse, training alone will not make up for the shortcomings, especially if other nations train their pilots as well as we do.  To ensure that we can win the conflicts of the future we must continue to dominate in the areas of training, assets, and technology; the F-35 is part of that dominance.

As to the noise problem should the F-35 come to Boise, there are ways to mitigate it.  The current Boise airport master plan calls for the construction of a third runway south of the airport by 2025.  Currently a small runway, used as a helicopter assault strip by the Army National Guard, occupies the space.  Should the Air Force decide to station a training wing at Boise this runway could be used as their primary runway.  The area surrounding the runway, and to the south, is sparsely populated currently.  Departing flights could turn south immediately after takeoff.  As long as Ada county allows no residential or commercial development to the south, the noise impact on Boise and surrounding communities would be minimal.

The Air Force has not conducted studies yet for many reasons, they are not trying to hide anything.  The Air Force has not brought the F-35 to Boise to see how it would impact the population because the F-35 is currently in its development and flight test phase.  I would imagine that no spare air frames are available for such a mission.  The F-35 has not yet reached production, has not been introduced into active service, and the Air Force has not reached the point of deciding where all of the F-35 training bases will be.  When the time comes for deciding if the F-35 will have a training base in Boise, the Air Force and Ada county will conduct all the necessary surveys, including noise impact on the surrounding community.

Also, I tend to be left of center on most issues and pretty liberal on certain issues.  Return of the Commie Fighters statements are certainly not characteristic of the liberal mindset, although much of this post was directed at him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a bit of ignorance as to the mission of the F-35 in these comments.  The F-35 is not an air superiority fighter, it is a multi-role fighter.  It is intended as an F-16 and A-10 replacement.  An F-35 is primarily intended as performing close air support, suppression of enemy air defense, precision bombing, etc.  It is capable of performing in an air to air role and has a requirement of being at least as maneuverable as an F-16, an aircraft originally intended as a “dogfighter.”</p>
<p>Though it may seem at times that our military is stuck in the past, military planners try to plan for conflicts of the future.  The F-35 can certainly be employed in conflicts such as Iraq or Afghanistan, and will likely be just as effective, if not more so, as the F-16 and F/A-18.  These types of conflicts are likely to be our primary engagements in the next quarter century and the F-35 needs to be able to meet the types of missions these conflicts would generate.  </p>
<p>It would be foolish, in my opinion, to believe that such conflicts are the only future.  The United States is losing its global dominance; not, necessarily, from a decline in our own power, but instead from the rise in the relative power of several other nations.  The world is becoming multi-polar and not all of those powers will be friendly towards us.  China and India are certainly on the rise, and we could be drawn into conflicts involving either country.  Europe, Turkey, Russia, and Brazil are also emerging powers which could be large (or larger in the case of Europe) world players within the next 50 years.  </p>
<p>Though our military is capable of handling conflicts with these nations currently, we would likely be unable to do so in a conflict 25 years from now if we continue to use current equipment.  China and India both operate variations of the SU-30, a plane that is at least as capable as our current assets with the exception of the F-22.  China and India are also likely to have stealth fighters of their own within the next 25 to 50 years.  Today we dominate in terms of technology, assets, and training.  Yet if we let our technology and assets lapse, training alone will not make up for the shortcomings, especially if other nations train their pilots as well as we do.  To ensure that we can win the conflicts of the future we must continue to dominate in the areas of training, assets, and technology; the F-35 is part of that dominance.</p>
<p>As to the noise problem should the F-35 come to Boise, there are ways to mitigate it.  The current Boise airport master plan calls for the construction of a third runway south of the airport by 2025.  Currently a small runway, used as a helicopter assault strip by the Army National Guard, occupies the space.  Should the Air Force decide to station a training wing at Boise this runway could be used as their primary runway.  The area surrounding the runway, and to the south, is sparsely populated currently.  Departing flights could turn south immediately after takeoff.  As long as Ada county allows no residential or commercial development to the south, the noise impact on Boise and surrounding communities would be minimal.</p>
<p>The Air Force has not conducted studies yet for many reasons, they are not trying to hide anything.  The Air Force has not brought the F-35 to Boise to see how it would impact the population because the F-35 is currently in its development and flight test phase.  I would imagine that no spare air frames are available for such a mission.  The F-35 has not yet reached production, has not been introduced into active service, and the Air Force has not reached the point of deciding where all of the F-35 training bases will be.  When the time comes for deciding if the F-35 will have a training base in Boise, the Air Force and Ada county will conduct all the necessary surveys, including noise impact on the surrounding community.</p>
<p>Also, I tend to be left of center on most issues and pretty liberal on certain issues.  Return of the Commie Fighters statements are certainly not characteristic of the liberal mindset, although much of this post was directed at him.</p>
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		By: V. Patterson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V. Patterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Boise Airport has a handout that shows a &quot;footprint&quot; that includes the airport as well as the surrounding area that is designated as &quot;not suitable for residential use&quot;. However, it only shows the perpendicular roads such as Cole Road and Broadway. No cross streets are shown and according to Matt Petaja,Deputy Director of the airport, there is no map to show which streets these are and how far out the lines go.  The public has the right to see  if their homes fall within the &quot;not suitable for residential use&quot;. Why hasn&#039;t the Air Force developed a map?  What are they trying to hide? How can an educated decision be made with no idea how much of the population will be affected.  Why won&#039;t the air force agree to bring a F35 to  Boise and fly it for a week? Let them prove the F35 won&#039;t have an extremely negative affect on thousands of citizens, schools, sports,entertainment etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Boise Airport has a handout that shows a &#8220;footprint&#8221; that includes the airport as well as the surrounding area that is designated as &#8220;not suitable for residential use&#8221;. However, it only shows the perpendicular roads such as Cole Road and Broadway. No cross streets are shown and according to Matt Petaja,Deputy Director of the airport, there is no map to show which streets these are and how far out the lines go.  The public has the right to see  if their homes fall within the &#8220;not suitable for residential use&#8221;. Why hasn&#8217;t the Air Force developed a map?  What are they trying to hide? How can an educated decision be made with no idea how much of the population will be affected.  Why won&#8217;t the air force agree to bring a F35 to  Boise and fly it for a week? Let them prove the F35 won&#8217;t have an extremely negative affect on thousands of citizens, schools, sports,entertainment etc.</p>
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		By: Grace		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Return, you are killing me. Your comments are //Derived from: Multiple wikipedia articles. You should have a job in Homeland Security. You&#039;re the Man.

Bronco 93, glad to see someone making comments out of sheer common sense. I totally agree. The Double Ugly was a loud jet. So Bring it on F-35 I love me some JET NOISE!

And finally to Jimtheafl, congratualtions. You are now &quot;That Guy.&quot; The one that has to pronounce his &quot;I&#039;m liberal but still pro-military&quot; stature by saying &quot;I am related to people that are in the military.&quot; Go get one of those cute bumper stickers that say &#039;Proud grandfather/uncle of people in the Army.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Return, you are killing me. Your comments are //Derived from: Multiple wikipedia articles. You should have a job in Homeland Security. You&#8217;re the Man.</p>
<p>Bronco 93, glad to see someone making comments out of sheer common sense. I totally agree. The Double Ugly was a loud jet. So Bring it on F-35 I love me some JET NOISE!</p>
<p>And finally to Jimtheafl, congratualtions. You are now &#8220;That Guy.&#8221; The one that has to pronounce his &#8220;I&#8217;m liberal but still pro-military&#8221; stature by saying &#8220;I am related to people that are in the military.&#8221; Go get one of those cute bumper stickers that say &#8216;Proud grandfather/uncle of people in the Army.&#8217;</p>
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		By: Concern_in_Boise		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just heard about the F-35&#039;s on Fox12.  I am still in a sigh of relief that the F-15’s are gone.  I work from home and spend a majority of my day on work phone calls.  The normal hum and drum of the airport is not a hindrance, but this last summer when the F-15’s were in town was difficult for me.  Due to the noise I would have to explain to clients that the Oregon Air Force was in town for the summer and try to avoid taking any phone calls during many loud periods of the day.  The F15’s were so loud that many times I would have to end calls and call clients back after the noise had subdued.  

Now, Fox12 reports that the F-35’s are twice as loud!!! According to AirForceTimes.com ( http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/10/airforce_f35_basing_102608/ ), the F-35 is even louder coming in for a landing, and is Four times as loud as the F15C when it lands!!!   I did not voice my concerns before, because I thought the F-15’s and noise would leave in the fall and not return.  Myself, and others who telecommute or run businesses from home or commercial zoned areas in South Boise will be impacted by the noise produced by these aircraft.  I am afraid that I will have to move if the F-35’s come to Boise.  I hope the F-35’s don’t force me and others to resort to moving and take monetary losses in this bad housing market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard about the F-35&#8217;s on Fox12.  I am still in a sigh of relief that the F-15’s are gone.  I work from home and spend a majority of my day on work phone calls.  The normal hum and drum of the airport is not a hindrance, but this last summer when the F-15’s were in town was difficult for me.  Due to the noise I would have to explain to clients that the Oregon Air Force was in town for the summer and try to avoid taking any phone calls during many loud periods of the day.  The F15’s were so loud that many times I would have to end calls and call clients back after the noise had subdued.  </p>
<p>Now, Fox12 reports that the F-35’s are twice as loud!!! According to AirForceTimes.com ( <a href="http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/10/airforce_f35_basing_102608/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/10/airforce_f35_basing_102608/</a> ), the F-35 is even louder coming in for a landing, and is Four times as loud as the F15C when it lands!!!   I did not voice my concerns before, because I thought the F-15’s and noise would leave in the fall and not return.  Myself, and others who telecommute or run businesses from home or commercial zoned areas in South Boise will be impacted by the noise produced by these aircraft.  I am afraid that I will have to move if the F-35’s come to Boise.  I hope the F-35’s don’t force me and others to resort to moving and take monetary losses in this bad housing market.</p>
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		By: jimtheafl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bronco 93, what the hell does being a liberal have to do with supporting a military program. Your statement is stupid.  Currently I have a granddaughter and a nephew in the U.S. Army. You might as well be a vandal and by the way my other handle is solidbsu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bronco 93, what the hell does being a liberal have to do with supporting a military program. Your statement is stupid.  Currently I have a granddaughter and a nephew in the U.S. Army. You might as well be a vandal and by the way my other handle is solidbsu.</p>
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		By: Casual Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Casual Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Return has a point.  For all the armament we threw at the Iraqis, the single most effective thing we did was the Surge.  Not the surge in manpower, but rather the surge in dollar bills we paid the insurgents to quit shooting at us. 

 Instead of dropping a $150 Million a pop for the f35, we could take the amount of money that about three or four of the plane&#039;s cost and more effectively buy about 3 years of peace in Afghanistan.  That would also avoid all the dead innocent civilians that motivate ever more al Quaeda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Return has a point.  For all the armament we threw at the Iraqis, the single most effective thing we did was the Surge.  Not the surge in manpower, but rather the surge in dollar bills we paid the insurgents to quit shooting at us. </p>
<p> Instead of dropping a $150 Million a pop for the f35, we could take the amount of money that about three or four of the plane&#8217;s cost and more effectively buy about 3 years of peace in Afghanistan.  That would also avoid all the dead innocent civilians that motivate ever more al Quaeda.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stand corrected Return. You are that crazy!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected Return. You are that crazy!!</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The US Military is something Idaho and Idahoans alike should be proud to support. I grew up around bases my whole life (outside of Idaho) and within a mile of the Blue Angels--they practiced regularly above our home and my schools. It was neither intrusive nor some horrible noise going on all day, every day. I find lawn mowers and those gas-powered scooters kids ride louder in a quiet neighborhood than jets.
The F-35 will not only bring military, it will bring civilian jobs as well.  All of those people will buy our products, buy homes and contribute to the tax base.
Sometimes we must look beyond our own ears to see the benefit to our economy, employment, military and Idaho.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Military is something Idaho and Idahoans alike should be proud to support. I grew up around bases my whole life (outside of Idaho) and within a mile of the Blue Angels&#8211;they practiced regularly above our home and my schools. It was neither intrusive nor some horrible noise going on all day, every day. I find lawn mowers and those gas-powered scooters kids ride louder in a quiet neighborhood than jets.<br />
The F-35 will not only bring military, it will bring civilian jobs as well.  All of those people will buy our products, buy homes and contribute to the tax base.<br />
Sometimes we must look beyond our own ears to see the benefit to our economy, employment, military and Idaho.</p>
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